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I agree with everything you said until the last paragraph. The post-Brennan intel community was not merely worthless. It was malevolent by design to the people of the nation it existed to protect. All the informational weapons developed over decades were turned against American citizens. The IC fomented a color revolution for medical imperialism that largely succeeded in holding power for almost two years.

The IC acted deliberately and with premeditation to try and nullify the Bill of Rights. I hope that they are not allowed to escape to Argentina like so many Nazi leaders did. They should be pursued with the determination that the Mossad had for Eichmann, Barbie, Demyanyuk, and most aptly for the Nazi analogy, the one that got away, Mengele.

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Completely agree. Was being perhaps too generous. But the intel group malevolence and partisanship hold the key to 2020 getting out of hand. The 20th C United States would have known the score before summer.

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Did you know that USAID, using YOUR tax dollars, funded bioweapon research, including COVID-19, that killed millions of people? https://t.co/YVwyKA7ifs

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 2, 2025

5-YEAR UPDATE:

With a DOGE audit of the US Treasury underway, the richest and 2nd most influential man on the planet goes hard in the paint on covid.

The facts and circumstances surrounding covid may well be the most bitter pill in all of human history.

The more you look back on it 5-years removed, the more it shocks the conscience.

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Indeed.

A couple of things to try to remember about the start before various `sides' set.

1) You have a series of scary videos out of China implying a "drop dead" level of virus had gotten loose. Reports of locking down the country and these circulating. Vidoes and testimony, and not being denied much or pushed back against by our intel.

2) A CIA or intel services worth the name (17 obviously still wasn't) would have been able to clarify pretty quickly from inside China whether these were genuine or a hoax. They never did.

3) When it came to Italy and then America, the reaction was the lock-down response -- because though few would say it aloud, the fear was that it was a lethal bio-weapon loosed (accidentally?) from a lab even as others were saying it has properties like the flu. Then you had the group trying to pin it on bats.

4) The upshot was that for a period of time from mid-March, there was genuine broad concern and reaction. But even then President Trump said he wanted things re-opened by Easter. That's an important benchmark to remember. However, unknowingly, he had been led to appoint in charge insiders to the GOF research behind such things.

5) Indeed, certain red states like GA, FL and TX re-opened fairly quickly at state level --but blue cities carried the MSN-Dem desire to stay lockdown (Jenkins in Dallas defied Abbott and had to be ignored locally for example).and solid blue states like Michigan became as tyrannical as Australia.

6) From mid-May 2020 onward it was pretty much a political football shrouded in a blizzard of lies as the MSM sought to undermine trump with it in apparent coordination with the DNC.

7) The give away was the "FLoydd summer" where the MSM and Democratic Party greenlighted destructive anti-American riots and anti-police demos even while demanding everyone else stay locked down.

Basically any truth of the matter was dead after May 2020 and things split along partisan lines as the globalists sougth to implement the usual "never let a crisis go to waste".

But it is that start that people forget. The terrified uncertainty. And few thought we had already reached a point where the entire government would lie to its President's admin and fail to report the truth about the nature and origin of something. The post-Brennan intel era was worthless. The 20th C American intel and especially Cold War and WW II would have known fairly quickly the truth.

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Texas didn't open fairly quickly. It was masks on, 50% capacity in restaurants, and the closure of small businesses while big businesses stayed open for months. Abbott crushed small business and acted as dictator until the legislature reconvened and he had to answer to someone.

Also, Jenkins didn't defy Abbott, he used the power granted him to jail business owners under Abbott's EO. Abbott then backtracked after public backlash.

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Texas was re-opening in May as headed into Memorial Day. Remember that vividly. Not every place did, but you could get out and go again. And Abott issued a directive that allowed conditions to be open that a local business here even displayed the sign during a time when saying "they are obeying this, not Jenkins" to stay open. I will see if can find the wording. I snapped it at the time as are wont to do with some events.

But the above is not intended to outline everything that happened- --its to remind people that for a time, roughly February-early April, we didn't know for sure how immediately deadly or not or how containable this was----though you had various internet sites and stalwarts like BigRob saying `just the flue, or weak virus' very early. But we lacked any explicit declaration the Chinese reports and videos were false---the intel failure of the Brennan era actually greater than 9/11 because it persisted.

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Businesses were forced to comply with mask mandates until July. Restaurants were limited to 50% capacity, permanently closing many of them. We knew it was nothing from the start, and Abbott certainly had more knowledge than a bunch of conspiracy theorists, who were right the whole time, so he was complicit and formed a team of 'business leaders' to decide when to open instead of convening our elected representatives. He ruled with complete authority with EOs and he should pay for what he did.

