Chance Chase McMasters said:

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I support Justin Amash and other liberty minded conservatives. I also support him in this endeavor. Getting a corrupt lying charlatan out of the WH.

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Justin Amash, liberty conservative. L O L

Chance Chase McMasters said:

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I support Justin Amash and other liberty minded conservatives. I also support him in this endeavor. Getting a corrupt lying charlatan out of the WH.

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I picture you doing this when that doesn't happen.

Chance Chase McMasters said:

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aggieforester05 said:

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Chance Chase McMasters said:

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I support Justin Amash and other liberty minded conservatives. I also support him in this endeavor. Getting a corrupt lying charlatan out of the WH.

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This is a lie, if you support these narratives and relentlessly post their propaganda, you support the Democrats on this issue. You've chosen evil, own it!

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Take a deep breath homie. You're taking this way too seriously.

I support rule of law and uncovering the truth. The democrats are right on this issue, so is Amash. I support them on this only.

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Don't talk him like that. You can't leave a bag of flaming dog **** on somebody's front porch and NOT expect two barrels of rock salt.

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Oh, think see the distinction you are trying to make. For something to be unconstitutional doesn't require that it also be a crime.

It just is ruled unconstitutional ---not necessarily unlawful. This in the sense it is not about law but limits. Is that it?

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It's even more fundamental than that. "A Law" has a definition. By definition, the constitution is not a law. Its two
different systems run and put into place by two different branches of government, voted on by two different groups, and governs two different groups.

Which is why chance is in a rhetorical pickle. Violating a law is a crime, by definition.
Violating the constitution is unconstitutional, by definition.

The other pickle he is in: Trump "violated" the constitution according to him. Fine but so has every president, and every congress, and every state since the founding. Which makes the grounds for removal look ****ing pathetic, which is why many constitutional scholars think there should be actual violations of laws and statutes. Even then it should be "high crimes" at the level of bribery or treason.

Giving away a state to another country probably would reach the level of treason, but is closer to sedition. But it's an extreme case he had to jump to, because the "violation of trust" amounts to not giving millions of dollars to a Historically corrupt country. WGAS. Obama droned American citizens fighting for ISIS. Who cares about a rounding error for Ukraine.

Sorry for bleeding all over this thread. But it's simple stuff.

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You don't sound like a constitutional lawyer. Here's the opinion of 500.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeltnietzel/2019/12/09/more-than-five-hundred-law-professors-write-a-letter-favoring-impeachment-what-effects-will-it-have/#4bd334cd37d9

Can you find one that says a statutory federal law must be violated in order for an impeachable offense to have been committed?

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These are not all law school professors, legal scholars, and certainly not constitutional law experts.

Even if they were all conlaw experts, what about everyone else? There are over 200 law schools in america. There are faculty with backgrounds in law at nearly all of the over 2,500 four year colleges in the U.S. There are nearly 800,000 college level faculty in the country.

Finding 500-1,000 college level faculty that hate trump enough to sign a letter is actually a failure. There are alot more than 500 college level faculty, just on law school campuses, that hate trump. Where are their names?

The data points you use to justify your case are just bizarre to me.

As someone that also desires to have a Trump presidency behind us as a nation. I'm dumbfounded by the lengths that people like you are willing to go to in damaging the republic in order to make it happen. Nothing trump has done or says is as dangerous to our nation as what the media, dems, GOP nevertrumpers, and counter-intellengence has engaged in to bring an end to this outsiders presidency.

Oopsies

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Oopsies

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Schiff mid characterizing evidence?
That's hard to believe! Not!

Chance Chase McMasters said:

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aggieforester05 said:

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Chance Chase McMasters said:

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I support Justin Amash and other liberty minded conservatives. I also support him in this endeavor. Getting a corrupt lying charlatan out of the WH.

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This is a lie, if you support these narratives and relentlessly post their propaganda, you support the Democrats on this issue. You've chosen evil, own it!

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Take a deep breath homie. You're taking this way too seriously.

I support rule of law and uncovering the truth. The democrats are right on this issue, so is Amash. I support them on this only.

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To take this a little further. You're in agreement with Democrats about a gotcha that Democrats think they have against Trump; albiet, most rational people realize it's BS and really just an excuse for an impeachment they've been promising since 2016. Assuming you are truly a conservative (which is very doubtful at this point), you can't see the forest for the trees. No one politician is ever going to totally conform to your personal ideology. In this battle of good (conservatives) vs evil (progressives) one must support (at least not aide the opposition) the leadership despite minor ideological differences while that/those leader(s) are in power. To do otherwise is to empower the opposition who is fighting on the side of evil. The time to choose leadership is during the primaries. Make no mistake about it, your current fight is in support of open borders, gun control, socialism, abortion, and high taxes. Basically everything that is the opposite of liberty and anti American. You've chosen evil!

