***** OFFICIAL TRUMP IMPEACHMENT THREAD *****

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Chance Chase McMasters
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In reply to Ulysses90 • 10:34p, 12/15/19
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In 1974 Nixon could not fill the West Wing with cheering supporters. Contrast that with Trump non-stop rallies that have thousands and sometimes tens of thousands of fans waiting outside sold out venues. Nixon was a pariah. Trump is more popular than BHO at the same pout in his presidency despite 90%+ negative press coverage for Trump and 90%+ positive coverage for Obama.

I'm not believing this poll at all especially when Trump rallies average fro.17-21% of the attendees being Trump supporters who were registered Democrats in the last election. Why should anyone believe that this poll is any more accurate than the polls were on Nov 7, 2016? Did they suddenly figure out why they were so badly wrong then?


Polls asking different questions at different points in time. Trump hadn't committed impeachable offenses in Nov 2016. Nixon won 49 states but people change their minds when they find out you're a criminal.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 10:37p, 12/15/19
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Irrelevant. This impeachment was decided by the Democrats in January 2017, and the non-Left know they are no friends of the interest of the country, and that the Dems resent how well the economy is doing.

This is not the 1970's. This is more like 1998 and the Clinton impeachment. The parties are adversaries---nothing remains of the "politics stops at the shoreline" of the 70's either. Its a mis-conception. There were 8 years of giving Obama a pass, and the Dems-MSM have spent the past 3 years denying the GOP their turn. This has not gone un-noticed.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 11:09p, 12/15/19
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Chance Chase McMasters said:
Ulysses90 said:
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In 1974 Nixon could not fill the West Wing with cheering supporters. Contrast that with Trump non-stop rallies that have thousands and sometimes tens of thousands of fans waiting outside sold out venues. Nixon was a pariah. Trump is more popular than BHO at the same pout in his presidency despite 90%+ negative press coverage for Trump and 90%+ positive coverage for Obama.

I'm not believing this poll at all especially when Trump rallies average fro.17-21% of the attendees being Trump supporters who were registered Democrats in the last election. Why should anyone believe that this poll is any more accurate than the polls were on Nov 7, 2016? Did they suddenly figure out why they were so badly wrong then?


Polls asking different questions at different points in time. Trump hadn't committed impeachable offenses in Nov 2016. Nixon won 49 states but people change their minds when they find out you're a criminal.
Liberals are completely devoid of ethical boundaries, so criminality is irrelevant to their opinions. They never complained about Obama ****ting on the constitution. They certainly don't care that Biden is corrupt. This is all just a big temper tantrum because they don't like Trump. Pathetic!
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11:22p, 12/15/19
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It's a shame that 2teas, Stephenville, and maybe a couple new folks are attacking Titan now on this thread. Titan is the most reasonable person here that never attacks the libs (unlike me). I know he doesn't need my help defending himself, but it does show how low the libs on this board are sinking these days. He would listen to your opinion if you stated a reasonable one.

I'm frankly tired of engaging them on this thread anymore. I'll bump the hell out of later because they are going to look as silly as they have every other time in the recent past. But, if they can't have a normal conversation with Titan or Hawg then they probably don't want to have a conversation anymore.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 11:53p, 12/15/19
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FriscoKid, your sentiment is appreciated, but mild trolling rather than attacks is all would term it. And its to be expected given my own stance -- I am past thinking its not bad faith and bad motives on the part of the upper entrenched tier of the Democratic Party and it has been on display since the election. One of the clues is how that upper tier and mouthpieces treats even their own dissenting or more centrist minded. Benefit of the doubt for voters is easily and still given --but I really don't think we have had such a corrupt upper tier in our history since maybe some time in the 19th C. But even that period wasn't eager to cripple America for international agendas imposed from outside. The policy toward borders and energy they push while at the same time so willfully ignoring the revival of some of the middle class options and its potential is incomprehensible and harmful. This is just bad, bad. Can still distinguish between Dem leadership & activist; as versus the voters. Some of it stems to the fact remain utterly committed to the view that there is a difference between a Postemodern socialist Leftist and a Liberal or soft Progressive. Its the view Dennis Prager goes into in "Still the Best Hope" at length.

