thank you for the link/detail, but this part just pisses me off

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While many of the actors are now beyond the reach of charges due to the statute of limitations,

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Of course they are.....why is it this is never the case for the average citizen, but SOP for politicians and their criminal associates?

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The government provides this privileged access because the companies are supposed to help with cybersecurity. But Tech Executive-1 and Perkins Coie are said to have exploited this access for political purposes.

Tech Executive-1 was having contact with Sussmann and another Perkins Coie lawyer (who is not identified in the indictment, but appears to be Marc Elias, who was the main lawyer at the firm for Clinton and the DNC), and with what is identified as a "U.S. investigative firm." That firm appears to be Fusion GPS, Glenn Simpson's oppo-research outfit that was retained by Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign, to conduct opposition research on Donald Trump the exercise that resulted in the farcical "Steele Dossier," generated principally by Christopher Steele, the former British spy recruited by Simpson for that purpose.

In a nutshell, then, people closely connected to the Clinton campaign use privileged access to nonpublic information for political purposes. They concoct it into a political narrative that they know is baseless but can be convincingly spun to suggest Trump is in cahoots with Putin.

They then simultaneously peddle that storyline to the media and the FBI the latter of which opens an investigation of Trump because the Clinton team, in this instance Sussmann, misrepresents its intentions. Sussmann was supposedly bringing this alarming "evidence" to the FBI not for political purposes but because he and his associates were well-meaning citizens concerned about national security.

Naturally in this cozy world, Sussmann is a former Department of Justice cybersecurity official who traded on his long-standing professional relationship with Baker, the bureau's lawyer

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Andy McCarthy's take. Read the rest.

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There is one last thing that I find interesting but that is not in the indictment. Among the many risible aspects of the Steele Dossier is that Steele, the great Russia expert, obviously doesn't know much about Alfa Bank . . . which he repeatedly misspells as "Alpha" Bank. One of Steele's "intelligence reports" from September 2016 makes extravagant claims about connections and favors exchanged between the owners of Alfa Bank and Putin.

Consequently, the owners sued Steele for libel in London.

In British court, Steele was deposed. He related that he didn't know about any Alfa BankTrump connection. So why put it in the dossier? Well, he was told about the alleged corrupt Alfa BankTrump tie by . . . wait for it . . . yes . . . Michael Sussmann.

So, the Clinton lawyers at Perkins Coie give information to Steele, who folds it into the collusion tall tale he presses on the FBI, without telling the bureau that he's working for the Clinton campaign (through his cutouts, Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS).

Simultaneously, the Clinton lawyers are getting suspect information from a cyber-exec client who is hoping for a big job in the anticipated Clinton administration, and one of the lawyers Sussmann presses it on the FBI while allegedly lying in order to conceal that he's actually working for both the Clinton campaign and the selfsame cyber exec who's hoping for a job in the Clinton administration.
Meantime, having orchestrated the creation of all this smoke, the Clinton campaign exploits it to tell the media and the American people, "See, Trump is a Kremlin mole!"

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Great insight, but not being a law dog...were any laws broken (besides lying to the FBI) or was the whole episode a series of "political shenanigans" and the usual DC "good ole boy" game of who can tell the bigger lie?

TIA!

So either tech exec-1 or the Clinton campaign…or both are the actual perps using sussman's and baker's assistance.

• Tech exec-1 walks because he's rich and connected
• Clinton? Come tf on…if anyone in this country is above the law, their last name is either Kennedy or Clinton. A comey-type FBI lawyer will grant them immunity in return for some irrelevant/useless testimony…just like they did for her and that Uma **** over the email server crime
• Sussman and Baker might be convicted, but no way a sympathetic judge sentences them to jail time. (same courtesy given to that Klinesmith swamp creature).
• The media knows full on that if they ignore a story it's as if it never happened and it'll go away…and the Dems will be assured going fwd they can do anything to anyone and get away with it

We are living in an early-stage soviet style one-party state…I cant wait till the actual blood-spilling pogroms begin. May as well plan your elocution and get yourself re-educated now brothers & sisters


https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/09/the-real-story-in-durhams-indictment-of-democratic-lawyer-michael-sussmann/

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Great insight, but not being a law dog...were any laws broken (besides lying to the FBI) or was the whole episode a series of "political shenanigans" and the usual DC "good ole boy" game of who can tell the bigger lie?

TIA!

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Although I was not a fan of Team Mueller's creative use of "conspiracy to defraud the United States Government" type of legal theory, there is a case to be argued that knowingly feeding false info to the FBI to induce them to open a investigation could fall into that type of category. And as th graphic shows how the information flowed, there is no question that it was a concerted effort involving multiple people working towards the same goal, and that goal sure as hell was not good faith reporting of a crime in the pursuit of justice.

