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So you do admit that the money was only released after the investigations were opened? I suppose you're free to think that's a coincidence instead of a realization they'd been caught.

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Keep trying sweetie. Great lessons can be learned from failure and you're only getting smarter. Insinuation doesn't equal causation no matter how hard you try.

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It must be nice to be so incredibly naive to how the world works, darlin'.

You probably also think Trump was totally planning to give that million dollars he promised to Veterans groups, but it was just coincidental timing that he didn't cut a single check to anybody until 2 days after a reporter published that he'd called every Veterans group in the country, and none of them had received any money from Trump.

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So you do admit that the money was only released after the investigations were opened? I suppose you're free to think that's a coincidence instead of a realization they'd been caught.

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Keep trying sweetie. Great lessons can be learned from failure and you're only getting smarter. Insinuation doesn't equal causation no matter how hard you try.

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It must be nice to be so incredibly naive to how the world works, darlin'.

You probably also think Trump was totally planning to give that million dollars he promised to Veterans groups, but it was just coincidental timing that he didn't cut a single check to anybody until 2 days after a reporter published that he'd called every Veterans group in the country, and none of them had received any money from Trump.

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Bless your heart! Only 5 more years and your TDS might go into remission. You keep believing though and maybe try clicking those heels.

What's the opposite of TDS? Or is it the same disease, craziness on both spectrums. We need some NE Journal of Medicine help here!

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You are insinuating that according to Vindman, the Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation lied about the content and tone of the call?

You realize that the president is not the one who types the transcripts?

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Your characterization that there were multiple people typing down everything that was said and then comparing notes to come up with a master which was helpfully released by the President, does not jibe with what Vindman stated today:

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Lt. Col. Alexander S. Vindman, the top Ukraine expert on the National Security Council, told House impeachment investigators on Tuesday that the White House transcript of a July call between President Trump and Ukraine's president omitted crucial words and phrases, and that his attempts to include them failed, according to three people familiar with the testimony.

The omissions, Colonel Vindman said, included Mr. Trump's assertion that there were recordings of former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. discussing Ukraine corruption, and an explicit mention by Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky, of Burisma Holdings, the energy company whose board employed Mr. Biden's son Hunter.

[He] told House impeachment investigators that he tried to change the reconstructed transcript made by the White House staff to reflect the omissions. But while some of his edits appeared to have been successful, he said, those two corrections were not made.

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So assuming he's not lying, then he was able to get corrections made, but was overruled on others. If he was able to get corrections made, then there weren't multiple "court stenographers" sitting around typing everything that was said and then comparing notes.

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I believe the president's description of the events over a Schiff doctored leak from his own "secret" inquiry. Schiff is so corrupt that he cannot even follow his own rules. If a Republican released that information he would be punished.

Nothing from Schiff is believable because he is unnecessarily having a secret inquisition that only he controls what propaganda is released. That is great Real Third Reich strategy.

You Democrat tools seem to be too full of TDS to see that you are losing the confidence of the people and setting precedent that will ultimately destroy our republic, unless that is what you are trying to do.

Can you be a Communist and Fascist at the same time?

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What's the opposite of TDS? Or is it the same disease, craziness on both spectrums. We need some NE Journal of Medicine help here!

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Just read your posts outloud while staring into the mirror. You'll figure it out or just reaffirm you're good enough, you're strong enough and gosh darn it, people like you.

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So the transcript is faked?

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Jesus people, IT'S NOT A TRANSCRIPT! It's a summary memo. Here, allow me to quote the first paragraph from the actual ****ing document you guys insist on calling a transcript:

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CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty Officers and NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.

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It's my understanding that Vindman stated today that portions of the conversation were replaced in memo by the "..."s. I'm sure that's just because they "recollected" things differently though.

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we already had this discussion. It's not a verbatim transcript. It is a transcript.

And it's not a summary memo, but it is a memo.

So what you are saying is the guy lies because during his testimony he called it a transcript. So you admit he is a liar but you believe him?

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You mean the Ukraine aid giving? Hard to talk about a withholding when there was nothing withheld.

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It wasn't held back by Mulvaney on Trump's order while Trump, Giuliani, Sondland, and Volker pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and Trump's DNC server conspiracy theory? That's what you're going with?

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Don't lie. The money was released before either investigation was opened. What a stupid argument.

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No, you "don't lie". I know you haven't been paying attention, or are willfully hiding your head in the sand but the truth is out there despite what you want to believe:

• August 12: A whistleblower files a complaint with the intelligence inspector general.
• August 26: Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.
• September 2: Deadline for DNI to send whistleblower complaint to Congress -- he does not send it.

