212 names? ... is that ALL you got?GeorgiaAg85 said:BallerStaf2003 said:RAB91 said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I understand the reason for skepticism until more information comes out.
I think it is odd that trump supporters on the thread are rushing to call this fake, as opposed to saying that this is not what they represent.
There is no doubt that SOME (not all) Trump supporters are racist and/or homophobic.
Regardless, I'm not going to rush to any conclusions. Just find it odd that there is almost zero concern for the victim.
There is also no doubt that SOME (not all) Dem supporters are racist and/or homophobic. What's your point?
My point is that it is possible these are trump supporters.
I also support the possibility that it could be a setup.
Just find it odd how quickly everyone here knows that it's fake. You don't know one way or the other. I don't either.
There is no doubt that racists and homophobia is on the rise. You can draw your own conclusions as to why that is.
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
You find it odd people are skeptical? Really?
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Is this dude just looking to get his name out there for bigger acting roles? I mean that's the only reason why he did this, (This thing is clearly a charade to get his name out there).
At this point there have been so many of these hoaxes you have to think most big wig lib producers see this story and go "pfffft another minority blowhard trying to blow smoke up my ass to get on my project".
At this point there have been so many of these hoaxes you have to think most big wig lib producers see this story and go "pfffft another minority blowhard trying to blow smoke up my ass to get on my project".
I copy/pasted the list from moonbattery.
I know the list is so short, this story is almost certainly real.
I know the list is so short, this story is almost certainly real.
Well GeorgiaAg85's post certainly achieves EOT as regards why the center and right are skeptical about this being actual right-wingers. Certainly shows that.
We will just have to wait and see.
Meanwhile here is the thing to look for ---- does the MSM do anything to tamp down the heat and anger about the event, or do they seek to pour gasoline on it and frame it inaccurately? Place your projections.
We will just have to wait and see.
Meanwhile here is the thing to look for ---- does the MSM do anything to tamp down the heat and anger about the event, or do they seek to pour gasoline on it and frame it inaccurately? Place your projections.
First Nathan Phillips and now this.
How many more actors will get assaulted?!
How many more actors will get assaulted?!
Fun fact, not that fun I guess, but my wife was a nurse at Parkland way back then and was the one who performed the rape kit on her.Cy_Tolliver said:
I remember a buddy of mine in the 90s wanted to fix me up with Nina Sharavan, the chick that made false reports on a couple of Cowboys. He goes "she's really nice once you get to know her"
NO. THANKS.
Anyway this thread made me think of that for some reason.
She's now an L&D nurse at Frisco Baylor and loves it a 1000 times more than her time at Parkland.
rgag12 said:
Is this dude just looking to get his name out there for bigger acting roles? I mean that's the only reason why he did this, (This thing is clearly a charade to get his name out there).
At this point there have been so many of these hoaxes you have to think most big wig lib producers see this story and go "pfffft another minority blowhard trying to blow smoke up my ass to get on my project".
As previously mentioned, it could also be to cover up the real reason he was beaten.
Are people now thinking the beat up itself was a hoax then? That is not necessary for it to be a Left originating event. But if the idea is the incident itself was manufactured to gloss over something else, that would be something.
Calling this fake has less to do with views/beliefs and more to do with a bunch of fake hate crimes being outed as fake and just making the assumption that this one is another in a string of these kinds of bogus stories.BallerStaf2003 said:Zombie Jon Snow said:agdoc2001 said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
2.
On another note I find your statement about people not saying this is not what they represent odd..... I find it odd that you would expect anyone to have to say that. It's almost as if you think everyone is unless they specifically deny it?!?!?!?
I mean when I see a domestic abuse case of horrible violence - I don't rush out and say "I'm a husband but this does not represent me". Do you think I need to?
When I see a case of corporate executive fraud - I don't rush out and say "I'm a businessman but this does not represent me". Do you think I need to?
Personally I think it's best to assume that the criminal and violent persons in our society are a really small fringe element and I typically assume people I meet or even casually chat with are not violent sociopaths who need to distance from something like that by default.
I guess we have different views of most of society.
This is just the ballerstaf "gotcha" attempt here. When there is an incident involving Islamic violence, many in the conservative media and on this forum point out that the rest of the muslim community is not openly denouncing the act and; therefore, must secretly condone it. Rightly or wrongly, ballerstaf is equating Trump supporters to the muslim community and holding them to this same standard.
It isn't quite apples to apples, but he does have a point.
Not quite the same thing but good try.
When a Muslim terror attack happens they are looking to leaders in the Muslim community and those outspoken anti Americans to condemn them. Like the same people you see interviewed condemning anything that offends their community and denying that their religion (even the fringes of it) supports violence. They suddenly go mute.