But that's still an attenuated case that would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, especially to a DC jury, even if such a criminal charge survived a motion to dismiss.

This video will almost certainly be removed from yt in couple weeks. Great listen..

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Thanks for the link.

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Plus https://t.co/0s3jSDvNMd is gone and so is https://t.co/8cz0BMyo1C, he's ready to lose all of his money to Alfa and wear some cool silver bracelets for a bit

— FOOL NELSON (@FOOL_NELSON) September 21, 2021

Saw this article from Real Clear Investigations this AM. I believe it will answer your question about how there were many versions of the Steele Dossier that were getting to the FBI in a myriad of ways and from different directions. Proving the old adage it's not what you know, it's who you know.

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In closed-door congressional testimony Oct. 18, 2018, Baker told lawmakers about Sussmann's convoluted claim that a computer server at Trump Tower was in secret contact with a possible Russian government cutout, Alfa Bank. "So he was describing a what appeared to be a surreptitious channel of communications communication between some part of President Trump's, I'll say organization but it could be his businesses. I don't mean like The Trump Organization, per se. I mean his enterprises with which he was associated. Some part of that and a an organization associated with a Russian organization associated with the Russian government," and it was "conducted in a way so as to make it a covert communications channel."

When Baker asked him how he came upon this information, Sussmann, according to Baker, said "that there were some cyber experts that somehow would come across this information and brought it somehow to his attention, and that they were alarmed at what it showed, and that, therefore, they wanted to bring it to the attention of the FBI."

Asked for the names of the "experts," Baker said, "I don't think I ever found out who these experts were."

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Baker suggested it was a mystery why Sussmann reached out to him and then repeatedly made it clear exactly why Sussmann saw him as a possible collaborator. "I had a personal relationship with Michael," Baker said, but "you'd have to ask him why he decided to pick me."

"And so what you're saying is you were the intermediary between Perkins Coie and the FBI because of your personal relationship with that attorney?" then-Rep. Mark Meadows asked.

"I believe so," Baker answered but he did so with the caveat: "You'd have to ask Michael why he came to me." One plausible answer Sussmann could have given was that going to Baker was the best way to achieve his goal after all, Baker did pass the information on to bureau investigators, and there would soon be stories in Slate and the New York Times telling of an FBI "probe" into Trump and Russia.

For his part, Sussmann told congressional investigators that when he met with Baker, he told him "I wasn't looking for the FBI to do anything. I had no ask. I had no requests."

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Sussmann wasn't the only old friend feeding Russia conspiracy stories to James Baker. In the fall of 2016, another Washingtonian with the general counsel's ear was David Corn, the Washington bureau chief of the left-wing magazine Mother Jones.

"David had part of what is now referred to as the Steele dossier and he talked to me about that and wanted to provide that to the FBI," Baker told lawmakers. "And so, even though he was my friend, I was also an FBI official. He knew that. And so he wanted to somehow get that into the hands of the FBI."

How did a Mother Jones reporter/columnist get chosen to drop a dime on Trump with the FBI?
"David is a friend of mine"
"Longtime friend?"
"Longtime friend."
"When did you first meet Mr. Corn?"

"Years and years and years ago," Baker said to congressional investigators. "Our kids carpooled together. We carpooled with them when our kids were little."

As with the materials from Sussmann, Baker took dossier sections from David Corn and passed them on to FBI counterintelligence agents.

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From Steele's end...

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Consider former British agent Christopher Steele, who had a knack for cultivating friends in high places.

In 2007 he met Bruce Ohr at an organized crime conference. They would continue to meet about once or twice a year, whenever Ohr was in London or Steele was in Washington. Orbis, the private intelligence firm Steele formed after he left MI6, produced a steady stream of short reports; Steele shared them with Ohr.

Their friendship developed to the point that, in the spring of 2010, Ohr connected Steele with the FBI and "pushed" for the bureau to make his friend a paid FBI informant, a "confidential human source." The relationship he built over the years with Ohr would prove helpful when Ohr became one of the highest ranking career officials at the Department of Justice, associate deputy attorney general especially since Steele wasn't the only one cultivating a connection with Bruce Ohr.

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Ohr had also become "personally acquainted" with Glenn Simpson at the same sort of policy conferences year after year. That relationship was reinforced when the opposition research firm Simpson co-founded, Fusion GPS, hired Ohr's wife, Nellie, as an independent contractor.