BTW...I take morons stumping for Democrats that want to destroy my way of life, very seriously!

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Oopsies

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Schiff lie - the hell you say!

The animosity is almost pathological. From a results standpoint, it's sort of incomprehensible. There is much sanctimony about the means, without any regards for the ends actually achieved versus historical performance of more benign and traditional means.

Chance Chase McMasters said:

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The Constitution is law. The supreme law of the land.
Article VI Clause II

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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land

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The constitution is the governing document and frame work of the US Government, whose LAWS (and treaties) will be the supreme law of the land.

It's why the says Constitution and the Laws. They are two separate things.

Jesus you are dense.

Semantical argument, IMHO. Could be framed either way.

"A Law" has a definition. By definition, the constitution is not a law. Its two different systems run and put into place by two different branches of government, voted on by two different groups, and governs two different groups.

"Libertarian" in the way the agitator at the Virginia pro-2nd A rally trying to stir up stuff was.

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Chance Chase McMasters said:

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The Constitution is law. The supreme law of the land.
Article VI Clause II

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This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land

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The constitution is the governing document and frame work of the US Government, whose LAWS (and treaties) will be the supreme law of the land.

It's why the says Constitution and the Laws. They are two separate things.

Jesus you are dense.

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Cool. It's also the "Supreme Law of the Land" according to the Supreme Law of the Land. You lost again. Good night.

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I support Justin Amash and other liberty minded conservatives. I also support him in this endeavor. Getting a corrupt lying charlatan out of the WH.

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Justin Amash, liberty conservative. L O L

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Hello. Welcome to politics. L O L.


http://congress.freedomworks.org/legislators/justin-amash

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I-MI, 3rd District 2019 present
R-MI, 3rd District 2011 2019

Lifetime Score 99%

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An independent siding with the Democrat party is not on the side of liberty. Amash is wrong about this one.

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Chance Chase McMasters said:

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I support Justin Amash and other liberty minded conservatives. I also support him in this endeavor. Getting a corrupt lying charlatan out of the WH.

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This is a lie

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Citation needed.

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"A Law" has a definition. By definition, the constitution is not a law. Its two different systems run and put into place by two different branches of government, voted on by two different groups, and governs two different groups.

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STOP......in the name of the constitution!!!

Disagree. So does Amash.

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Just checking in. I see Gary has been getting his teeth kicked in all day.

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Yes and his latest whining point is "citation needed"

Claire McKaskell (sp) just said that it's hard for senators to sit there for such a long time, but it's not as hard as "kids being ripped from their parents and put in cages at the border"!

Oh, it's true. She said it on MSNBC!

aggieforester05 said:

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Chance Chase McMasters said:

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Chance Chase McMasters said:

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I support Justin Amash and other liberty minded conservatives. I also support him in this endeavor. Getting a corrupt lying charlatan out of the WH.

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Justin Amash, liberty conservative. L O L

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Hello. Welcome to politics. L O L.


http://congress.freedomworks.org/legislators/justin-amash

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Justin Amash
I-MI, 3rd District 2019 present
R-MI, 3rd District 2011 2019

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An independent siding with the Democrat party is not on the side of liberty. Amash is wrong about this one.

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Right. In this year, it is functionally a Democrat to do so. Same goes for those NeverTrumpers that talked about switching Democrat. Vote Libertarian if they wish to show disenchantment and don't parrot Dem arguments.

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Claire McKaskell (sp) just said that it''a hard for senators to sit there for such a long time, but it's not as hard as "kids being ripped from their parents and put in cages at the border"!

Oh, it's true. She said it on MSNBC!

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The ones that should be put in cages are on that broadcast.

FriscoKid said:

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Claire McKaskell (sp) just said that it's hard for senators to sit there for such a long time, but it's not as hard as "kids being ripped from their parents and put in cages at the border"!

Oh, it's true. She said it on MSNBC!

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I wish there was someone involved in every broadcast that asked these ****ing idiots why they allowed Obama to do the same thing when they bring up this BS point.

FriscoKid said:

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Claire McKaskell (sp) just said that it's hard for senators to sit there for such a long time, but it's not as hard as "kids being ripped from their parents and put in cages at the border"!

Oh, it's true. She said it on MSNBC!

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She must really hate Obama, who actually did this.

GCP12 beat me too it.

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FriscoKid said:

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Claire McKaskell (sp) just said that it's hard for senators to sit there for such a long time, but it's not as hard as "kids being ripped from their parents and put in cages at the border"!

Oh, it's true. She said it on MSNBC!

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I wish there was someone involved in every broadcast that asked these ****ing idiots why they allowed Obama to do the same thing when they bring up this BS point.

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Oh, I called the rib in for that one and her jaw dropped.