hbtheduce said:
Except it's not because we privately and public pressure other countries in matters of criminal investigations ALL THE TIME
Joe ****ing Biden secretly pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor. Was it illegal because the Obama administration did it in secret?
Gary Johnson said:hbtheduce said:
Except it's not because we privately and public pressure other countries in matters of criminal investigations ALL THE TIME
Joe ****ing Biden secretly pressured Ukraine to fire a prosecutor. Was it illegal because the Obama administration did it in secret?
Be careful. Trump's official position is "he wants nothing", there is "no quid pro quo"!
Totally normal to talk this way unsolicited, after you got caught for doing nothing wrong.
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gobbledygook in Barr's essay is easy enough to do.
Gary Johnson said:
Presidents don't deliver policy objectives through subordinates? He knows to be careful on a recorded call, come on don't play dumb.
Sondland is a first hand account.
Noose is tightening.1872walker said:
Soooooo.....the walls are closing in?
Or they're all libs and this is just group think and assumptions.Chance Chase McMasters said:
If it's true that the ambassadors, NSC officials, and envoys were running a shadow campaign without Trump's knowledge I expect the White House to call for perjury or treason chargers against all 12 witnesses.
They're all telling the same story to implicate Trump, they must have conspired.
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American intelligence officials informed senators and their aides in recent weeks that Russia had engaged in a yearslong campaign to essentially frame Ukraine as responsible for Moscow's own hacking of the 2016 election, according to three American officials.
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The revelations demonstrate Russia's persistence in trying to sow discord among its adversaries and show that the Kremlin apparently succeeded, as unfounded claims about Ukrainian interference seeped into Republican talking points.
American intelligence agencies believe Moscow is likely to redouble its efforts as the 2020 presidential campaign intensifies. The classified briefing for senators also focused on Russia's evolving influence tactics, including its growing ability to better disguise operations.
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This time, Russian intelligence operatives deployed a network of agents to blame Ukraine for its 2016 interference.
Starting at least in 2017, the operatives peddled a mixture of now-debunked conspiracy theories along with established facts to leave an impression that the government in Kyiv, not Moscow, was responsible for the hackings of Democrats and its other interference efforts in 2016, senior intelligence officials said.
Hello, John Soloman, Sean Hannity, and RWM.Quote:
The Russian intelligence officers conveyed the information to prominent Russians and Ukrainians who then used a range of intermediaries, like oligarchs, businessmen and their associates, to pass the material to American political figures and even some journalists..
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That muddy brew worked its way into American information ecosystems, sloshing around until parts of it reached Mr. Trump, who has also spoken with Mr. Putin about allegations of Ukrainian interference. Mr. Trump also brought up the assertions of Ukrainian meddling in his July 25 call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, which is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry into whether he abused his power by asking for a public commitment to investigations he stood to gain from personally.
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Mr. Putin began publicly pushing false theories of Ukrainian interference in the early months of 2017 to deflect responsibility from Russia, said Senator Angus King, independent of Maine and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who declined to answer questions about the briefing.
This could get interestingaggiehawg said:
More than one way to skin a cat.
There has been no proof of a campaign, shadow or otherwiseChance Chase McMasters said:
If it's true that the ambassadors, NSC officials, and envoys were running a shadow campaign without Trump's knowledge I expect the White House to call for perjury or treason chargers against all 12 witnesses.
They're all telling the same story to implicate Trump, they must have conspired.
They wrote anti-Trump op-edsMetoliusAg said:
With the leak about Horowitz report findings + this report, today has been a rough day for the "Deep State Coup Thread" truthers. From the news wire today:Quote:
American intelligence officials informed senators and their aides in recent weeks that Russia had engaged in a yearslong campaign to essentially frame Ukraine as responsible for Moscow's own hacking of the 2016 election, according to three American officials.Quote:
The revelations demonstrate Russia's persistence in trying to sow discord among its adversaries and show that the Kremlin apparently succeeded, as unfounded claims about Ukrainian interference seeped into Republican talking points.
American intelligence agencies believe Moscow is likely to redouble its efforts as the 2020 presidential campaign intensifies. The classified briefing for senators also focused on Russia's evolving influence tactics, including its growing ability to better disguise operations.Quote:
This time, Russian intelligence operatives deployed a network of agents to blame Ukraine for its 2016 interference.
Starting at least in 2017, the operatives peddled a mixture of now-debunked conspiracy theories along with established facts to leave an impression that the government in Kyiv, not Moscow, was responsible for the hackings of Democrats and its other interference efforts in 2016, senior intelligence officials said.Hello, John Soloman, Sean Hannity, and RWM.Quote:
The Russian intelligence officers conveyed the information to prominent Russians and Ukrainians who then used a range of intermediaries, like oligarchs, businessmen and their associates, to pass the material to American political figures and even some journalists..Quote:
That muddy brew worked its way into American information ecosystems, sloshing around until parts of it reached Mr. Trump, who has also spoken with Mr. Putin about allegations of Ukrainian interference. Mr. Trump also brought up the assertions of Ukrainian meddling in his July 25 call with President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, which is at the heart of the impeachment inquiry into whether he abused his power by asking for a public commitment to investigations he stood to gain from personally.Quote:
Mr. Putin began publicly pushing false theories of Ukrainian interference in the early months of 2017 to deflect responsibility from Russia, said Senator Angus King, independent of Maine and a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who declined to answer questions about the briefing.
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That's why he desperately tries to defend them. Deep down...he knows they can't deliver. In the end, he will just disappear into his mommy's basement.Rockdoc said:
Those are crickets you're hearing etcetera. It's Friday evening, your boys have cratered, and you can't see it.
captkirk said:There has been no proof of a campaign, shadow or otherwiseChance Chase McMasters said:
If it's true that the ambassadors, NSC officials, and envoys were running a shadow campaign without Trump's knowledge I expect the White House to call for perjury or treason chargers against all 12 witnesses.
They're all telling the same story to implicate Trump, they must have conspired.
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They wrote anti-Trump op-eds
They gave Chalupa the phony black ledger
They were one of the sources for the phony Steele dossier
These are facts that are not in dispute