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Not long before the 2016 election, Christopher Steele had a falling out with the FBI, which had discovered he was not honoring the "confidential" part of his agreement to be a confidential human source. But thanks to Steele and Simpson's relationships with Bruce Ohr, Steele's ability to influence the FBI was not lost. He began to funnel his spurious tales through Bruce Ohr to the bureau.

Lawmakers asked James Baker why the FBI having shut down Steele as an official source turned to Bruce Ohr as a way to continue gathering information from Steele. Baker saw Ohr's friendship with Steele as an asset, not a liability: "Bruce," Baker said, "had some type of preexisting relationship with the source."

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Ohr wasn't the only official Steele cultivated; he had also become pals with Jonathan Winer sometime around 2000. During the Obama administration, Winer was a top State Department officer. And while at Foggy Bottom, Winer didn't forget his old friend from London.

For years, Winer encouraged colleagues at State to read the research reports produced by Steele's private intel company, Orbis. Winer distributed well over 100 of Steele's intel memos to Victoria Nuland's State Department Eurasia team.

He also promoted Steele himself: "Toria and Paul, Three reports from Orbis," Winer wrote in a November 2014 email, showing his nickname and first-name basis with "Toria" Nuland and Paul W. Jones, her deputy. He added, "The man behind them and Orbis, Chris Steele (as previously mentioned, former MI6 Russia expert, and a trusted friend of mine) is in DC next couple of days. If you'd like to meet with him, let me know and I can put it together."

Winer promoted Steele's dossier with no less vigor and enthusiasm, distributing it among his friends at State.

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And of course, the versions (or parts of the dossier) that were circulating at State made their way to the FBI. State Department has it's own intelligence component that communicated regularly with DOJ/FBI.

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It is rare that a judge will do so in response to a motion by a party if the judge is unwilling to do so on his own.
I'm not sure Durham's office will do so because I don't think they expect Sussmann's case to ultimately end up in the DC Court, so they really don't care now.

— shipwreckedcrew.substack.com (@shipwreckedcrew) September 22, 2021

Asst Special Counsel DeFilippis says some discovery will be classified and they’re working on getting security clearances for defense counsel. May be CIPA (classified evidence) practice in case.

— Josh Gerstein (@joshgerstein) September 22, 2021

Hints of defense motions: materiality (whether alleged false statement could’ve been reasonably expected to impact FBI actions) and maybe to strike surplusage (probably extensive discussion of alleged actions of uncharged others in indictment, like tech experts & their motives)

— Josh Gerstein (@joshgerstein) September 22, 2021

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Although I was not a fan of Team Mueller's creative use of "conspiracy to defraud the United States Government" type of legal theory, there is a case to be argued that knowingly feeding false info to the FBI to induce them to open a investigation could fall into that type of category. And as th graphic shows how the information flowed, there is no question that it was a concerted effort involving multiple people working towards the same goal, and that goal sure as hell was not good faith reporting of a crime in the pursuit of justice.

But that's still an attenuated case that would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, especially to a DC jury, even if such a criminal charge survived a motion to dismiss.

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I was laser focused on the "conspiracy to defraud" angle for like forever. However to make this case stick, the gov must have overwhelming evidence they knowingly feed false info to the FBI. Unfortunately, we haven't seen anything yet that fits that legal criteria.

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Although I was not a fan of Team Mueller's creative use of "conspiracy to defraud the United States Government" type of legal theory, there is a case to be argued that knowingly feeding false info to the FBI to induce them to open a investigation could fall into that type of category. And as th graphic shows how the information flowed, there is no question that it was a concerted effort involving multiple people working towards the same goal, and that goal sure as hell was not good faith reporting of a crime in the pursuit of justice.

But that's still an attenuated case that would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, especially to a DC jury, even if such a criminal charge survived a motion to dismiss.

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I was laser focused on the "conspiracy to defraud" angle for like forever. However to make this case stick, the gov must have overwhelming evidence they knowingly feed false info to the FBI. Unfortunately, we haven't seen anything yet that fits that legal criteria.

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As bad as I hate the left, ESPECIALLY the CLINTONS, and the swamp in general, I'm not sure how you defraud or lead the most powerful law enforcement organization on the planet, on a wild goose chase unless the FBI was a willing participant.

Give them bogus information okay, it's the FBI's job to investigate and validate that info. And we have all seen, and it's well documented in this 1300+ page thread, that they did investigate the so called dossier, and it's documented that they could verify one single piece of it. The State Dept even warned them that it was possibly bogus. Then the then acting director of the FBI Andy McCabe went before congress and said there would have been no FISA without the "dossier". The FBI was a willing participant in this and everyone with any sense knows it.