This impeachment thing has been especially vexing and just have to agree to disagree with some that think Trump's talking to Ukraine in any way is major because didn't like Clinton's either and knowing what past executives did and what the office usually involves.
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11:58p, 12/15/19
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In reply to annie88 • 12:02a, 12/16/19
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Annie88,

A guffaw-and a half. A great note to leave it for now.
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Chance Chase McMasters
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12:02a, 12/16/19
This place is so weird sometimes. 70% of Americans acknowledge Trump sinned in his dealings with Ukraine, 50% think he should be removed. It's not a left wing plot, he did this to himself.

This is terrible polling data, worse than Nixon at the same stage. Americans also distrust Trump's obstruction of the investigation, he's acting like someone with something to hide.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 12:05a, 12/16/19
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Chance Chase McMasters said:
This place is so weird sometimes. 70% of Americans acknowledge Trump sinned in his dealings with Ukraine, 50% think he should be removed. It's not a left wing plot, he did this to himself.

This is terrible polling data, worse than Nixon at the same stage. Americans also distrust Trump's obstruction of the investigation, he's acting like someone with something to hide.
You are not accounting for the fact that those Americans have been been consistently misled and lied to by the bulk of the MSM and even the choice of words and strategies of the impeachers. A good example is what aggiehawg pointed out--- the MSM have the `American public' believing there was bribery, but the articles do NOT include it.

So all you are really talking about when quoting polls is a measure of the degree they are mis-informed. It says nothing about the rightness of this farce.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 12:06a, 12/16/19
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Well, it sounds like we are all good with Trump getting impeached.

Good luck in the election
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In reply to titan • 12:08a, 12/16/19
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titan said:
Chance Chase McMasters said:
This place is so weird sometimes. 70% of Americans acknowledge Trump sinned in his dealings with Ukraine, 50% think he should be removed. It's not a left wing plot, he did this to himself.

This is terrible polling data, worse than Nixon at the same stage. Americans also distrust Trump's obstruction of the investigation, he's acting like someone with something to hide.
You are not accounting for the fact that those Americans have been been consistently misled and lied to by the bulk of the MSM and even the choice of words and strategies of the impeachers. A good example is what aggiehawg pointed out--- the MSM have the `American public' believing there was bribery, but the articles do NOT include it.

So all you are really talking about when quoting polls is a measure of the degree they are mis-informed. It says nothing about the rightness of this farce.
If we are doing accounting on this thread, we need Jimmy Valentine involved. He is a CPA.
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In reply to titan • 12:35a, 12/16/19
Call it what you may. There's a 30% floor on impeachment, no matter who the president is and whether or not they've even been accused of anything. Vice versa a 30% support base no matter what. Impeachment sentiment has slowly risen to 50% from 30% last summer.

70% acknowledging wrong doing suggests everybody who can be swayed has been. The last 30% are the "don't care who he shot on 5th avenue" crowd. The polling numbers are worse than Nixon and getting worse.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 12:38a, 12/16/19
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Chance Chase McMasters said:
Call it what you may. There's a 30% floor on impeachment, no matter who the president is and whether or not they've even been accused of anything. Vice versa a 30% support base no matter what. Impeachment sentiment has slowly risen to 50% from 30% last summer.

70% acknowledging wrong doing suggests everybody who can be swayed has been. The last 30% are the "don't care who he shot on 5th avenue" crowd. The polling numbers are worse than Nixon and getting worse.
Well again, because of the mis-representation. As you said that falls under call it what may. But you know, like the Democrats in 1998 I don't care--- I want the Senate to vote it down regardless of what any polls show, and they have that power. They did the right thing then, and it will be the right thing now to even out the backbiting. This is not the 1970's.
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6:34a, 12/16/19
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/16/politics/trump-impeachment-trial-republicans-democrats/index.html
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 6:46a, 12/16/19
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Chance Chase McMasters said:
Call it what you may. There's a 30% floor on impeachment, no matter who the president is and whether or not they've even been accused of anything. Vice versa a 30% support base no matter what. Impeachment sentiment has slowly risen to 50% from 30% last summer.