Just checked. Memory was correct. Was able to go get fast food again and go into restaurants on limited basis even by mid-May. On Memorial Day, media coverage (snapped) was going on about Biden's "you ain't black" and that some states beaches were re-opened but New York in particular was going to enforce and forcibly remove swimmers from beaches. If recall correctly it was not DeSantis FL but GA that re-opened as state first but FL was right behind and TX was during the Floydd riots because the contrast with the blue states was in the air. The notice recalled said "We are open. Dining is open at limited capacity as directed by Governor Abbot.This establishment will not abide by local policies (jenkins) that would violate civil liberties." And that was great because it was an important pizza joint go to, haha. Then at the end of the month, shades of the glory of the more distant future, you have Elon Musk's SpaceX/NASA combined launch.

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Businesses were forced to comply with mask mandates until July. Restaurants were limited to 50% capacity, permanently closing many of them. We knew it was nothing from the start, and Abbott certainly had more knowledge than a bunch of conspiracy theorists, who were right the whole time, so he was complicit and formed a team of 'business leaders' to decide when to open instead of convening our elected representatives. He ruled with complete authority with EOs and he should pay for what he did.

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The bold is where disagree much with the so-called purists on this matter. I DO NOT believe Abbott "genuinely" knew anything more than Trump did -- that is the whole point of the intelligence services lying and foisting this confusion that Ulysses90 outlined.There was a concerted effort to conceal the facts from pro-American members of the Trump admin including himself, as well as the public. Yes many on this board "knew better" and turned out right, but have no reason to believe Abbott was operating with some kind of special clear-cut view of it much different from Trump's. Everyone was being misled. The only ones `right' were like what you describe -- but that is because they were plugged into such. Because of the intel and media failure no one KNEW it was `nothing from the start' --- not in a proven way. It all depended on one's convictions and who listening to.

As far as experienced, which is what matters, Texas was open more or less going into June. Went to eye appointment on June 11th.

This was the real problem, like you outlined, so it accurately recalls things partial open again.

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Should Abbott have opened fully sooner? Probably. Did he have special knowledge to know? Very doubtful. But yes, we had businesses lost that way too. It was horrible. This is on the intel agencies---if it had been affirmed `its a flu' everything could have reopened faster. But the MSM and DNC which effectively ran the govt from Floyd riots through the rickety election did not want that.

It's a fact that in May 2020 and later into the summer TP&W and in connection with counties closed boat ramps in and around Austin and on Lake Travis, and marine patrol was harassing people rafted up in the lake trying to enjoy their weekend. Also a fact that someone was arrested for fishing alone in the middle of the Colorado river. Absolutely egregious that people were arrested in Texas for lawful use of state owned land. The reaction from state leadership who hold the peoples' civil liberties in trust was unconscionable.

Abbott most certainly did know better than to lock down the state. For one, it was blatantly unconstitutional, but that is the first reaction of a tyrant. I have a good friend who was one of the first people to treat COVID patients. He went to San Antonio to work with the passengers from the Galveston cruise ship infected with COVID. The patients were walking around and had no major symptoms. He went back home and said there's nothing to worry about. Sadly, the media propaganda put everyone in a tizzy and the world shut down. You can't tell me Abbott didn't know COVID was nothing at the time.

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Abbott most certainly did know better than to lock down the state. For one, it was blatantly unconstitutional, but that is the first reaction of a tyrant. I have a good friend who was one of the first people to treat COVID patients. He went to San Antonio to work with the passengers from the Galveston cruise ship infected with COVID. The patients were walking around and had no major symptoms. He went back home and said there's nothing to worry about. Sadly, the media propaganda put everyone in a tizzy and the world shut down. You can't tell me Abbott didn't know COVID was nothing at the time.

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The bold is a negative. But tends to support that he believed the more severe versions of it feared behind scenes -- a deadly bio-weapon that had to be arrested. It points that way -- not toward the `knew it was nothing' But we just need to agree to disagree. It requires believing Abbott has the malice of the Bidens and just simply do not at this time. Nothing to argue about, because the premise that he knew `it was nothing' in spring is key here, and we do not agree on that.

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Abbott most certainly did know better than to lock down the state.

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On March 23, 2020 when we locked down? (Took place at midnight) At the time projected to last till April 3rd.

Abbott's main failure is not re-opening faster it seems --- in March the whole nation believe it a threat.

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Abbott most certainly did know better than to lock down the state.

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On March 23, 2020 when we locked down? (Took place at midnight) At the time projected to last till April 3rd.

Abbott's main failure is not re-opening faster it seems --- in March the whole nation believe it a threat.

