Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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In reply to Secolobo • 8:58a, 4/25/22
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Kool said:
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Why would Elias be the "biggest fish"? Even if Elias concocted the entire scheme on his own as a way to discredit Trump and get Hillary elected (and further line his pockets, no doubt), there had to have been tacit approval of the scheme from HRC and others high up in her campaign. Just curious.
That has to do with the approximate 32 emails from GCF that they are fighting to not be released.
So, basically, the next time I want to do something illicit, I need to find an attorney with questionable ethics and have them coach me through it?
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8:59a, 4/25/22
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That's certainly one of my main takeaways from this... The only real privacy in America is $1,000/hr.
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In reply to will25u • 9:11a, 4/25/22
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The last line in The Federalist article is great;
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That, however, is precisely what Hillary for America and DNC are doing, leading one to wonder if the real issue in play is not attorney-client privilege, but the privilege of being a Democrat.
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
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In reply to Kool • 9:52a, 4/25/22
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Kool said:
Secolobo said:
Kool said:
will25u said:
Why would Elias be the "biggest fish"? Even if Elias concocted the entire scheme on his own as a way to discredit Trump and get Hillary elected (and further line his pockets, no doubt), there had to have been tacit approval of the scheme from HRC and others high up in her campaign. Just curious.
That has to do with the approximate 32 emails from GCF that they are fighting to not be released.
So, basically, the next time I want to do something illicit, I need to find an attorney with questionable ethics and have them coach me through it?
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10:36a, 4/25/22
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10:39a, 4/25/22
This is Cooper's focus in part.
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10:48a, 4/25/22
Cooper isn't going to allow Alfa and the third party sever people testify
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11:33a, 4/25/22
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12:03p, 4/25/22
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In plain English, Judge Cooper meant to say........
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In reply to whatthehey78 • 3:51p, 4/25/22
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In plain English, Judge Cooper meant to say........


In layman's terms the judge's ruling basically allows Durham to do what he said he wanted to with the expert on the data (FBI Agent Martin), but only being able to discuss certain things if Sussman "opens the door" is how litigators term it. Durham had already agreed to that in his notice.

However if Sussmann's counsel questions the validity of the findings on the data that opens up the floodgates for Durham to put Alfa and other server custodians on the stand to drive a stake in the heart of Sussmann's defense.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 3:53p, 4/25/22
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sicandtiredTXN said:
whatthehey78 said:
In plain English, Judge Cooper meant to say........


In layman's terms the judge's ruling basically allows Durham to do what he said he wanted to with the expert on the data (FBI Agent Martin), but only being able to discuss certain things if Sussman "opens the door" is how litigators term it. Durham had already agreed to that in his notice.


So Durham got what he wanted?
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In reply to SwigAg11 • 3:54p, 4/25/22
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sicandtiredTXN said:
whatthehey78 said:
In plain English, Judge Cooper meant to say........


In layman's terms the judge's ruling basically allows Durham to do what he said he wanted to with the expert on the data (FBI Agent Martin), but only being able to discuss certain things if Sussman "opens the door" is how litigators term it. Durham had already agreed to that in his notice.


So Durham got what he wanted?


Yes

I was most impressed with Cooper when he brushed aside the footnote arguments that the expert notice was too late/insufficient. To me it's impressive because all the left so called legal pundits arguments look insignificant and exposes they don't have the experience in actual federal practice to know that federal judges are definitely not in the habit of hamstringing prosecutors. I'm talking about idiots like emptywheel that's been carpet bombing Twitter with BS predictions that were never going to come to fruition. Idiots like that can't accurately predict what will happen because they rely too much on their own reading of legal rules, which is uniformed by the experience of how judges read them. I pay close attention to Prof Cleveland's or Andy McCarty's points and real lawyers on here like Hawg and BMX etc.
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4:13p, 4/25/22
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Is this the Monday "Biggie" that was inferred on Friday...or, are we awaiting another??
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4:23p, 4/25/22
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It's just amazing to think that this thread was started in December, 2017 and now has over 6.2 MILLION views.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
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In reply to Tailgate88 • 4:42p, 4/25/22
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It's just amazing to think that this thread was started in December, 2017 and now has over 6.2 MILLION views.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.
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In reply to whatthehey78 • 4:44p, 4/25/22
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No, the biggie would be a Durham filing not the Judge's ruling.
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In reply to whatthehey78 • 5:13p, 4/25/22
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Is this the Monday "Biggie" that was inferred on Friday...or, are we awaiting another??
I'm expecting another big drop by Durham TBD
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In reply to MarkTwain • 5:30p, 4/25/22
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sicandtiredTXN said:
whatthehey78 said:
Is this the Monday "Biggie" that was inferred on Friday...or, are we awaiting another??
I'm expecting another big drop by Durham TBD
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In reply to will25u • 5:57p, 4/25/22
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Over/Under on the total amount of $/hour being billed in that courtroom?
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In reply to Tailgate88 • 6:17p, 4/25/22
Well, it's in DC, so it's a minimum of $1,000.00/hour, so I'd say $20,000.00/hour.

