Gary Johnson said:Quote:
Why would he? Its Schiff's job to get witnesses to testify. I'm starting to think you don't understand how this works
Give us a break with this. The dems would love to get those guys on the stand, Trump is obstructing. These are the first hand accounts and documents, let's see them.
What? Make up your mind. Do you want the docs and the testimony or not?Gary Johnson said:
Is it in anyone's interest for this to drag out for months? I don't think so.
I find it highly unlikely this would work otherwise a president could break any law and block investigation effectively putting himself above the law and above congressional check.
Pinche Abogado said:Give me your tax records. Show me your bank account. Give me your address.Gary Johnson said:Quote:
Why would he? Its Schiff's job to get witnesses to testify. I'm starting to think you don't understand how this works
Give us a break with this. The dems would love to get those guys on the stand, Trump is obstructing. These are the first hand accounts and documents, let's see them.
Gary Johnson said:
The call is a small piece of this. He was using Pompeo, Mulvaney, Sondland, and unofficial channels to deliver the message.
I finally blocked him this morning because he doesn't even try to engage in meaningful conversation...Rapier108 said:
It won't do any good. Even his blatant thread derailing is allowed.
Only Bill Taylor testified yesterday that he was among the U.S. representatives to meet in person with Zelensky three separate times following the call and these "unofficial channels" and the subject of the aid being withheld never came up. Taylor helpfully explained that for the first two meetings he was fairly confident that Zelensky did not know the aid was under a hold, so there was no reason for the subject to come up. LOL.Gary Johnson said:
The call is a small piece of this. He was using Pompeo, Mulvaney, Sondland, and unofficial channels to deliver the message.
aggiehawg said:Only Bill Taylor testified yesterday that he was among the U.S. representatives to meet in person with Zelensky three separate times following the call and these "unofficial channels" and the subject of the aid being withheld never came up. Taylor helpfully explained that for the first two meetings he was fairly confident that Zelensky did not know the aid was under a hold, so there was no reason for the subject to come up. LOL.Gary Johnson said:
The call is a small piece of this. He was using Pompeo, Mulvaney, Sondland, and unofficial channels to deliver the message.
Exactly...Taylor was at the meetings with Zelensky even after he allegedly assumed there was a QPQ...aggiehawg said:Only Bill Taylor testified yesterday that he was among the U.S. representatives to meet in person with Zelensky three separate times following the call and these "unofficial channels" and the subject of the aid being withheld never came up. Taylor helpfully explained that for the first two meetings he was fairly confident that Zelensky did not know the aid was under a hold, so there was no reason for the subject to come up. LOL.Gary Johnson said:
The call is a small piece of this. He was using Pompeo, Mulvaney, Sondland, and unofficial channels to deliver the message.
It is in the leftist interest to have this drag on until they can figure out the next strategy in the coup. My guess is they already have it waiting in the wings and it will involve something financial relating to Trump.Gary Johnson said:
Is it in anyone's interest for this to drag out for months? I don't think so.
I find it highly unlikely this would work otherwise a president could break any law and block investigation effectively putting himself above the law and above congressional check.
FireAg said:
Even if you (wrongly) assume that a QPQ is in fact an "abuse of power" by POTUS, doesn't the power actually have to be officially "abused" before you can call it a crime?
The Ukrainians were clueless, AND they received the money within the standard timeframe anyway, without doing anything for it...
Ergo, the power was never actually "abused" (even if you think this was an abuse of power which, in reality, it isn't)...
Italics added. That is what have been trying to tell them.Bo Darville said:MetoliusAg said:
The devolution of a political party.
This should tell you how far off the rails your socialist party has gone. We literally have no option but to support Trump in the face of a Warren or Sanders. (or the overall party agenda's next crop as well)
Remember, at the end of the day it's you and people like you that are responsible for Trump.
Indeed it is...but attempted murder still requires someone to take actions and for there to be results of some sort...FriscoKid said:FireAg said:
Even if you (wrongly) assume that a QPQ is in fact an "abuse of power" by POTUS, doesn't the power actually have to be officially "abused" before you can call it a crime?
The Ukrainians were clueless, AND they received the money within the standard timeframe anyway, without doing anything for it...
Ergo, the power was never actually "abused" (even if you think this was an abuse of power which, in reality, it isn't)...
We covered this yesterday. Attempted murder is a crime.
Holding American/Ukrainian foreign policy hostage for 2 months in exchange for personal gain is a crime.Quote:
Even if you (wrongly) assume that a QPQ is in fact an "abuse of power" by POTUS, doesn't the power actually have to be officially "abused" before you can call it a crime?
No they found out by early AugustQuote:
The Ukrainians were clueless,
They were making plans to deliver the goods to King Trump, because the message was received loud and clear.Quote:
AND they received the money within the standard timeframe anyway, without doing anything for it...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/world/europe/ukraine-trump-zelensky.htmlQuote:
In a flurry of WhatsApp messages and meetings in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, over several days, senior aides debated the point. Avoiding partisan politics in the United States had always been the first rule of Ukrainian foreign policy, but the military aid was vital to the war against Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, a conflict that has cost 13,000 lives since it began in 2014.
By then, however, Mr. Zelensky's staffers were already conceding to what seemed to be the inevitable, and making plans for a public announcement about the investigations.
Quote:
Word of the freeze in military aid had leaked out, and Congress was in an uproar. Two days before the scheduled interview, the Trump administration released the assistance and Mr. Zelensky's office quickly canceled the interview.
Dishonest or uninformed?hermione09 said:captkirk said:
Sorry guys. You've lost CNN
Sondland had direct contact with the president. He has already admitted to the fact that the president was saying 'no quid pro quo' while at the same time demanding a quid pro quo. He is scheduled to testify before the House Intelligence committee Nov. 20
Prove it. Do you think Zelinsky was lying?Gary Johnson said:
The call is a small piece of this. He was using Pompeo, Mulvaney, Sondland, and unofficial channels to deliver the message.
