Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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will25u said:

Seeing quite a few people on Twitter thinking many more indictments cing after what the general public have found out during this trial.



Can witness statements be used against someone at a later criminal trial if they become the defendant?
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Can witness statements be used against someone at a later criminal trial if they become the defendant?
Sworn in court testimony, so yes.
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will25u said:

Seeing quite a few people on Twitter thinking many more indictments cing after what the general public have found out during this trial.


IANAL, so bear with me...BUT it sure seems like Durham's team is batting a 1000, while Sussman, et al plus the FBI are 'no hits', lots of 'errors', with 'two outs, the count is o and 2, bottom of the ninth' and Gov'ts ace closer on the mound. Amiclose???
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"Does Chrysler make airplane engines?"
Greatness. I just busted out laughing.

Kinda like the line from Ron White.

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"Hey man, if one of the engines goes out, how far will the other one take us?" I look at him. "All the way to the scene of the crash! Which is pretty lucky, because that's where we're headed! I bet we beat the paramedics by a good half hour! We're haulin' ass!"
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whatthehey78 said:

will25u said:

Seeing quite a few people on Twitter thinking many more indictments cing after what the general public have found out during this trial.


IANAL, so bear with me...BUT it sure seems like Durham's team is batting a 1000, while Sussman, et al plus the FBI are 'no hits', lots of 'errors', with 'two outs, the count is o and 2, bottom of the ninth' and Gov'ts ace closer on the mound. Amiclose???

Durham's problem is that he still needs a unanimous verdict from a D.C. jury with many Dem donors.
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Durham's problem is that he still needs a unanimous verdict from a D.C. jury with many Dem donors.
If the DNC would stoop so low to falsify evidence to get a sitting President investigated by a Special Counsel, jury tampering would certainly be in their playbook.
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Durham's problem is that he still needs a unanimous verdict from a D.C. jury with many Dem donors.
If the DNC would stoop so low to falsify evidence to get a sitting President investigated by a Special Counsel, jury tampering would certainly be in their playbook.

Jury tampering wouldn't even be necessary if there is at least one political activist on the jury.
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SwigAg11 said:

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Durham's problem is that he still needs a unanimous verdict from a D.C. jury with many Dem donors.
If the DNC would stoop so low to falsify evidence to get a sitting President investigated by a Special Counsel, jury tampering would certainly be in their playbook.

Jury tampering wouldn't even be necessary if there is at least one political activist on the jury.
If there were several political activists that were "chosen" to be included in the jury pool, it would not surprise me.
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I had all kinds of stress about the judge for reasons I'm sure you've read. He had a chance today to deny new information and didn't, which surprised me.

However, since Durham didn't feel the need to push Cooper's apparent failure to recuse, then I felt better.

I also believe Durham's attorneys will be on top of potential jury tampering considering what's at stake for the Dems, who's involved, and how important this first trial is. But, it is correct that one jackwagon Dem activist, who can't ever wait to take one for the team, would poison the whole jury.
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fasthorse05 said:

I had all kinds of stress about the judge for reasons I'm sure you've read. He had a chance today to deny new information and didn't, which surprised me.

However, since Durham didn't feel the need to push Cooper's apparent failure to recuse, then I felt better.

I also believe Durham's attorneys will be on top of potential jury tampering considering what's at stake for the Dems, who's involved, and how important this first trial is. But, it is correct that one jackwagon Dem activist, who can't ever wait to take one for the team, would poison the whole jury.
More 'hope' than 'sound reasoning'...but got a smidgen of a feeling some Dem-leaning jurists may be 'fed up' with HRC lies, the idiots in the WH and ridiculous, leftist BS...especially if they have school age children.
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aggiehawg said:

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Do we need to add IG Horowitz to the PoS list with Comey, Mueller and Weissman? How did he miss so much?
Jury is still out on him for me. Two reasons. First he doesn't have subpoena power and Sally Yates forbade him from having any oversight on the FBI counter intel department. Second, he only has access to current employees and several of the parties had exited their jobs.