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He didn't have the right to lock down the economy. It's blatantly unconstitutional regardless of what he believed. He should be in prison for that. And the whole nation did not believe it was a threat. The ones with common sense knew it was bogus.

**** China and the China Virus

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Abbott most certainly did know better than to lock down the state.

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On March 23, 2020 when we locked down? (Took place at midnight) At the time projected to last till April 3rd.

Abbott's main failure is not re-opening faster it seems --- in March the whole nation believe it a threat.

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He didn't have the right to lock down the economy. It's blatantly unconstitutional regardless of what he believed. He should be in prison for that. And the whole nation did not believe it was a threat. The ones with common sense knew it was bogus.

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I am not talking about those plugged into various internet clues and follows like even this board. Most of the decision makers starting with the National Emergency declaration on March 13 believed it was a threat. We have leaned they were being lied to, but from a civilian in the streets perspective the natural assumption was the government would know if it was a bio-weapon or very dangerous or not. They and Europe were acting like it was. Trump was heavily slammed for saying he wanted things re-opened by Easter. It is simply not correct to say it was not seen as a threat generally in the spring. The thaw begins with GA and FL. Even DeSantis didn't at once 180. The legal right is another matter and air-tight complaint. But the sense of threat at that stage was not as light as it would be by June and the riots.

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**** China and the China Virus

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And USAid/Ecohealth/Fauci.

Did you know that USAID, using YOUR tax dollars, funded bioweapon research, including COVID-19, that killed millions of people? https://t.co/YVwyKA7ifs

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) February 2, 2025

.@ElonMusk says, "NIAID is Evil"!!

And is Out there standing up for what's right.@RandPaul asks Samantha Power:

"Did USAID Fund Coronavirus Research In Wuhan China?"

"Should we be funding the Academy of Military Medical Research in China? ...Some of the research proposals… pic.twitter.com/Atdy1WEs2X

— Rand Paul Review (@RandPaulReview) February 2, 2025

BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

The federal government is a cancer. It infects everything and grows.

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BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

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Now you are making if February implying President Trump himself had to know and was making it all up. (Emergency declared March 13) Like said before, we do not agree.

And its very easy to believe an individual with diligence and perhaps unofficial sources can know more, because their mind is more open or they consult a wider range. To imply there was all this medical clarity in February and March is just crazy because it was found generally only in places like this board. And in February even here that wasn't clear-cut.

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BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

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Your take is absurd. The worldwide medical community (local, state, federal and the WHO) declared COVID was a pandemic and "lockdowns" were recommended. It was WAY too early for anyone, especially a non medically trained governor, to challenge St. Fauci and the MSM while they were gleefully counting the bodies and spreading panic.

Agreed that as much as I hate what happened, I don't blame abbott or desantis for originally shutting down for 2 weeks. Again, in hindsight, it should have never happened. But in real time, we can pretend we knew what it was, but that's just an absolute guess. I do blame anything beyond the 2 weeks, the mask nonsense, and 50% capacity. All that makes me irate. To gather intel for 2 weeks, if that's all it truly was, would not have killed the economy. But the issue is, and learned wisely, once you give the government an inch, they take a mile, and it takes months, years, and possibly never, to get that inch back.

That said, I do remember being back in the office March 24th on the loophole of being an essential employee, and back on the golf course Wednesday, April 1st.

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BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

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Your take is absurd. The worldwide medical community (local, state, federal and the WHO) declared COVID was a pandemic and "lockdowns" were recommended. It was WAY too early for anyone, especially a non medically trained governor, to challenge St. Fauci and the MSM while they were gleefully counting the bodies and spreading panic.

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They were all in on it. As soon as they said we needed to shut down, it was obvious. You NEVER shut down the complete economy. The idea is absurd, and we've seen the consequences that we'll be dealing with for years. As I'm sure you'll recall, doctors were immediately censored and punished for sharing symptoms, treatments such as budesonide, etc. Those clues and more gave it away.

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BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

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Your take is absurd. The worldwide medical community (local, state, federal and the WHO) declared COVID was a pandemic and "lockdowns" were recommended. It was WAY too early for anyone, especially a non medically trained governor, to challenge St. Fauci and the MSM while they were gleefully counting the bodies and spreading panic.

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Abbott chose his political future over doing what was best for his constituents. That is being a selfish coward not a leader. I don't get the goaltending for him. It isn't like he has implemented any good policies in his entire tenure. Just big talk and sweetheart big company deals (cough bureaucrat cough)

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BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

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Your take is absurd. The worldwide medical community (local, state, federal and the WHO) declared COVID was a pandemic and "lockdowns" were recommended. It was WAY too early for anyone, especially a non medically trained governor, to challenge St. Fauci and the MSM while they were gleefully counting the bodies and spreading panic.

