Bo Darville said:

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Awesome. Let's just go ahead and impeach so McConnell can get an acquittal done in a week or two.

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They want public opinion to turn on Trump so that they can basically impeach him without a trial.

And Schiff will claim that his hearings require secrecy so he'll keep them out of the public eye.

This House Republican must put cotton in his pocket just in case he needs to plug his ears.

MetoliusAg said:

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I can't figure out if your intentionally, morally, or congenitally obtuse.

No grand jury material yet. Nor do I think this faux resolution ploy by Pelosi and Schiff will move the needle much in terms of them getting said material, under McKeever.

Democrats not all aligned.

Im assuming that was expected given the deadline was tomorrow and the appeal filed yesterday.

I think the ruling will be upheld and end up in front of the Supreme Court.

What's up with all these socks popping up to make posts? The couple Dems in this thread feel that insecure?

agsfan said:

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Im assuming that was expected given the deadline was tomorrow and the appeal filed yesterday.

I think the ruling will be upheld and end up in front of the Supreme Court.

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I don't. It won't get past the DC Court of Appeals. The McKeever case was just this year. Doubt they overturn their own precedent in less than a year. Had Pelosi held the vote and launched formal impeachment proceedings, maybe the Dems could have prevailed here.

Despite the GOP howling about the ad hoc procedures being employed by the House, the real play here was in the court. Judge Beryl Howell may have bought their crap but the entire DC Circuit Court likely will not. Unless they want to appear to be fools. (Which is not outside the realm of possibility.)

Judge Napolitano just went full mentally challenged on FNC.

"Congress' ability to impeach can't be impeded by a court rule." It's not a "court rule" it is a federal statute called the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

aggiehawg said:

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Judge Napolitano just went full mentally challenged on FNC.

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Just another regular day for him.

Rapier108 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Judge Napolitano just went full mentally challenged on FNC.

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Just another regular day for him.

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Have to wonder what is being held over his head to get him to say just dumb things that have no legal basis at this point. The guy has lost it.

agsfan said:

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Im assuming that was expected given the deadline was tomorrow and the appeal filed yesterday.

I think the ruling will be upheld and end up in front of the Supreme Court.

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They will pull through for us like they did Bush v Gore

aggiehawg said:

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Rapier108 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Judge Napolitano just went full mentally challenged on FNC.

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Just another regular day for him.

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Have to wonder what is being held over his head to get him to say just dumb things that have no legal basis at this point. The guy has lost it.

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They probably started surveillance on him when he went off the reservation and revealed Obama used the Britts to spy on Trump. God only knows what they found to hold over his head

captkirk said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Rapier108 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Judge Napolitano just went full mentally challenged on FNC.

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Just another regular day for him.

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Have to wonder what is being held over his head to get him to say just dumb things that have no legal basis at this point. The guy has lost it.

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They probably started surveillance on him when he went off the reservation and revealed Obama used the Britts to spy on Trump. God only knows what they found to hold over his head

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Right after that Fox pulled him off the air, and when he returned, he went full TDS and has never throttled back.

I think the McKeever case plays into disclosure in this case. That case ruled that the grand jury information releases needed to be limited to the enumerated exceptions in rule 6e. One of those exceptions is:
(E) The court may authorize disclosureat a time, in a manner, and subject to any other conditions that it directsof a grand-jury matter:

(i) preliminarily to or in connection with a judicial proceeding;

The McKeever decision stated that an impeachment proceeding is a judicial proceeding to rationalize the release of grand jury materials during Watergate hearings.

will25u said:

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That is a strained take on what was reported.

BWD06 said:

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will25u said:

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That is a strained take on what was reported.

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Not really. It's saying the same thing, just with a NYT slant.

"Correct errors" really means "make it say what he thinks he heard"

Don't forget

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The McKeever decision stated that an impeachment proceeding is a judicial proceeding to rationalize the release of grand jury materials during Watergate hearings.

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Yeah sure. Because McKeever was decided in 1974 and not in 2019 like it actually was.

Try again.

agsfan said:

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I think the McKeever case plays into disclosure in this case. That case ruled that the grand jury information releases needed to be limited to the enumerated exceptions in rule 6e. One of those exceptions is:
(E) The court may authorize disclosureat a time, in a manner, and subject to any other conditions that it directsof a grand-jury matter:

(i) preliminarily to or in connection with a judicial proceeding;

The McKeever decision stated that an impeachment proceeding is a judicial proceeding to rationalize the release of grand jury materials during Watergate hearings.

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And further, there are no impeachment proceedings authorized in the House, at this point.

aggiehawg said:

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The McKeever decision stated that an impeachment proceeding is a judicial proceeding to rationalize the release of grand jury materials during Watergate hearings.

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Yeah sure. Because McKeever was decided in 1974 and not in 2019 like it actually was.

Try again.

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I've already been through it with this chuckle-head. Based on his interpretation, if congress is currently in a judicial proceedings, it's ALWAYS in judicial proceedings. Which is a terrible design and separation of powers.

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My fault for assuming you actually read something.

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You seem very triggered little buddy. Sorry that none of this is going your way right now but don't worry naked picture chasing Schiff will come through. Just trust him. He seems so level headed. I mean looking for naked pictures of Trump seems normal.

Well now. Interesting.

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McKeever in 2019 validated Hardeman from 1974 in their decision and in doing so confirmed impeachment as a judicial proceeding.

My fault for assuming you actually read something.

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Gee, there is no inherent power of a federal court to release grand jury material unless it is within the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure rule 6(e).

Constitutionally, Article I committees are not vested with Article II nor III powers. They require both to enforce their edicts.

Do you disagree with that? Does the House have their own law enforcement and court set up that I am unaware of?

So his truth is what you are going with. Not the actual summary. Got it.