Correct Yates locked Horowitz completely out of the NATSEC arm of the DOJ however when Yates was put the door that directive should have been lifted! But did Mueller already have evidence under lock and key by then is the question, or did Rosenstein secretly continue that policy unbeknownst to the public.? Lots to be still answered.

I still want more on the invisible man Joe Pientka that the FBI went to unprecedented means to keep him stashed away, hiding him out in SFFO until a Twitter sleuth uncovered him from a website roster and he went underground again.

Joe Pientka who is actually Joe Pientka lll, Joe Pientka Sr who was a WWll decorated hero and Joe Pientka Jr who was a Gov Contractor at Quantico Virginia. JP3 was outed by Grassley in 2017 and the FBI made him vanish. We all assumed it had to do with the Flynn sting but it appears JP3 had his fingerprints on a LOT more.
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At this point, is the defense's strategy to cast aspersions on the FBI and paint them as the real criminals or just horribly incompetent? Or, are all of these details we are finding out about the FBI coming from the prosecution?
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Thanks for telling the story, I'm sure I'm not the only one to get a chuckle out of it. Weren't you also in a private plane that almost went down once on another case?
Yep. That was me. I represented a Chrysler car dealer. On the plane with me was Chrysler corporate counsel and counsel for Chrysler Credit. We had to fly up to Farmington New Mexico for a deposition in a lemon car case. After an entire day of hearing about how their new car would just die while going down the highway, we got back into the single engine plane to fly back. Chrysler Credit attorney went to sleep in the back seat while corporate counsel and I chatted.

Suddenly, the prop engine died. The pilot flips a bunch of switches and sits back. Nothing happens. I turn to corporate counsel and nervously ask, "Does Chrysler make airplane engines?" Just then the engine sputtered back up and the pilot pulled the plane back up. We had not been in a dive but were losing altitude. I turn around and the CC attorney's eyes were like saucers. He didn't sleep for the rest of the flight.

And I had a great story to tell for scotch time at the firm that evening.
That is a great story, and I realize you weren't in a B-29, but yes, they did once make airplane engines, in Chicago of all places, believe it or not.

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He depends on the corrupt legal system and the indoctrinated political ideology of juries.
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SwigAg11 said:

At this point, is the defense's strategy to cast aspersions on the FBI and paint them as the real criminals or just horribly incompetent? Or, are all of these details we are finding out about the FBI coming from the prosecution?
It seems like decades ago, but when Barr appointed Durham 2.5 yrs ago the question of "proper predication" was one Barr's justifications - and likely one of Durham's directives. Barr completely disagreed with IG Horowitz's report claiming FISAs and Crossfire Hurricane was properly opened and there wasn't any evidence of political bias or improper motivation.
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Barr's Statement: "The Inspector General's report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory."
So, at a minimum, Durham will throw shade on both the Horowitz and Mueller reports. Then there's that messy question - was anyone at the FBI part of HRC's criminal conspiracy.
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So, at a minimum, Durham will throw shade on both the Horowitz and Mueller reports. Then there's that messy question - was anyone at the FBI part of HRC's criminal conspiracy.
We know from Strzok/Page texts that people around them and even Page herself were talking to reporters and planting stories. And we know Strzok was hesitant to join Mueller's team because he didn't think there was any there there. And that was in May 2017, after investigating since July 2016.