• September 9: Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.
• September 9: Three House committees launch investigation of efforts by Trump, Giuliani and others to pressure the Ukrainian government to assist the President's reelection efforts. The committees request information about Trump's July phone call with Zelensky.
• September 10: Schiff demands acting DNI turn over the complaint.
• September 12: The administration hold on Ukraine aid is lifted.
• September 13: Schiff subpoenas the acting DNI.

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Referring to Ukraine's investigations... they got the aid money without doing either.

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Can you be a Communist and Fascist at the same time?

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Depends on how you define the terms. How do you define them?

So we are to the point that ONE person can start impeachment proceedings. If the Speaker of the House decides they are starting impeachment proceedings, that makes it so.

This is a slippery slope, where every President from here on out could have impeachment proceedings started on them because one person doesn't agree with the President.

This does not seem right to me? But what do I know, a little peon of this country.

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You mean the Ukraine aid giving? Hard to talk about a withholding when there was nothing withheld.

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It wasn't held back by Mulvaney on Trump's order while Trump, Giuliani, Sondland, and Volker pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and Trump's DNC server conspiracy theory? That's what you're going with?

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Don't lie. The money was released before either investigation was opened. What a stupid argument.

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No, you "don't lie". I know you haven't been paying attention, or are willfully hiding your head in the sand but the truth is out there despite what you want to believe:

• August 12: A whistleblower files a complaint with the intelligence inspector general.
• August 26: Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.
• September 2: Deadline for DNI to send whistleblower complaint to Congress -- he does not send it.

• September 9: Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.
• September 9: Three House committees launch investigation of efforts by Trump, Giuliani and others to pressure the Ukrainian government to assist the President's reelection efforts. The committees request information about Trump's July phone call with Zelensky.
• September 10: Schiff demands acting DNI turn over the complaint.
• September 12: The administration hold on Ukraine aid is lifted.
• September 13: Schiff subpoenas the acting DNI.

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Referring to Ukraine's investigations... they got the aid money without doing either.

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Because the whistleblower and the ICIG told Congress.

Not even the speaker. Just the head of the judiciary committee.

It's 9:49 AM on October 30, 2019 and Donald J. Trump is STILL the POTUS.

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So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?

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Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.

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Zero evidence of that

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Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.

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I've read the transcript and listened to Zelinsky's statements. Some Obama holdover's "feelings" about the call are of no interest to me

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Ah, so what your saying is you just dismiss evidence that doesnt confirm your priors.

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You mean evidence like the person supposedly being coerced into quid pro quo (Ukrainian President) saying he wasn't coerced into quid pro quo, and then the actual transcript of the phone call that shows that no quid pro quo was demanded? That kind of evidence?

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Mordred said:

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hbtheduce said:

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You mean the Ukraine aid giving? Hard to talk about a withholding when there was nothing withheld.

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It wasn't held back by Mulvaney on Trump's order while Trump, Giuliani, Sondland, and Volker pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and Trump's DNC server conspiracy theory? That's what you're going with?

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Don't lie. The money was released before either investigation was opened. What a stupid argument.

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No, you "don't lie". I know you haven't been paying attention, or are willfully hiding your head in the sand but the truth is out there despite what you want to believe:

• August 12: A whistleblower files a complaint with the intelligence inspector general.
• August 26: Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.
• September 2: Deadline for DNI to send whistleblower complaint to Congress -- he does not send it.

• September 9: Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.
• September 9: Three House committees launch investigation of efforts by Trump, Giuliani and others to pressure the Ukrainian government to assist the President's reelection efforts. The committees request information about Trump's July phone call with Zelensky.
• September 10: Schiff demands acting DNI turn over the complaint.
• September 12: The administration hold on Ukraine aid is lifted.
• September 13: Schiff subpoenas the acting DNI.

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Referring to Ukraine's investigations... they got the aid money without doing either.

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Because the whistleblower and the ICIG told Congress.

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Prove it

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Mordred said:

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hbtheduce said:

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MetoliusAg said:

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k2aggie07 said:

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You mean the Ukraine aid giving? Hard to talk about a withholding when there was nothing withheld.

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It wasn't held back by Mulvaney on Trump's order while Trump, Giuliani, Sondland, and Volker pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and Trump's DNC server conspiracy theory? That's what you're going with?

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Don't lie. The money was released before either investigation was opened. What a stupid argument.

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No, you "don't lie". I know you haven't been paying attention, or are willfully hiding your head in the sand but the truth is out there despite what you want to believe:

• August 12: A whistleblower files a complaint with the intelligence inspector general.
• August 26: Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.
• September 2: Deadline for DNI to send whistleblower complaint to Congress -- he does not send it.