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They were all in on it. As soon as they said we needed to shut down, it was obvious. You NEVER shut down the complete economy. The idea is absurd, and we've seen the consequences that we'll be dealing with for years. As I'm sure you'll recall, doctors were immediately censored and punished for sharing symptoms, treatments such as budesonide, etc. Those clues and more gave it away.

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I agree it was totally unnecessary and caused lasting harm. The entire economy was not shut down. I never missed a day of work and our business continued as normal. I completely disagree that it was a conspiratorial power grab. What power or benefit did Abbot gain from the partial lockdown?

I would argue Abbott and most public officials acted more out of fear than any thirst for power. They are beholden to public opinion and at the time most people were scared.

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BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

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Your take is absurd. The worldwide medical community (local, state, federal and the WHO) declared COVID was a pandemic and "lockdowns" were recommended. It was WAY too early for anyone, especially a non medically trained governor, to challenge St. Fauci and the MSM while they were gleefully counting the bodies and spreading panic.

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Abbott chose his political future over doing what was best for his constituents. That is being a selfish coward not a leader. I don't get the goaltending for him. It isn't like he has implemented any good policies in his entire tenure. Just big talk and sweetheart big company deals (cough bureaucrat cough)

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I'm not goaltending for Abbott. I think he is an ok governor. Bussing illegals to blue cities was f'ing genius and created a winning issue for Trump and Republicans.

Faulting Abbott for going along with almost every other governor in the US and not bucking medical authorities seems unfair.

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BS. If I knew by February based on information from a friend, how does Abbott not have that same or better information when it's an hour from the capital? He knew, but loves power.

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Your take is absurd. The worldwide medical community (local, state, federal and the WHO) declared COVID was a pandemic and "lockdowns" were recommended. It was WAY too early for anyone, especially a non medically trained governor, to challenge St. Fauci and the MSM while they were gleefully counting the bodies and spreading panic.

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They were all in on it. As soon as they said we needed to shut down, it was obvious. You NEVER shut down the complete economy. The idea is absurd, and we've seen the consequences that we'll be dealing with for years. As I'm sure you'll recall, doctors were immediately censored and punished for sharing symptoms, treatments such as budesonide, etc. Those clues and more gave it away.

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I agree it was totally unnecessary and caused lasting harm. The entire economy was not shut down. I never missed a day of work and our business continued as normal. I completely disagree that it was a conspiratorial power grab. What power or benefit did Abbot gain from the partial lockdown?

I would argue Abbott and most public officials acted more out of fear than any thirst for power. They are beholden to public opinion and at the time most people were scared.

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Then why didn't he convene a special Session of the legislature to determine when to open rather than his personally elected team? He ruled by Executive Order for a year with no checks in place after unconstitutionally shutting down the state. He signed an EO mandating a shutdown with a penalty of jail before backtracking after a Democratic judge took him up on it. He closed churches with his EO, violating our 1st Amendment right to assemble and right to worship. He was wrong from the start and kept compounding it for nearly a year.

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It's a fact that in May 2020 and later into the summer TP&W and in connection with counties closed boat ramps in and around Austin and on Lake Travis, and marine patrol was harassing people rafted up in the lake trying to enjoy their weekend. Also a fact that someone was arrested for fishing alone in the middle of the Colorado river. Absolutely egregious that people were arrested in Texas for lawful use of state owned land. The reaction from state leadership who hold the peoples' civil liberties in trust was unconscionable.

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I was between homes with a move from La to Texas (right across line and had to sneak into Texas on backroads because the ridiculous ban on La residents being quarantined from Texas - dumbest **** ever.


And then got a warning ticket turkey hunting in Ar when we crossed wma border in buffalo national river corridor which was shut down by feds. No known people within a mile but entire wilderness area shut down - the level of stupidity was through the roof

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It's the flu. Know how many people died of the flu in the US last year; About 56,000... This is nothing. Just fear mongering.

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Incredible post from page one.

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It's the flu. Know how many people died of the flu in the US last year; About 56,000... This is nothing. Just fear mongering.

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Incredible post from page one.

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Technically it was a bio-engineered weapon created in a lab that once released stopped global trade and locked down 8 billion people for a couple weeks and was funded by a corrupt POS who just got a blanket pardon.....

But if you want to call it a flu, go ahead.....

Let me get this straight. Fauci’s NIAID and @USAID sent over $40M in U.S. taxpayer “support” to a scientist in Wuhan who was working on “bat coronavirus emergence” research, who also became “patient zero” for COVID-19?