I still keep going back to the State Department gal, Kavalec, who alerted the FBI that Steele was FOS on the Russia allegations and told her his work was time sensitive and connected to the election. That information made even a stupid Victoria Nuland shy away from Steele because of Hatch Act violations.
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aggiehawg said:

We know from Strzok/Page texts that people around them and even Page herself were talking to reporters and planting stories. And we know Strzok was hesitant to join Mueller's team because he didn't think there was any there there. And that was in May 2017, after investigating since July 2016.
Absolutely. Beyond question the entire FBI upper echelon were biased partisan hacks. However, I'm still struggling with a unified single criminal conspiracy with the HRC campaign and the FBI as co-conspirators. Spitballing but it seems there may be 2 criminal conspiracy investigations - the HRC conspiracy to defraud the FBI ... and the FBI conspiracy to defraud POTUS. Both with similar objectives but neither with direct association/coordination.
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aggiehawg said:

We know from Strzok/Page texts that people around them and even Page herself were talking to reporters and planting stories. And we know Strzok was hesitant to join Mueller's team because he didn't think there was any there there. And that was in May 2017, after investigating since July 2016.
Absolutely. Beyond question the entire FBI upper echelon were biased partisan hacks. However, I'm still struggling with a unified single criminal conspiracy with the HRC campaign and the FBI as co-conspirators. Spitballing but it seems there may be 2 criminal conspiracy investigations - the HRC conspiracy to defraud the FBI ... and the FBI conspiracy to defraud POTUS. Both with similar objectives but neither with direct association/coordination.
I disagree that there was no direct association or coordination. I think the Ohrs are that direct association and there is a good chance we're coordinating at least some of what went on at the FBI with the campaign.
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I disagree that there was no direct association or coordination. I think the Ohrs are that direct association and there is a good chance we're coordinating at least some of what went on at the FBI with the campaign.
Good point. Ohr's meeting with Fusion and through his wife's employment there is one nexus.
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SwigAg11 said:

At this point, is the defense's strategy to cast aspersions on the FBI and paint them as the real criminals or just horribly incompetent? Or, are all of these details we are finding out about the FBI coming from the prosecution?
It seems like decades ago, but when Barr appointed Durham 2.5 yrs ago the question of "proper predication" was one Barr's justifications - and likely one of Durham's directives. Barr completely disagreed with IG Horowitz's report claiming FISAs and Crossfire Hurricane was properly opened and there wasn't any evidence of political bias or improper motivation.
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Barr's Statement: "The Inspector General's report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken. It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory."
So, at a minimum, Durham will throw shade on both the Horowitz and Mueller reports. Then there's that messy question - was anyone at the FBI part of HRC's criminal conspiracy.


They will play dumb or clueless. It's worked so far.
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txags92 said:

I disagree that there was no direct association or coordination. I think the Ohrs are that direct association and there is a good chance we're coordinating at least some of what went on at the FBI with the campaign.
Ohr (DOJ) had mtgs with both Steele and Simpson and his wife worked for Simpson. They're dirty for sure. Tough trail for Durham to follow however - with that sticky spousal privilege firewall and no criminal evidence we know of.
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I disagree that there was no direct association or coordination. I think the Ohrs are that direct association and there is a good chance we're coordinating at least some of what went on at the FBI with the campaign.
Good point. Ohr's meeting with Fusion and through his wife's employment there is one nexus.
I'd just point out, again, that the Russian-speaking specialist who had studied extensively in the Soviet Union (and was at least at one point a Stalin apologist), Nellie Ohr, who was also a cyber security specialist, within a few months of Mike Rogers being concerned about the NSA abuses, became somehow a big ham radio enthusiast and got a transmission license early on in this, near the…Russian embassy in May 2016.

Nah, she didn't communicate with any Russians, it was just for helping with local DC emergencies. Trust her.



Weird coincidences. No record of what was said, on the ham radio, or at those coincidental later dinner conversations.
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Start of the thread:
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wow

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Didn't we already know this? I mean Hannity has run with "Hillary bought and paid for..." for so long it should be on his tombstone when he passes.
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I guess from earlier in the day:

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It's pretty clear at this point, that if Sussman walks it's because the jury is as honest as the one in the OJ Simpson trial.
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Why file this motion?

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To eventually bring Obama into the ring?
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