• September 9: Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.
• September 9: Three House committees launch investigation of efforts by Trump, Giuliani and others to pressure the Ukrainian government to assist the President's reelection efforts. The committees request information about Trump's July phone call with Zelensky.
• September 10: Schiff demands acting DNI turn over the complaint.
• September 12: The administration hold on Ukraine aid is lifted.
• September 13: Schiff subpoenas the acting DNI.

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Referring to Ukraine's investigations... they got the aid money without doing either.

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Because the whistleblower and the ICIG told Congress.

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Need to stop calling this person a whistleblower. The President doesn't fall under that by definition when it comes to the Intel community.

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Malibu said:

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Malibu said:

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So a few questions ...

Is a quid pro quo a high crime or misdemeanor? And did that alleged quid pro quo ever come to fruition? Did it actually occur?

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Yes, using witholding military aid as a tactic to get foreign governments to investigate political rivals is extreme abuse of office. They certainly attempted to make it happen. Get Trump out of there and install Pence.

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Zero evidence of that

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Minus the weeks of testimony stating otherwise, of course none.

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I've read the transcript and listened to Zelinsky's statements. Some Obama holdover's "feelings" about the call are of no interest to me

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Ah, so what your saying is you just dismiss evidence that doesnt confirm your priors.

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You mean evidence like the person supposedly being coerced into quid pro quo (Ukrainian President) saying he wasn't coerced into quid pro quo, and then the actual transcript of the phone call that shows that no quid pro quo was demanded? That kind of evidence?

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All evidence is equal but some evidence is more equal than the rest.

The so called evidence of the "whistleblower" is based on their feelings. They didn't "feel" like it was right or it "concerned" them what was said. F your feelings. Emotions don't matter. Empathy is over-rated. I know this world is really tough on the feelings of sensitive liberals. I know that a lot of things make you become really emotional and bawl and boohoo because you didn't get your way. We get it. We do. Liberals have the emotional maturity of a 2 yr old. Don't get their way. Throw a wall-eyed fit. Scream and holler. ***** and moan. Go on a hunger strike. Stage a sit it. Self immolation.

Self immolate away.

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You mean the Ukraine aid giving? Hard to talk about a withholding when there was nothing withheld.

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It wasn't held back by Mulvaney on Trump's order while Trump, Giuliani, Sondland, and Volker pushed Ukraine to investigate the Bidens and Trump's DNC server conspiracy theory? That's what you're going with?

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Don't lie. The money was released before either investigation was opened. What a stupid argument.

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No, you "don't lie". I know you haven't been paying attention, or are willfully hiding your head in the sand but the truth is out there despite what you want to believe:

• August 12: A whistleblower files a complaint with the intelligence inspector general.
• August 26: Intelligence IG forwards complaint to the acting DNI.
• September 2: Deadline for DNI to send whistleblower complaint to Congress -- he does not send it.

• September 9: Intel IG notifies House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff of an "urgent concern" that DNI has overruled.
• September 9: Three House committees launch investigation of efforts by Trump, Giuliani and others to pressure the Ukrainian government to assist the President's reelection efforts. The committees request information about Trump's July phone call with Zelensky.
• September 10: Schiff demands acting DNI turn over the complaint.
• September 12: The administration hold on Ukraine aid is lifted.
• September 13: Schiff subpoenas the acting DNI.

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Referring to Ukraine's investigations... they got the aid money without doing either.

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Because the whistleblower and the ICIG told Congress.

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Need to stop calling this person a whistleblower. The President doesn't fall under that by definition when it comes to the Intel community.

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Under the ICWPA, you are correct. And any long term IC employee would know that.

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Ukrainian officials arrived at the White House on July 10 hoping to cement their country's relationship with the United States, solidifying support the Trump administration seemed reluctant to extend for reasons they didn't fully understand.

Instead, they walked into a White House that was on the verge of a crisis over Ukraine, as a simmering conflict between the president's political impulses and the nation's security priorities was about to erupt in the West Wing.

In a pair of volatile meetings, senior White House officials, including then-national security adviser John Bolton, were confronted with the outlines of a scheme they had previously only suspected: President Trump was seeking to use the power of his office to pressure Ukraine to deliver damaging information on former vice president Joe Biden and his son.

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One of the officials Trump had entrusted to pursue this agenda, Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, was undeterred by the fierce opposition from Bolton and others. He persisted in pressing Ukraine to commit to Trump's demands, convening a second meeting even after a spectacular blowup in the West Wing.

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link

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Ukrainian officials arrived at the White House on July 10 hoping to cement their country's relationship with the United States, solidifying support the Trump administration seemed reluctant to extend for reasons they didn't fully understand.

