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Draft Mark Levin!

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I love Mark Levin but he talks so fast and has that accented, nasal voice that is a turnoff for a lot of people.

If he weren't so old, I'd like a guy like Jim Baker. (He's a Bush guy, I know but really a brilliant lawyer with a folksy easy to digest demeanor.)

I've about had it the "James Baker's" of the world. Bush's was the only one I like.

The damned FBI "James", and the DOD "Jim" don't do the name justice! Like the Dems suing the Iranians for use of the term "Death to 'America", the Bush James Baker should suit those two jackwagons because they've besmearched a decent name.

I guess Sidney Powell is a "no go"? Also wish it were Dershowitz but assume he'd decline, which leaves McCarthy as my 3rd choice.

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He intended to give it all along, after he got what he wanted personally

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Its such a pity that people with real first hand knowledge dispute this. Otherwise, you and old Schiff might have actually gotten some traction with your fairy tales

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Its such a pity that people with real first hand knowledge have testified it's true or are blocked from testifying.

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link?

Oops. These guys weren't trying very hard or were incompetent at keeping it on the DL.

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the first official OMB action to halt the aid coming on the evening of July 25 hours after President Trump's now-infamous phone call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

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After Democrats on the House and Senate Appropriations committees wrote OMB and the White House on Aug. 9 to warn that the move could be illegal, Duffey signed another letter allowing the release of 2 percent of the State Department funds each day, but the Defense Department money continued to withheld, the summary said.

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Ultimately, a few days after three House committees launched a wide-ranging investigation into the allegations that Trump, his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and possibly others tried to pressure the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Trump's political rivals, the State Department told Congress on Sept. 11 that it would release the remaining Ukraine aid, and Defense Department aid was finally released on Sept. 12, the summary said.

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/white-house-budget-office-formally-held-ukraine-aid-same-day-n1092031

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Its such a pity that people with real first hand knowledge have testified it's true or are blocked from testifying.

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He was destroyed in cross. You didn't watch it, did you?

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Its such a pity that people with real first hand knowledge have testified it's true or are blocked from testifying.

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He was destroyed in cross. You didn't watch it, did you?

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It would have shattered his world to do that.

Nothing Trump said after he got caught can be considered reliable.

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I recall in early September an email that attributed the hold to the President's concern about other countries not contributing more to Ukraine.

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"I want no quid pro quo. Nothing!" is not how people talk unprompted in normal conversation.

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Staff, including Mick Mulvaney, scrambled to justify the hold on nearly $400 million in aid in exchange for investigations.

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a confidential White House review of Trump's decision to put a hold on aid to Ukraine "has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate an after-the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether the delay was legal." In early August, for example, email exchanges show acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney asking acting Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought to provide an update on the legal rationale for holding up the aid and how much longer it could be delayed.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/11/white-house-emails-ukraine-aid

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Nothing Trump said after he got caught can be considered reliable.

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I recall in early September an email that attributed the hold to the President's concern about other countries not contributing more to Ukraine.

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"I want no quid pro quo. Nothing!" is not how people talk unprompted in normal conversation.

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Staff, including Mick Mulvaney, scrambled to justify the hold on nearly $400 million in aid in exchange for investigations.

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a confidential White House review of Trump's decision to put a hold on aid to Ukraine "has turned up hundreds of documents that reveal extensive efforts to generate an after-the-fact justification for the decision and a debate over whether the delay was legal." In early August, for example, email exchanges show acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney asking acting Office of Management and Budget director Russell Vought to provide an update on the legal rationale for holding up the aid and how much longer it could be delayed.

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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/11/white-house-emails-ukraine-aid

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He wasn't caught

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He was destroyed in cross.

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That's cute you think that.

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Nobody "on the planet" ever told him the aid was conditioned on anything. In fact, he was told the opposite by multiple people. He just presumed it was. These are facts

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He was destroyed in cross.

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That's cute you think that.

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Nobody "on the planet" ever told him the aid was conditioned on anything. In fact, he was told the opposite by multiple people. He just presumed it was. These are facts

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It's almost like he made it up.

Trump's own ambassadors and the Ukrainians knew there was a QPQ, whether it was implied, stated, relayed by Giuliani and Mulvaney, or however. It was directed by Trump and everyone knew it.

Sondland was witness to the scheme and it's laughable you would entertain that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Trump doesn't have to say the exact words "Gary, tell them it's a bribe". Let's see if a trial jogs his memory a little better though.

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He wasn't caught

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Sure Jan.

Just a big misunderstanding.

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He intended to give it all along, after he got what he wanted personally

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Its such a pity that people with real first hand knowledge dispute this. Otherwise, you and old Schiff might have actually gotten some traction with your fairy tales

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We've gone on a tangent but I'm trying to figure out who these "others" are? Trump said "no QPQ" after he got caught, but who else denied it?

It's simply ludicrous and not serious to think Trump's ambassadors and envoys cooked up this scheme on their own.

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Trump's own ambassadors and the Ukrainians knew there was a QPQ, whether it was implied, stated, relayed by Giuliani and Mulvaney, or however. It was directed by Trump and everyone knew it.