Troll sock account.captkirk said:Dishonest or uninformed?hermione09 said:captkirk said:
Sorry guys. You've lost CNN
Sondland had direct contact with the president. He has already admitted to the fact that the president was saying 'no quid pro quo' while at the same time demanding a quid pro quo. He is scheduled to testify before the House Intelligence committee Nov. 20
As a corollary, Pelosi was just on doing her weekly presser. She flat out accused Trump of bribery and then completely dismissed the notion that hearsay was inadmissible in court.FireAg said:
Even if you (wrongly) assume that a QPQ is in fact an "abuse of power" by POTUS, doesn't the power actually have to be officially "abused" before you can call it a crime?
The Ukrainians were clueless, AND they received the money within the standard timeframe anyway, without doing anything for it...
Ergo, the power was never actually "abused" (even if you think this was an abuse of power which, in reality, it isn't)...
Perhaps he didn't know on July 25th but that's besides the point. They figured it out by August.captkirk said:Prove it. Do you think Zelinsky was lying?Gary Johnson said:
The call is a small piece of this. He was using Pompeo, Mulvaney, Sondland, and unofficial channels to deliver the message.
How about a billion bucks in loan guarantees unless the prosecutor investigating Hunter Biden was fired?Quote:
Holding American/Ukrainian foreign policy hostage for 2 months in exchange for personal gain is a crime.
They found out by reading an article. G-damn that Trump is diabolical. His QPQ was so subtle he planted it in politicoQuote:
No they found out by early August
I'm doing exactly what your texags mods advised me to do. They told me to ignore juvenile internet posters who constantly make personal attacks, troll, and blatantly attempt thread derails via ploys like demanding repeatedly to make bets.Rapier108 said:He almost never responds, just goes on to the next talking point.aginlakeway said:I figured. Big time troll.mugwurt said:Don't waste your time. I have made similar wager proposals, and he is too chicken **** to put his money where his mouth is.aginlakeway said:So no reply to my wager on 2020 election? $500 payable to SPCA. I get Trump. You get field. Deal?MetoliusAg said:Thanks. Every day is a good day.aginlakeway said:
You're off and running early this morning ...Hope you have a great day!
Zelensky was preparing to deliver the quo on CNN, then Trump got busted. They knew about the quo in August.Quote:
he quid (aid) was given without Zelensky understanding there was a demand for a quo.
By reading about it in an articleGary Johnson said:Zelensky was preparing to deliver the quo on CNN, then Trump got busted. They knew about the quo in August.Quote:
he quid (aid) was given without Zelensky understanding there was a demand for a quo.
Did they receive the money within the time frame allotted or not? It's a simple question...Gary Johnson said:Holding American/Ukrainian foreign policy hostage for 2 months in exchange for personal gain is a crime.Quote:
Even if you (wrongly) assume that a QPQ is in fact an "abuse of power" by POTUS, doesn't the power actually have to be officially "abused" before you can call it a crime?No they found out by early AugustQuote:
The Ukrainians were clueless,
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/23/us/politics/ukraine-aid-freeze-impeachment.htmlThey were making plans to deliver the goods to King Trump, because the message was received loud and clear.Quote:
AND they received the money within the standard timeframe anyway, without doing anything for it...https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/07/world/europe/ukraine-trump-zelensky.htmlQuote:
In a flurry of WhatsApp messages and meetings in Ukraine's capital, Kiev, over several days, senior aides debated the point. Avoiding partisan politics in the United States had always been the first rule of Ukrainian foreign policy, but the military aid was vital to the war against Russian-backed separatist forces in eastern Ukraine, a conflict that has cost 13,000 lives since it began in 2014.
By then, however, Mr. Zelensky's staffers were already conceding to what seemed to be the inevitable, and making plans for a public announcement about the investigations.
Then luck intervened. Trump got busted and the aid was released 2 days later.Quote:
Word of the freeze in military aid had leaked out, and Congress was in an uproar. Two days before the scheduled interview, the Trump administration released the assistance and Mr. Zelensky's office quickly canceled the interview.
I suppose you have some proof of this?Quote:
Zelensky was preparing to deliver the quo on CNN
Troll confirmedMetoliusAg said:I'm doing exactly what your texags mods advised me to do. They told me to ignore juvenile internet posters who constantly make personal attacks, troll, and blatantly attempt thread derails via ploys like demanding repeatedly to make bets.Rapier108 said:He almost never responds, just goes on to the next talking point.aginlakeway said:I figured. Big time troll.mugwurt said:Don't waste your time. I have made similar wager proposals, and he is too chicken **** to put his money where his mouth is.aginlakeway said:So no reply to my wager on 2020 election? $500 payable to SPCA. I get Trump. You get field. Deal?MetoliusAg said:Thanks. Every day is a good day.aginlakeway said:
You're off and running early this morning ...Hope you have a great day!
MetoliusAg said:I'm doing exactly what your texags mods advised me to do. They told me to ignore juvenile internet posters who constantly make personal attacks, troll, and blatantly attempt thread derails via ploys like demanding repeatedly to make bets.Rapier108 said:He almost never responds, just goes on to the next talking point.aginlakeway said:I figured. Big time troll.mugwurt said:Don't waste your time. I have made similar wager proposals, and he is too chicken **** to put his money where his mouth is.aginlakeway said:So no reply to my wager on 2020 election? $500 payable to SPCA. I get Trump. You get field. Deal?MetoliusAg said:Thanks. Every day is a good day.aginlakeway said:
You're off and running early this morning ...Hope you have a great day!
