Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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TRM said:

They won't get shut down yet. They still have Danchenko, but they better file charges on Joffe and others soon.
Unseal some indictments soon?
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TRM said:

They won't get shut down yet. They still have Danchenko, but they better file charges on Joffe and others soon.
they won't get shut down because the leftists in charge aren't worried about it accomplishing anything.
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TRM said:

They won't get shut down yet. They still have Danchenko, but they better file charges on Joffe and others soon.
I hope I am wrong. I hope I am wrong.
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Time to go scorched earth and file on everyone.
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will25u said:


The primary reason DC should NEVER be made a State!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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I believe the jury instruction that he had to repeat the lie in the meeting is where the jury found room to acquit. The prosecution should have fought harder to include text message as part of the lie.
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SamjamAg said:

I believe the jury instruction that he had to repeat the lie in the meeting is where the jury found room to acquit. The prosecution should have fought harder to include text message as part of the lie.
Jury instruction removed the standard language "On or about, such and such date," to put in a date certain that was the meeting and not the text from the day before. So the jury was told to ignore the text in that instruction.
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SamjamAg said:

I believe the jury instruction that he had to repeat the lie in the meeting is where the jury found room to acquit. The prosecution should have fought harder to include text message as part of the lie.


It depends. If they said it wasn't material, when or how many times he said it doesn't matter.
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VegasAg86 said:

SamjamAg said:

I believe the jury instruction that he had to repeat the lie in the meeting is where the jury found room to acquit. The prosecution should have fought harder to include text message as part of the lie.


It depends. If they said it wasn't material, when or how many times he said it doesn't matter.
So if everyone that received the information said it wasn't material, then why was a full blown investigation opened.

It almost seems like they put all eggs into the basket of getting the SC disbanded after a failed trial attempt. I would argue that by having this case acquitted, it creates all sorts of issues for people above them who decided to start the investigation on non-material based information.

Am I wrong in thinking that?
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aggiehawg said:

SamjamAg said:

I believe the jury instruction that he had to repeat the lie in the meeting is where the jury found room to acquit. The prosecution should have fought harder to include text message as part of the lie.
Jury instruction removed the standard language "On or about, such and such date," to put in a date certain that was the meeting and not the text from the day before. So the jury was told to ignore the text in that instruction.
And crap like that is why the justice system is totally gammed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but upon what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force! But Jesus Christ founded His upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him. - Napoleon Bonaparte
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Line Ate Member said:

VegasAg86 said:

SamjamAg said:

I believe the jury instruction that he had to repeat the lie in the meeting is where the jury found room to acquit. The prosecution should have fought harder to include text message as part of the lie.


It depends. If they said it wasn't material, when or how many times he said it doesn't matter.
So if everyone that received the information said it wasn't material, then why was a full blown investigation opened.

It almost seems like they put all eggs into the basket of getting the SC disbanded after a failed trial attempt. I would argue that by having this case acquitted, it creates all sorts of issues for people above them who decided to start the investigation on non-material based information.

Am I wrong in thinking that?


Materiality didn't go to the information. It was about whether he was representing a client or doing it on his own. The steps they took to conceal the source make it reasonable to say it didn't matter whether he represented anyone.

Edit: It's also reasonable to think the FBI knew he was representing HRC/DNC.
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I would encourage you to stop using the phrase "justice system".

We d not have a system of justice. We have a legal system one that has been completely co-opted. But there is no justice involved.
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will25u said:




Is this out system of justice now? Jurors can simply ignore the law because they don't think the case was worthy of the effort? If you think they are innocent then say so. Don't subvert the entire system because your don't like the prosecution.
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So it was jury nullification. Nice.
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Ever hear of Jury Nullification?

This is America jack. Jurors don't decide if a perp is "innocent." The Gov't has to prove they are guilty. She also said they failed to meet that burden. Based on this tweet, I'd guess this lady didn't say a word during deliberations.