My theory is they were already surveilling, even before he came down that escalator, but then when it got dicey and the NSA chief got wind of the illegal unmasking going on of Trump people, Mike Rogers warned Comey, and told him he was going to the FISA court and inform them, that very afternoon Comey jams through the first FISA warrant that Friday and Rogers went to the Court that next Monday.

It was testified that they had made three prior attempts to get a FISA warrant on Trump and was rejected, they slapped the dossier to the next application and it went through, then they had Clinesmith doctor an email to keep the warrant renewed and they were off to the races. They could CYA all the past surveillance and future surveillance with the forward looking and rearward looking powers of the FISA.

And we all know the players. Baker, Preistep, McCabe, Strzok, Page Comey etc. Everyone that signed off on those warrant application are vulnerable. The list of villains in this mess would fill up phonebook. Sussman may ride the lightning but if he decides to roll over on this alone we know protective custody means squat. See Epstein

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Although I was not a fan of Team Mueller's creative use of "conspiracy to defraud the United States Government" type of legal theory, there is a case to be argued that knowingly feeding false info to the FBI to induce them to open a investigation could fall into that type of category. And as th graphic shows how the information flowed, there is no question that it was a concerted effort involving multiple people working towards the same goal, and that goal sure as hell was not good faith reporting of a crime in the pursuit of justice.

But that's still an attenuated case that would be hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, especially to a DC jury, even if such a criminal charge survived a motion to dismiss.

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I was laser focused on the "conspiracy to defraud" angle for like forever. However to make this case stick, the gov must have overwhelming evidence they knowingly feed false info to the FBI. Unfortunately, we haven't seen anything yet that fits that legal criteria.

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As bad as I hate the left, ESPECIALLY the CLINTONS, and the swamp in general, I'm not sure how you defraud or lead the most powerful law enforcement organization on the planet, on a wild goose chase unless the FBI was a willing participant.

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I think that is the key though. This is FBI's get out of jail free card. They know their reputation has been destroyed by all of this. So if they can help Durham pin it on a few rogue actors from the outside offering up a fraudulent conspiracy theory to force the FBI to investigate, it makes the FBI seem like the victim instead of the perp. Hopefully Sussman and whoever else they go after on the outside will help Durham aim the guilty arrow back in house with the FBI's senior leadership...and in my pipe dreams all the way over to CNN at John Brennan and his ex CIA buddies.

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Statute of limitations needs to be disposed of for politicians. Like the Spartan post-service trial, it might make them a bit more self-aware and accountable while in office.

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Or statute of limitations begins after they no longer hold any elected office. Wonder how many politicians would limit their terms willingly.

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Saw this article from Real Clear Investigations this AM.
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Asked for the names of the "experts," Baker said, "I don't think I ever found out who these experts were."

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"And so what you're saying is you were the intermediary between Perkins Coie and the FBI because of your personal relationship with that attorney?" then-Rep. Mark Meadows asked.

"I believe so," Baker answered but he did so with the caveat: "You'd have to ask Michael why he came to me." . . . . . .

• Another BS answer, he knew. Sussman knows he is being thrown under the bus

For his part, Sussmann told congressional investigators that when he met with Baker, he told him "I wasn't looking for the FBI to do anything. I had no ask. I had no requests."

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Read the rest.
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From Michael Sussmann's relationship with the FBI's general counsel, Jim Baker, to Baker's friendship with David Corn of Mother Jones; from Bruce Ohr's long connection with Christopher Steele to Steele's decade-long association with Jonathan Winer, the stealthy dissemination of allegations against Trump, his businesses and his staff remains a blueprint of how Washington works.

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Every single one of these cretins should be in jail along with many others like Comey.

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I was laser focused on the "conspiracy to defraud" angle for like forever. However to make this case stick, the gov must have overwhelming evidence they knowingly feed false info to the FBI. Unfortunately, we haven't seen anything yet that fits that legal criteria.

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Here's the one piece of evidence that indicates Sussmann knew what he was telling Baker was false.

Christopher Steele testified under oath in the libel sit against him in the UK brought by the Alfa Bank owners that he had no knowledge of any connection between Trump and Alfa Bank other than what he was told by...wait for it...Sussmann.

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I get it ... we both know what really happened. But the court's version ... Steele heard it from Sussman ... who heard it from a Moscow hotel concierge ... that heard it from the grounds keeper. That dog won't hunt in a federal court without a legit paper trail or credible witnesses.

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I was laser focused on the "conspiracy to defraud" angle for like forever. However to make this case stick, the gov must have overwhelming evidence they knowingly feed false info to the FBI. Unfortunately, we haven't seen anything yet that fits that legal criteria.