70% acknowledging wrong doing suggests everybody who can be swayed has been. The last 30% are the "don't care who he shot on 5th avenue" crowd. The polling numbers are worse than Nixon and getting worse.


If impeachment is so popular, why waste time and taxpayer money on a shame. Just vote him out in 10 months.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 6:46a, 12/16/19
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Chance Chase McMasters said:
This place is so weird sometimes. 70% of Americans acknowledge Trump sinned in his dealings with Ukraine, 50% think he should be removed. It's not a left wing plot, he did this to himself.

This is terrible polling data, worse than Nixon at the same stage. Americans also distrust Trump's obstruction of the investigation, he's acting like someone with something to hide.


And yet he will be exonerated in his trial and likely re-elected.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 6:49a, 12/16/19
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This place is so weird sometimes. 70% of Americans acknowledge Trump sinned in his dealings with Ukraine, 50% think he should be removed. It's not a left wing plot, he did this to himself.

This is terrible polling data, worse than Nixon at the same stage. Americans also distrust Trump's obstruction of the investigation, he's acting like someone with something to hide.

Keep yelling the lies and someone will eventually believe them is the typical liberal demoRat tactic! Lies aren't working, setup unfair dossier didn't work, biased unfair impeachment got nothing, and senate will not convict! Keep trying lying libs, you are working against Gods plans!
Liberals are Damn Liars! Terminate Section 230! It has been ONLY 72!hours since my last banning for defending my conservative values against liberal snowflake cupcakes and the LIBERAL Mod’s that protect them! Fairness is a myth! Stop trying to silence us! Decent LAW ABIDING HUMAN BEINGS MATTER and so do our voices. When you protect the wicked, the Anarchist, the deviant, you become One of them!

ALL LIVES MATTER - I support police and motorcycle riders. Patriot Gun Owners Unite!
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6:50a, 12/16/19
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Whose sock is Chase?
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In reply to EKUAg • 7:06a, 12/16/19
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Whose sock is Chase?
This guy's?

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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 7:17a, 12/16/19
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Now remind me of what his crimes are again? With all your blathering about polls, I seem to have forgotten. I'm sure it must be awful.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 7:49a, 12/16/19
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Chance Chase McMasters said:
Call it what you may. There's a 30% floor on impeachment, no matter who the president is and whether or not they've even been accused of anything. Vice versa a 30% support base no matter what. Impeachment sentiment has slowly risen to 50% from 30% last summer.

70% acknowledging wrong doing suggests everybody who can be swayed has been. The last 30% are the "don't care who he shot on 5th avenue" crowd. The polling numbers are worse than Nixon and getting worse.


Why do you out so much faith in the degenerate Democrats? Have you paid attention to their behavior leading up to the 2016 election and beyond? These are evil people with no ethical boundaries and an agenda to economically and socially collapse this country.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 7:52a, 12/16/19
Continuing to quote a discredited poll does not make it true no matter how much you want it to be.
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Continuing to quote a discredited poll does not make it true no matter how much you want it to be.
Here is the dilemma. If you have a firestation on 8th street that is painted yellow with a circular open drive-way on top of a hill and 90% of the media says it is painted green with a covered drive-in next to a canal than you are easily going to get 70% of the people assuming it is painted green with a covered drive-in in a low spot next to a canal. They have no other reference. The only ones who will know different will be the ones who physically drive by it (investigate the primary source), skeptics that seek out current documentation of the edifice, those who know the terrain (history and law) and what can't be true, and the 30% that believe the counter-claim by the other party no matter what and take what happens to be true at face value.