And the completion date for that funding was … in 2019???… pic.twitter.com/FJF92pcmp1

— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) February 3, 2025

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It's the flu. Know how many people died of the flu in the US last year; About 56,000... This is nothing. Just fear mongering.

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Incredible post from page one.

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Technically it was a bio-engineered weapon created in a lab that once released stopped global trade and locked down 8 billion people for a couple weeks and was funded by a corrupt POS who just got a blanket pardon.....

But if you want to call it a flu, go ahead.....

Let me get this straight. Fauci’s NIAID and @USAID sent over $40M in U.S. taxpayer “support” to a scientist in Wuhan who was working on “bat coronavirus emergence” research, who also became “patient zero” for COVID-19?

And the completion date for that funding was … in 2019???… pic.twitter.com/FJF92pcmp1

— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) February 3, 2025

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Is this saying that in a way it was more our Left's and deep state's doing than China's? Of course this just confirms the impression and recall it was feared as a bio-weapon or oddly upgraded coronovirus (hence its name) in March and April and not scoffed at.

This is why that POS Fauci was pardoned... we deserve justice and I hope we get it - even if it means extraditing him to Russia.

The thing that the Old European oligarchs and WEF are fantastic at doing, is pitting one tribe against another tribe (aka dividing and conquering). The British ruled the world doing so.


IF we are going down that path, the release of the virus from that lab was clearly intended at causing a riff between the US and China while they sit back and control levers behind the scenes.

Who knows....maybe it was Moon nazis?


But it sure is starting to look like our friends in the US deep state had a hand in all of it. Or at least thats what the current narrative is being directed towards....

That sounds all too plausible. Of course the more it is done by entities at our side of the ocean's behest, the more valid and possible that it was indeed timed to sabotage Trump's 2020 re-election.

When you go back and recreate the timeline associated with all this, the fact is that even months into the whole pandemic information was still being tossed around about IFR (death probability once infected) in the 2-3%, or some fear mongering about even double digits %.

Ultimately even for unvaccinated populations over the age of 60 the real rate turned out to be less than 1% and not very different from the common flu - - and that is both an indictment of our entire "scientific" community and also points to intentionality in terms of misleading the world about this illness for ulterior motives (which carried on for years and cost the world trillions).

We had the necessary sample size of infections and recovery to calculate the real numbers before the end of March 2020 when lock downs really started. Everyone who actively stood in the way of gathering that real information, whether by negligence or by direct action or by misleading folks away from the truth (such as the lab coverup), should be stripped of credentials permanently, should be publicly shamed and in many cases should spend time in prison.

At an absolute minimum - no one should ever listen to them or take them seriously again.

They have shattered my faith in them and I am beyond skeptical now of any recommendations around new "vaccines" and prescriptions. I'm sure there will be many folks including myself who will forgo possible treatments because you can't trust their guidance anymore. Tragic outcome of the lies and misinformation

The problem is the nebulous "they." If you can't name names and force removal: the expectation that "they" still practice medicine means the wise man simply becomes more skeptical of the whole system.

MUST READ! The below quote is a snip. Read the whole thing.

USAID is a CIA cutout that provides cover to clandestine operations.

Its most notable – and catastrophic – operation was likely an attempt to infiltrate the Wuhan Institute of Virology, an effort that may have resulted in the pandemic. Here's how this works.

In 2014, USAID… pic.twitter.com/GSDjaByS0i

— Ashley Rindsberg (@AshleyRindsberg) February 3, 2025

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USAID is a CIA cutout that provides cover to clandestine operations.

Its most notable and catastrophic operation was likely an attempt to infiltrate the Wuhan Institute of Virology, an effort that may have resulted in the pandemic. Here's how this works.

In 2014, USAID worked with the CIA to create a Cuban version of Twitter called ZunZeneo. The idea was to build a platform that could be used against the Castro regime, one of the few cases where direct collaboration between USAID and CIA were exposed.

To actually build ZunZeneo, USAID hired Creative Associates Network, a company whose global advisory board includes Andrew Natsios, the former USAID admnistrator tapped by George W. Bush around 2004 to reshape USAID in light of a slate of new global security considereations.

At that time, George Bush and Dick Cheney were reconstituting US biodefense capabilities.This was right after 9/11 was punctuated, in the most gruesome way, by the anthrax attacks. Cheney was already alarmed by the idea that bioweapons could be used against America by state or non-state actors.

Biodefense spending ramped up by orders of magnitude. But a big part of this restructuring was the decision to bring biodefense under a single command headed by... (you guessed it!)... Anthony Fauci.

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