Sondland was witness to the scheme and it's laughable you would entertain that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Trump doesn't have to say the exact words "Gary, tell them it's a bribe". Let's see if a trial jogs his memory a little better though.

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Even if you could prove it was, why would it matter? That's the way all foreign policy is done and furthermore, you can not prove the intent was to influence the election instead of rooting out corruption. The latter of which is protected by treaty and a very noble cause.

Do you believe that the exact same circumstances would find a Democrat president in impeachment hearings (assume a Republican house)?

If you say anything other than no, then you're either a fool or a liar, probably both.

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Trump's own ambassadors and the Ukrainians knew there was a QPQ, whether it was implied, stated, relayed by Giuliani and Mulvaney, or however. It was directed by Trump and everyone knew it.

Sondland was witness to the scheme and it's laughable you would entertain that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Trump doesn't have to say the exact words "Gary, tell them it's a bribe". Let's see if a trial jogs his memory a little better though.

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Not sure why I'm engaging with you, but Sondland clearly stated several times it was all his presumption. He hadn't heard explicitly from anyone there was a quid pro quo. Again, he presumed it.

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Trump's own ambassadors and the Ukrainians knew there was a QPQ, whether it was implied, stated, relayed by Giuliani and Mulvaney, or however. It was directed by Trump and everyone knew it.

Sondland was witness to the scheme and it's laughable you would entertain that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Trump doesn't have to say the exact words "Gary, tell them it's a bribe". Let's see if a trial jogs his memory a little better though.

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This just doesn't line up with the testimony.

Because it was apparent to everyone involved, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, which is all you need for an indictment.

The "smoking gun", if you demand to see it, will come out in the trial.

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Gary Johnson said:

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Trump's own ambassadors and the Ukrainians knew there was a QPQ, whether it was implied, stated, relayed by Giuliani and Mulvaney, or however. It was directed by Trump and everyone knew it.

Sondland was witness to the scheme and it's laughable you would entertain that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Trump doesn't have to say the exact words "Gary, tell them it's a bribe". Let's see if a trial jogs his memory a little better though.

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Not sure why I'm engaging with you, but Sondland clearly stated several times it was all his presumption. He hadn't heard explicitly from anyone there was a quid pro quo. Again, he presumed it.

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Gary has an aversion to facts and testimony

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Because it was apparent to everyone involved, the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming, which is all you need for an indictment.

The "smoking gun", if you demand to see it, will come out in the trial.

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Go get your votes, then

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the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming

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This just flatly isn't true, no matter how many times you repeat it

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Trump's own ambassadors and the Ukrainians knew there was a QPQ, whether it was implied, stated, relayed by Giuliani and Mulvaney, or however. It was directed by Trump and everyone knew it.

Sondland was witness to the scheme and it's laughable you would entertain that it was just a big misunderstanding.

Trump doesn't have to say the exact words "Gary, tell them it's a bribe". Let's see if a trial jogs his memory a little better though.

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Not sure why I'm engaging with you, but Sondland clearly stated several times it was all his presumption. He hadn't heard explicitly from anyone there was a quid pro quo. Again, he presumed it.

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Gary has an aversion to facts and testimony

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Using Vanity Fair as a source is proof of that.

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He wasn't caught

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Sure Jan.

Just a big misunderstanding.

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Since you have decided to be the "Marcia" of this board, is it surprising that people dislike you for being vain, vacuous, ignorant and just as obnoxious as your chosen avatar, Marcia Brady?

Hey, you self identify as Marcia Brady in the late 60s and early 70s nothing wrong with that. Rock on Johnny Bravo!!

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This just doesn't line up with the testimony.

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Sondland told the Ukrainians in a meeting in Washington they wouldn't get the aid until they announced investigations.

This relates to the meeting, not the aid, but direct testimony to a QPQ has been established. And neither happened until they got caught.

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Sondland told the Ukrainians in a meeting in Washington they wouldn't get the aid until they announced investigations.

This relates to the meeting, not the aid, but direct testimony to a QPQ has been established.

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Then impeach Sondland. He did that according to you. Trump didn't.

They all went rogue? That's what you're betting on?

We all know what we're gonna find when the records get opened up. I'm surprised y'all are sticking with the "it didn't happen" defense. The "so what?, not a crime" defense would be an easier go.

Because as is, if it's proven, the denial reveals they knew it was illegal.

Please for the love of god grow into a grown man and stop being a wuss. The Spartans would have thrown you off a cliff.

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Please for the love of god grow into a grown man and stop being a wuss. The Spartans would have thrown you off a cliff.

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Dude he's like totally libertarian but only goal tends for liberals.

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This just doesn't line up with the testimony.

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Sondland told the Ukrainians in a meeting in Washington they wouldn't get the aid until they announced investigations.

This relates to the meeting, not the aid, but direct testimony to a QPQ has been established. And neither happened until they got caught.

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Ukrainians were not very good listeners/and or are liars, then

Nobody got caught except Schiff and his staff

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They all went rogue? That's what you're betting on?

We all know what we're gonna find when the records get opened up. I'm surprised y'all are sticking with the "it didn't happen" defense. The "so what?, not a crime" defense would be an easier go.

Because as is, if it's proven, the denial reveals they knew it was illegal.

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Sondland doesn't even know what day it is based on his testimony