There has been more than enough evidence, even things like Rolling Stone and NYT itself at times outing it, that the MSM has engaged in a whole-lot of coordinated work with the Democrats calling the firestation green.

So once again, a poll only measures what is believed because that is what people are told---not what is true.
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In reply to titan • 8:12a, 12/16/19
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So once again, a poll only measures what is believed because that is what people are told---not what is true.

Which is exactly why we have due process under the premise of innocent until proven guilty.
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So once again, a poll only measures what is believed because that is what people are told---not what is true.

Which is exactly why we have due process under the premise of innocent until proven guilty.
Exactly! AND, very related, free speech to publish dissenting views--to not have push back suppressed.

To my above analogy I would add this is made far worse if it is a basic fact and understood by nearly everybody that the media in question is partisan one way or another, with very few deadline center. So a poll has nothing to do with how things are, but how they are perceived. It doesn't even give likely vote direction until a month away from election because things change too fast and memories too shot. Whereas macro things like -- A will take my savings, and B will let me keep it- -- make choices easier.
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8:29a, 12/16/19
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It's 8:30 AM on December 16, 2019 and Donald J. Trump is STILL your POTUS!
Covidians, Communists, CNN, FOX, and all other MSM are enemies of the state and should be treated as such.
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It's 8:30 AM on December 16, 2019 and Donald J. Trump is STILL your POTUS!


8:55 AM now. Any minute now... aaaannnnyyyyyy minute.
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9:19a, 12/16/19
So is the House floor supposed to vote later this week?
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 9:19a, 12/16/19
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Chance Chase McMasters said:
This place is so weird sometimes. 70% of Americans acknowledge Trump sinned in his dealings with Ukraine, 50% think he should be removed. It's not a left wing plot, he did this to himself.

This is terrible polling data, worse than Nixon at the same stage. Americans also distrust Trump's obstruction of the investigation, he's acting like someone with something to hide.

IDGAF what religious fever has gripped you. Prove Trump committed a crime or go cry until 2020 and pull the lever for whatever socialist you fancy.
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10:19a, 12/16/19
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The Dems keep getting caught in their own lies and strategy based on those lies

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In reply to EKUAg • 10:20a, 12/16/19
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EKUAg said:
Whose sock is Chase?
Probably Gary Johnson. The majority of his posting history is on tarrifs and other economic stuff. Just an assumption and it really doesn't matter though.

If it's not GJ there has been a sudden shift, by Chase, in interest to all things impeachment now and away from the booming economy that must be what really irritates him about this president.
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In reply to Chance Chase McMasters • 11:00a, 12/16/19
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This place is so weird sometimes. 70% of Americans acknowledge Trump sinned in his dealings with Ukraine, 50% think he should be removed. It's not a left wing plot, he did this to himself.

Sin? Trump's original sin was beating Hillary like a rented mule (which by the way, should be her Secret Service code name).

Rather than a criteria based on violation of the law and a determination of guilty or not guilty before a court you prefer to use the concept of "sin" and public opinion on whether the President has sinned. That's nothing more than supplanting the rule of law with a popularity poll that expresses whether the respondents like or dislike the President's actions.

The problem for the Democrats is that they know their public polling on Trump's popularity is very inaccurate and that if the election were held today between Trump and any of their declared candidates Trump would be reelected in a crushing landslide. The impeachment IS a left wing plot to try and avert the coming electoral defeat.

The electoral college is the only Constitutional popularity poll that matters. The Democrats in Congress and the news media are trying everything possible to avoid confronting how very unpopular they are and how unpopular Democrat policies are with the electorate. They can see what's coming which is devastation for their party in November. No tactic is too ridiculous or farcical because they will be wiped from the map and will not come close to gaining the White House until their octogenarian leadership is long dead an buried.

Donald Trump beat them in 2016 and humiliated not only the Democrat Party but every single news media prognosticator. They are still stuck in the first stage of grief over that and they have not moved forward even an inch. It has driven them insane and that is on public display in the House Intelligence and Judicial committees.
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