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will25u said:



If that was a Trump attorney that went to the FBI and misrepresented themselves with info about Hillary, they'd be crying from the rafters to prosecute them.
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93MarineHorn said:

So it was jury nullification. Nice.
Yeah. Jury went into it not even trying to be impartial. Then judge messed up the jury instructions on purpose to give them an obvious out to vote to acquit.
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If that was a Trump attorney that went to the FBI and misrepresented themselves with info about Hillary, they'd be crying from the rafters to prosecute them.
Exactly! Crazy how that works, ain't it? Just like all the "process crimes" complaints disappeared with this prosecution.

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aggiehawg said:

93MarineHorn said:

So it was jury nullification. Nice.
Yeah. Jury went into it not even trying to be impartial. Then judge messed up the jury instructions on purpose to give them an obvious out to vote to acquit.
you talking about the "on or about" date issue? didn't Durham agree to that?
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BMX Bandit said:

aggiehawg said:

93MarineHorn said:

So it was jury nullification. Nice.
Yeah. Jury went into it not even trying to be impartial. Then judge messed up the jury instructions on purpose to give them an obvious out to vote to acquit.
you talking about the "on or about" date issue? didn't Durham agree to that?
Not that I'm aware of. Thought judge said "over objection" and that was it?
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I hate America. I love what it used to be but I hate this country in its current iteration. We are every bit as corrupt as Mexico, just more high tech and covert about it.
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I was going off this poster saying Durham agreed:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2912732/replies/62149014
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BMX Bandit said:

I was going off this poster saying Durham agreed:

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2912732/replies/62149014
Watching the Depp trial and then reading or listening to the youtuber on Sussman's trial at night, I might have confused the two.

Judge A resolved disputes on jury instructions by saying that if she was not able to achieve agreement.

And as a result, there are about three separate errors in the instructions. Mostly an "and/or" problem. Should have been an "or" or both but ended up being solely "and" in the written instruction.
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So why was Flynn dragged through the courts if lying to the FBI isn't a crime?
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so if judge screwed up instruction on purpose to get an acquittal, and Durham agreed to it, that would seem to make Durham incompetent, no?


( I don't think Durham incompetent, but thats the only conclusion if one thinks judge sabotaged the instructions)
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BMX Bandit said:

so if judge screwed up instruction on purpose to get an acquittal, and Durham agreed to it, that would seem to make Durham incompetent, no?


( I don't think Durham incompetent, but thats the only conclusion if one thinks judge sabotaged the instructions)
Remember, Durham didn't know about the text message until well after the indictment was handed down because he did not have access to Baker's phone, as I recall. Could he file a superceding to include it? Yes. Was it completely necessary to do so to preserve potential error? Ask the DC Circuit as I don't know with a 26 page speaking indictment if it was not enough to have properly been notice to the defendant?
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it seems Durham didn't even try, so we won't know what the DC Circuit thinks about it.
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Scruffy said:

So why was Flynn dragged through the courts if lying to the FBI isn't a crime?
This time was (D)ifferent...
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kag00 said:

will25u said:




Is this out system of justice now? Jurors can simply ignore the law because they don't think the case was worthy of the effort? If you think they are innocent then say so. Don't subvert the entire system because your don't like the prosecution.
Bet she doesn't believe that for the Jan. 6th defendants, or other defendants of the Russiagate fiasco.

Oh, Hawg, BMX, does that kind of thing happen very often? I know when one the folks put on the stand had a vacation planned, he wanted to work around his vacation. I understand if you're subpoenaed, you show up when the court tells you to.
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Scruffy said:

So why was Flynn dragged through the courts if lying to the FBI isn't a crime?


Not to mention the agents that interviewed him initially said they didn't think he was lying. A couple of missing/redone 302s and BOOM!!! Flynn LIED TO THE FBI!!!

This time it's (D)ifferent.
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