It isn't a case of expecting every Muslim on a message board to do so. It is the public faces of the movement.
This is a little different he is calling out basically any and all Trump supporters ON HERE to make some public denial of supporting racist or homophobic crimes. that's a rather broad based assumption and not so subtle of an accusation of our little small community here.
A bit dramatic of an interpretation. I'm not asking for some sort of pledge. Give me a break.
I just find it telling that in today's society, we rush to call someone fake that is an affront to our views and beliefs.
In this case, the possibility that a trump supporter did something like this makes people incredibly defensive. Is it the Trump mantra of never admitting anything and never apologizing that's rubbed off on his supporters?
In normal times, more posters would say that it was an awful thing, even if the victim exaggerated some aspects of it.
And yes, I know there's racist and homophobic liberals. I've talked about this before.
Apologies for being late to the hoax, but let me recap.
1. Racial slurs - CHECK
2. Bleach - CHECK
3. Noose - CHECK
4. MAGA shouted - CHECK
5. White perps with masks - CHECK
6. Letters cut out from magazines - CHECK
100% hoax. When there are too many details and the story is too perfect don't believe it.
1. Racial slurs - CHECK
2. Bleach - CHECK
3. Noose - CHECK
4. MAGA shouted - CHECK
5. White perps with masks - CHECK
6. Letters cut out from magazines - CHECK
100% hoax. When there are too many details and the story is too perfect don't believe it.
That is a very succinct and effective way of summing up why the first reaction is "no way" . It not even that unlikely when you have such a line up as that coupled with so many entities out there eager to make such a connection -- to validate the Covington Affair.
My kids finally learned that I saw through their "stories" about why they were late getting home or out with the wrong crowd. Too many details is a dead give away.
This is literally the only place I've seen that story.Quote:
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
UPDATE BELOW
Canyon,
I recall one or two incidents -- but "droves" ?!?? I do remember it mentioned--because had the same desired response --perps hauled into a Judgement hall. It didn't get alot of follow-up though.
I recall one or two incidents -- but "droves" ?!?? I do remember it mentioned--because had the same desired response --perps hauled into a Judgement hall. It didn't get alot of follow-up though.
i never heard that until this very threadCanyonAg77 said:This is literally the only place I've seen that story.Quote:
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
Went digging through the Google. About a dozen reported assaults, two of which the Dallas PD classed as hate crimes. No arrests that I found. A few of the cases popped up after someone else went public, and others said "me too, I just didn't report it".CanyonAg77 said:This is literally the only place I've seen that story.Quote:
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
UPDATE BELOW
BallerStaf2003 said:
I understand the reason for skepticism until more information comes out.
I think it is odd that trump supporters on the thread are rushing to call this fake, as opposed to saying that this is not what they represent.
There is no doubt that SOME (not all) Trump supporters are racist and/or homophobic.
Regardless, I'm not going to rush to any conclusions. Just find it odd that there is almost zero concern for the victim.
Sad that gays get beat up in this day and age.
And I don't expect you back if the perpetrators are not what you suspect.
No it's not "telling", ever heard the story about the boy who cried wolf?BallerStaf2003 said:Zombie Jon Snow said:agdoc2001 said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
2.
On another note I find your statement about people not saying this is not what they represent odd..... I find it odd that you would expect anyone to have to say that. It's almost as if you think everyone is unless they specifically deny it?!?!?!?
I mean when I see a domestic abuse case of horrible violence - I don't rush out and say "I'm a husband but this does not represent me". Do you think I need to?
When I see a case of corporate executive fraud - I don't rush out and say "I'm a businessman but this does not represent me". Do you think I need to?
Personally I think it's best to assume that the criminal and violent persons in our society are a really small fringe element and I typically assume people I meet or even casually chat with are not violent sociopaths who need to distance from something like that by default.
I guess we have different views of most of society.
This is just the ballerstaf "gotcha" attempt here. When there is an incident involving Islamic violence, many in the conservative media and on this forum point out that the rest of the muslim community is not openly denouncing the act and; therefore, must secretly condone it. Rightly or wrongly, ballerstaf is equating Trump supporters to the muslim community and holding them to this same standard.
It isn't quite apples to apples, but he does have a point.
Not quite the same thing but good try.
When a Muslim terror attack happens they are looking to leaders in the Muslim community and those outspoken anti Americans to condemn them. Like the same people you see interviewed condemning anything that offends their community and denying that their religion (even the fringes of it) supports violence. They suddenly go mute.
It isn't a case of expecting every Muslim on a message board to do so. It is the public faces of the movement.
This is a little different he is calling out basically any and all Trump supporters ON HERE to make some public denial of supporting racist or homophobic crimes. that's a rather broad based assumption and not so subtle of an accusation of our little small community here.