My just sense of retribution against these *******s makes me say "the more the better". They've all bled Trump and his associates for a half-million dollars, or more, so turn about is fair play.
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In reply to fasthorse05 • 6:25p, 4/25/22
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Well, it's in DC, so it's a minimum of $1,000.00/hour, so I'd say $20,000.00/hour.

My just sense of retribution against these *******s makes me say "the more the better". They've all bled Trump and his associates for a half-million dollars, or more, so turn about is fair play.
Makes for more billings = more evidence. Hope some never collect. "Homeless" would be justice for several of them.
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8:53p, 4/25/22
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Completely tongue in cheek satire here... laugh.

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In reply to will25u • 9:27p, 4/25/22
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That article says Durham needs to file his replies to those motions from last week today.
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In reply to TRM • 9:44p, 4/25/22
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That's what everyone's waiting on as mrs Cleveland mentioned above.
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10:31p, 4/25/22
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Sounds like Durham has slowly started to close in his net.
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In reply to Line Ate Member • 10:59p, 4/25/22
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Sounds like Durham has slowly started to close in his net.


He's flipped two key members directly involved, Laura Seago will be the Fusion GPS employee to testify, and David Dagon from Joffe's team. He's Got hundreds of emails completely torpedoing Marc Elias claim that Fusion GPS was retained to provide "legal advice." And it's a double edge sword because it also pushes back the the 38 emails they are holding onto for dear life aren't privileged and my bet is those emails show direct orders from HRC giving the order to takedown Trump via going after Carter Page using the dossier.

Durham makes clear, no lawyers are copied in these e-mails and this doesn't have anything to do with legal advice. And even if there were some type of privilege or work product, it was waived when Fusion GPS distributed the info to the press.


Here's the ace in the hole for all the pessimistic tribe. Merrick Garland Is AG and could step in, but the rub is everyone knows that the Red team is going to flip the House and the Senate and Garland would be certainly impeached if he were to step in, same goes for Biden. Garland's career would be over an any future hope he had for SCOTUS would be toast, could possibly end his license to practice as well. Biden has little to lose he's toast anyway, but he's only holding on to be able to pardon Hunter. Joe's a walking eggplant currently. The left is burning what little reputation Joe had to the ground because he's simply ballast on a sinking ship.
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In reply to MarkTwain • 5:53a, 4/26/22
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Am I completely missing the boat here? Is Durham basically saying, all of this confidential information was being actively shopped through media circles and the FBI but now the information is attorney/client privileged information?
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Am I completely missing the boat here? Is Durham basically saying, all of this confidential information was being actively shopped through media circles and the FBI but now the information is attorney/client privileged information?
That's what the defense is trying to claim.

It's not, but they have no other defense to keep those 38 emails out of court


ETA: The background on these emails is Durham subpoenaed all the communications between Fusion, DNC, HRC, HFA, Elias, Sussmann, Joffe, Dogan, and Seago. They turned over thousand of emails, but withheld 38 emails claiming privilege. Problem is HRC DNC were claiming work product privilege, Elias and Sussmann were claiming Attorney Client privilege, when that was question, Elias jumped up and said Perkins Coie hired Fusion GPS for "Legal Advice" but problem is no one a FGPS is an attorney, and FGPS isn't a law firm. So all the conflicting privilege cancel out each other, compounded by the fact there are emails that they produced that show them pushing this "work product" to the media, so that privilege claim is blown out of the water on its merit alone.
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