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Here's the one piece of evidence that indicates Sussmann knew what he was telling Baker was false.

Christopher Steele testified under oath in the libel sit against him in the UK brought by the Alfa Bank owners that he had no knowledge of any connection between Trump and Alfa Bank other than what he was told by...wait for it...Sussmann.

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I get it ... we both know what really happened. But the court's version ... Steele heard it from Sussman ... who heard it from a Moscow hotel concierge ... that heard it from the grounds keeper. That dog won't hunt in a federal court without a legit paper trail or credible witnesses.

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Let's not forget another tell on the dossier. The misspelling of Alfa (i.e. Alpha) in the dossier multiple times. Had that been actual intelligence written by someone steeped in Russian intelligence and intimately familiar with Russia would know how to spell the largest bank in the country. It was written by Clinton's gringo's Sidney Blumenthal & Cody Shearer and attributed to Steele to try and give it credibility.

BTW, since we know it's possible to 'extend' statutes of limitations on people (Mueller did it), can't Durham use it for whomever he wants to?

Obviously, I have a desire to have it done, but it seems to be used when needed for "the bad guys", and there's certainly precedent, so why not?

Interesting take on the recent Sussman indictment. Does the mention of the "tech executive" include illegal access to illegally obtained info from government contractors who we're trying to curry favor with Clinton to get big government contracts?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/09/22/latest-durham-indictment-may-make-russiagate-the-most-corrupt-scandal-in-u-s-history-n1480603

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Sounds like lots of corruption.

Not hotel room below market rates levels of corruption. But corruption nevertheless.


All of this is just further proof that federal government not only needs downsizing, but major departments need to be separated out and HQd in different parts of country.

DC just needs to become one big Smithsonium museum of a by gone era.

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If the FBI must continue to exist it should do so from the northernmost town in Alaska. Ideally one without electricity.

Biden Security Adviser Jake Sullivan Tied to Alleged 2016 Clinton Scheme to Co-Opt CIA and FBI to Tar Trump | RealClearInvestigations https://t.co/DF1LRZEceZ

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) September 23, 2021

Sidney's legal team gets two hours to grill Eric Coomer in a deposition today in Colorado. case.

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Asked by Richard Harris of Truth and Liberty Coalition if her legal team gets to ask Mr. Coomer questions in a deposition, Powell exclaimed, "Yes, we are! I can't wait!"

Harris followed by asking, "The court is going to give you some discovery in that case?"

Sidney replied: "Yeah, actually the court in Colorado, which is the first case and that's the one Coomer brought against us, has given us a short but two-hour deposition of him before we even get to deciding what is called an 'anti-slap issue.' That's a whole other legal thing. I won't even get into it. But basically you have a right in Colorado by statute to talk about issues of national importance without being slapped with a deposition (sic)* lawsuit, which is exactly what we were doing and there's a hearing on that later this month. But we're going to get a first deposition of Mr. Coomer on September 23rd as it stands now."

She continued, "And then we get discovery in the Dominion lawsuit sometime after we file our final answer on the 24th. And that is going to be where the rubber really meets the road. We are all salivating over that."

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Link There is a video there, too.

*Believe that's a transcription error as she said "defamation" not deposition.

Interesting thread...

Revelations from the #SussmanIndictment led me to info that exposes a much bigger conspiracy!
I’ve found information that connects the Huber investigation into theft of @NSA data to Durham’s investigation of the Clinton Campaign!
It’s worse than we thought!#ButNothingsHappening pic.twitter.com/CPLLcyAsVX

— DawsonSField (@DawsonSField) September 23, 2021

@FOOL_NELSON @Larry_Beech @HansMahncke @KingMakerFT

In HPSCI Testimony-- Elias & Sussmann had the same lawyer: Nicholas McQuaid

Biden immediately put McQuaid into the DoJ and set off Grassley's spidey-senses...

McQuaid conflict? Also ties to Hunter's current lawyer. pic.twitter.com/o8XqsMll6p

— Titania (@Titania977) September 23, 2021

****ing lawyers.

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On July 13, 2021, AG Garland said that he agrees.” Recall late 2019, Durham took unusual step of advising IG Horowitz “we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication + how the FBI case was opened.” A public, final report would show if finding stands.

— Catherine Herridge (@CBS_Herridge) September 23, 2021

Love this thread. Glad to see it back from the shadows. It gives me hope that Dame Justice is still among the living and a fear of criminal consequences is still possible (if not probable). Hope "she" is on her way and "Hell is coming with her"!