I just find it telling that in today's society, we rush to call someone fake that is an affront to our views and beliefs.
Just not true, no matter who did this everyone here wants justice served.Quote:
In this case, the possibility that a trump supporter did something like this makes people incredibly defensive. Is it the Trump mantra of never admitting anything and never apologizing that's rubbed off on his supporters?
It's just as much about the hatred for MSM and the way these stories usually get framed. Also, hate crime laws are stupid, that opinion is shared here by many. Finally, with all the fake hate crimes that we've seen, it makes it hard to feel sorry for a victim especially if he is exaggerating.Quote:
In normal times, more posters would say that it was an awful thing, even if the victim exaggerated some aspects of it.
White straight christian males are the real victims of fake hate crimes, you should always be aware of that.
"A dozen" ? --- well that would at least support what gave Ballerstaf that impression. I don't remember that many. But I do remember the Morning News giving it a bit of attention. It seemed to go away quickly though -- like other areas in Texas, many are armed and it can dangerous to pick fights.CanyonAg77 said:Went digging through the Google. About a dozen reported assaults, two of which the Dallas PD classed as hate crimes. No arrests that I found. A few of the cases popped up after someone else went public, and others said "me too, I just didn't report it".CanyonAg77 said:This is literally the only place I've seen that story.Quote:
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
UPDATE BELOW
Don't forget about the Trump pray away the gay camps.CanyonAg77 said:This is literally the only place I've seen that story.Quote:
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
UPDATE BELOW
Fake news: A Republican? In Chicago?! What are the odds???
One of the reasons I'm all for responsible people of whatever group to carry weapons. It's a great way to keep the peace and protect the physically weak.Quote:
like other areas in Texas, many are armed and it can dangerous to pick fights.
God Created Men and Sam Colt Made Them Equal
Exactly. Can remember because the Trade and Market Centers are not overly far from Oak Lawn and any going from there to restaurants and stores briefly `stepped up a notch' how often they were carrying. It did happen.CanyonAg77 said:One of the reasons I'm all for responsible people of whatever group to carry weapons. It's a great way to keep the peace and protect the physically weak.Quote:
like other areas in Texas, many are armed and it can dangerous to pick fights.
God Created Men and Sam Colt Made Them Equal
Some additional comments.
It was 2am?
This was a tweet of the police report. Says unknown substance and that he was hit about the face. No mention of ribs getting hit. No mention of bleach.
If you look at the guy's twitter account... no comment/tweet. Not clarifying misinformation.
Keep in mind, it was 9F last night around 2am for Chicago. Well below freezing. That didn't include windchill. A couple guys hanging outside at 2am with bleach?
According to this article, bleach freezes at about 18/19F. Surely he had a coat or heavy jacket, which makes broken ribs very suspect.
It was 2am?
This was a tweet of the police report. Says unknown substance and that he was hit about the face. No mention of ribs getting hit. No mention of bleach.
If you look at the guy's twitter account... no comment/tweet. Not clarifying misinformation.
Keep in mind, it was 9F last night around 2am for Chicago. Well below freezing. That didn't include windchill. A couple guys hanging outside at 2am with bleach?
According to this article, bleach freezes at about 18/19F. Surely he had a coat or heavy jacket, which makes broken ribs very suspect.
Note to self - get some socks, to star this man's post. Simply amazing, sir.GeorgiaAg85 said:BallerStaf2003 said:RAB91 said:BallerStaf2003 said:
I understand the reason for skepticism until more information comes out.
I think it is odd that trump supporters on the thread are rushing to call this fake, as opposed to saying that this is not what they represent.
There is no doubt that SOME (not all) Trump supporters are racist and/or homophobic.
Regardless, I'm not going to rush to any conclusions. Just find it odd that there is almost zero concern for the victim.
There is also no doubt that SOME (not all) Dem supporters are racist and/or homophobic. What's your point?
My point is that it is possible these are trump supporters.
I also support the possibility that it could be a setup.
Just find it odd how quickly everyone here knows that it's fake. You don't know one way or the other. I don't either.
There is no doubt that racists and homophobia is on the rise. You can draw your own conclusions as to why that is.
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
You find it odd people are skeptical? Really?
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Good post. I was just about to post that it seems strange that anyone would be randomly hanging out at 2am in late January in Chicago carrying bleach and a rope just in case they ran into an almost famous black gay actor outside Subway.