Instead, they walked into a White House that was on the verge of a crisis over Ukraine, as a simmering conflict between the president's political impulses and the nation's security priorities was about to erupt in the West Wing.

In a pair of volatile meetings, senior White House officials, including then-national security adviser John Bolton, were confronted with the outlines of a scheme they had previously only suspected: President Trump was seeking to use the power of his office to pressure Ukraine to deliver damaging information on former vice president Joe Biden and his son.

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One of the officials Trump had entrusted to pursue this agenda, Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, was undeterred by the fierce opposition from Bolton and others. He persisted in pressing Ukraine to commit to Trump's demands, convening a second meeting even after a spectacular blowup in the West Wing.

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WaPo article? The same paper that gave al-Baghdadi a glowing obituary?

The writer of that piece probably has a great future in novels.

Or they could just stay with the fake news.

On third thought, no he should become a novelist, fake news' days are numbered.

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Ukrainian officials arrived at the White House on July 10 hoping to cement their country's relationship with the United States, solidifying support the Trump administration seemed reluctant to extend for reasons they didn't fully understand.

Instead, they walked into a White House that was on the verge of a crisis over Ukraine, as a simmering conflict between the president's political impulses and the nation's security priorities was about to erupt in the West Wing.

In a pair of volatile meetings, senior White House officials, including then-national security adviser John Bolton, were confronted with the outlines of a scheme they had previously only suspected: President Trump was seeking to use the power of his office to pressure Ukraine to deliver damaging information on former vice president Joe Biden and his son.

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One of the officials Trump had entrusted to pursue this agenda, Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, was undeterred by the fierce opposition from Bolton and others. He persisted in pressing Ukraine to commit to Trump's demands, convening a second meeting even after a spectacular blowup in the West Wing.

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Pay walled. Who is the source for this?

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Ukrainian officials arrived at the White House on July 10 hoping to cement their country's relationship with the United States, solidifying support the Trump administration seemed reluctant to extend for reasons they didn't fully understand.

Instead, they walked into a White House that was on the verge of a crisis over Ukraine, as a simmering conflict between the president's political impulses and the nation's security priorities was about to erupt in the West Wing.

In a pair of volatile meetings, senior White House officials, including then-national security adviser John Bolton, were confronted with the outlines of a scheme they had previously only suspected: President Trump was seeking to use the power of his office to pressure Ukraine to deliver damaging information on former vice president Joe Biden and his son.

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One of the officials Trump had entrusted to pursue this agenda, Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland, was undeterred by the fierce opposition from Bolton and others. He persisted in pressing Ukraine to commit to Trump's demands, convening a second meeting even after a spectacular blowup in the West Wing.

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This Washington Post? You make ridiculing you so incredibly easy.

Same guy wrote this article that Maguire said was false.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

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Same guy wrote this article that Maguire said was false.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/acting-director-of-national-intelligence-threatened-to-resign-if-he-couldnt-speak-freely-before-congress/2019/09/25/b1deb71e-dfbf-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

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Typical, credible WAPO "journalist"

Not surprised. Trump, RWM, and Congressional toadies Nunes & Gaetz have been inciting anger and violence toward the WB for weeks.

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Not surprised. Trump, RWM, and Congressional toadies Nunes & Gaetz have been inciting anger and violence toward the WB for weeks.

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Not a whistle blower

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Not surprised. Trump, RWM, and Congressional toadies Nunes & Gaetz have been inciting anger and violence toward the WB for weeks.

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Impeach 45, impeach 45

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Not surprised. Trump, RWM, and Congressional toadies Nunes & Gaetz have been inciting anger and violence toward the WB for weeks.

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How so?

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Not surprised. Trump, RWM, and Congressional toadies Nunes & Gaetz have been inciting anger and violence toward the WB for weeks.

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I mean it's not like some "right-winger" went out and shot a congressman while they were playing baseball. I mean, what kind of person does that? Wait....oh...

Etc.... making stuff up as he goes.

Are you serious etcetera? That idiot in his little uniform tried to materially change the transcript and they wouldn't let him. It's NOT HIS JOB. You need to take your fake news and take a hike.

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Not surprised. Trump, RWM, and Congressional toadies Nunes & Gaetz have been inciting anger and violence toward the WB for weeks.

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First it was "The Whistleblower was receiving death threats", but it dawned on the Democrats that since only they know his/her identity it implicated them. So Now it is The Whistleblower's Legal Team receiving death threats.

Adam Schiff Claims Whistleblower Receiving Death Threats

Whistleblower's Legal Team receives Death Threats

The Democrats need to hire a better script writer.

Trump will go insane if it reaches Scotus and then the Scotus rules against him.