BallerStaf2003 said:CanyonAg77 said:Went digging through the Google. About a dozen reported assaults, two of which the Dallas PD classed as hate crimes. No arrests that I found. A few of the cases popped up after someone else went public, and others said "me too, I just didn't report it".CanyonAg77 said:This is literally the only place I've seen that story.Quote:
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
UPDATE BELOW
Over 30 attacks.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/dallas-gay-men-oak-lawn-neighborhood-attacks
Quote:
Between then and now, activists estimate there have been about 30 attacks in the Oak Lawn area a dozen or so unreported all but one against gay men
"Only two have been officially categorised as hate crimes: to be classed as bias motivated the authorities require evidence such as the use of gay slurs. But whether propelled by hate, the intention to commit robberies, or both, the location and profiles of the victims suggest the perpetrators believe gay men are easy targets."
So this may not have even been an "ZOMG I HATE GAYS!" thing, you say?
Huh.
So this may not have even been an "ZOMG I HATE GAYS!" thing, you say?
Huh.
BallerStaf2003 said:CanyonAg77 said:Went digging through the Google. About a dozen reported assaults, two of which the Dallas PD classed as hate crimes. No arrests that I found. A few of the cases popped up after someone else went public, and others said "me too, I just didn't report it".CanyonAg77 said:This is literally the only place I've seen that story.Quote:
Just two years ago gays were going to the hospital in droves from getting beaten with baseball bats in Dallas, until mark cuban donated a million to cops overtime in oaklawn and some guys started walking with guns.
UPDATE BELOW
Over 30 attacks.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/28/dallas-gay-men-oak-lawn-neighborhood-attacks
For clarity ....
Quote:
Between then and now, activists estimate there have been about 30 attacks in the Oak Lawn area a dozen or so unreported all but one against gay men and committed by perhaps six to nine individuals.
key words
ACTIVISTS ESTIMATE - i mean they would have no reason to exaggerate. right???
ABOUT 30 - thats not "over" 30 in my view
A DOZEN OR SO UNREPORTED - speaks for itself, how do they count unreported??
PERHAPS 6 to 9 INDIVIDUALS - no idea how they would come to this conclusion but it's NOT a police statement first of all.
So it isn't over 30, not even all against gay men, certainly not all reported, and vague statements like perhaps, estimate, and "or so"....
I'm not saying attacks didn't happen - they most certainly did. But you have a publication and activists that certainly wanted some action. And they got it.
But I wouldn't use this as some bellwether that attacks were significantly on the rise especially since it seemingly disappeared soon after and there were no arrests, etc. despite there being many many cameras in the area.
If you google you'll also find some attacks of the same type from 2008, 2010, 2012 and 2015..... guess who was President then. Not Trump. Was Obama and his followers to blame then??
So he didn't call the police? was he mugged? How did he get to the hospital?
What the hell is someone walking down a fridgid street in Chicago at 2am?
Who happens to have bleach and a rope to assault a C list gay actor? Where they stalking him?
I mean I live in Texas so anything below 40 is cold, but at the current temps in Chicago at 2am wouldn't you have a few layers, thick coat, gloves, scarf and hat to go outside in -5+ temperatures? Unless they were stalking him with the bleach and rope how do you tell who the bundled up guy is?
I believe it is likely the guy got beat up.
Was he mugged?
Was he the victim of a crazy stalker?
Was he beaten up by young straight black men in Chicago, who actually recognized him from TV and hate gays? Might these have been gang members in Chicago?
I dunno but being beaten up for being a gay TV star with a bit of fame by a bunch of gang members in Chicago at 2am seems more likely than the homophobic racist skinhead in Chicago at 2am.
What the hell is someone walking down a fridgid street in Chicago at 2am?
Who happens to have bleach and a rope to assault a C list gay actor? Where they stalking him?
I mean I live in Texas so anything below 40 is cold, but at the current temps in Chicago at 2am wouldn't you have a few layers, thick coat, gloves, scarf and hat to go outside in -5+ temperatures? Unless they were stalking him with the bleach and rope how do you tell who the bundled up guy is?
I believe it is likely the guy got beat up.
Was he mugged?
Was he the victim of a crazy stalker?
Was he beaten up by young straight black men in Chicago, who actually recognized him from TV and hate gays? Might these have been gang members in Chicago?
I dunno but being beaten up for being a gay TV star with a bit of fame by a bunch of gang members in Chicago at 2am seems more likely than the homophobic racist skinhead in Chicago at 2am.
There is no room for your logic when it comes to matters of faux liberal outrage!!
Libs are FOS! They either lie or support liars.
Any piece of **** liberal can yell "this is MAGA country."
Libs wouldn't stoop that low, would they? Ha!
Libs wouldn't stoop that low, would they? Ha!
I doubt the actor himself talked to TMZ about the racial angle. Some newly graduated lib decided to try their hand at true journalisming and made all the **** up. Feel bad for the actor, hope the real facts come put asap.
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