Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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If they are privileged. That's not privileged.

Also, saying she wouldn't answer would be a tacit admission she did. Was in a no-win situation and didn't really hurt to admit it.
Sorry, but she's not a witness nor is she under oath. She has no duty to respond to that question. He's treating her like a witness, not counsel.
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Where did I say she has a duty to answer it? She can tell him or not him anything she wants. But there's a consequence

It doesn't help her client to fight the judge on a non-issue.
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This clown show will continue on for a loong time. Sullivan orders Sidney to file a written motion regarding his recusal within a week.
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Not listening, only following here. Do you think he baited her into that?
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Where did I say she has a duty to answer it?

It doesn't help her client to fight the judge on a non-issue.
In a situation where you care what the judge thinks? Sure. Here? His animus is so obvious, why do you care about collegiality with the Court? Different strokes.
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aggiehawg said:

This clown show will continue on for a loong time. Sullivan orders Sidney to file a written motion regarding his recusal within a week.
This won't end until December, or more likely January. Trump can't do anything while the appeal (and election litigation) will be pending in November. Sullivan is convinced Barr/Trump/Powell are all corrupt in their attempt to dismiss this case, and will just drag this out via pleadings for at least 45 more days.
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You can be non-collegial and still not do things to hurt your client. What good does it do to get into a fight with the judge over that?

I think she did what was best for Flynn. Easy to second guess here when you not there.
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Not listening, only following here. Do you think he baited her into that?
His questioning made it clear he has a personal contempt for her that is impossible for him to hide.
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Trump can pardon him. No one cares about this outside the beltway (Oh, and us nerds in F16)
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This won't end until December, or more likely January. Trump can't do anything while the appeal (and election litigation) will be pending in November. Sullivan is convinced Barr/Trump/Powell are all corrupt in their attempt to dismiss this case, and will just drag this out via pleadings for at least 45 more days.
Yep. He can't sentence him - wouldn't that lead to a filing for Writ of Habeas Corpus? Sydney said she would go to the USSC - curious what the procedure would be?
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You can be non-collegial and still not do things to hurt your client. What good does it do to get into a fight with the judge over that?

I think she did what was best for Flynn. Easy to second guess here when you not there.
Fair enough - reasonable minds can differ on that one.
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BMX Bandit said:

You can be non-collegial and still not do things to hurt your client. What good does it do to get into a fight with the judge over that?

I think she did what was best for Flynn. Easy to second guess here when you not there.
Yes, and it was a weird trap for him to spring today "I'm worried about this june 2019 letter to the AG from Powell when she hadn't been admitted yet to this case as his counsel by the court" and asking the DoJ in detail about any responses/minutes/communications made as a result.

We're all allowed to write a letter addressed to Bill Barr to my knowledge, bar card or not, even if it's about a nasty letter from our HOA. Talk about 'grasping at straws.'
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Frankly, I would have been more concerned with some of her criticism of the Court in her last filing. That was over a line I probably would not have crossed.
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Frankly, I would have been more concerned with some of her criticism of the Court in her last filing. That was over a line I probably would not have crossed.
She'll never practice before Sullivan again. Clearly, she has decided he will rule against her client likely, but has decided to just go all in (as he has).

Doesn't help our chances at her ever serving as AG, but, that was a distant prospect at best.
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Doesn't help our chances at her ever serving as AG, but, that was a distant prospect at best.
As likely as Hillary being sworn in later today.
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This is tough for a lay person (like me) to follow. For lawyers on here, what's the best guess of the ultimate outcome?

-Sullivan drags his feet and stalls as long as he is able? Then Flynn charges are dropped in January or so?

-Flynn charges stay?

-Any chance Sullivan gets impeached or disbarred for this ridiculousness? I assume not since he is a Dem.
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Doesn't help our chances at her ever serving as AG, but, that was a distant prospect at best.
As likely as Hillary being sworn in later today.
So...50/50?
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jac4 said:

This is tough for a lay person (like me) to follow. For lawyers on here, what's the best guess of the ultimate outcome?

-Sullivan drags his feet and stalls as long as he is able? Then Flynn charges are dropped in January or so?

-Flynn charges stay?

-Any chance Sullivan gets impeached or disbarred for this ridiculousness? I assume not since he is a Dem.
Sullivan has screwed this case up procedurally. Then DC Circuit en banc allowed him to do so by jumping on representations made by Sullivan's counsel that he likely would grant the motion to dismiss, claims she walked back later but the DC Circuit didn't care and hung their hat on that and gave the case back to a seriously compromised judge.

Sullivan is far too erratic to be able to predict what he'll do but I suspect he'll take it under advisement and sit on it until another petition for a writ of mandamus is filed.
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Sullivan referencing "there's no brady material here, everything the defendant complains about, he did receive, wouldn't it have been more appropriate to file a motion for reconsideration/new theory?"

Casual thread readers; he's going to convict and sentence Flynn (in early November, after the 3rd), and then suspend the sentence pending appeal. It will probably not be vacated by Jan 1, so Trump will pardon either way the election goes, in his last 2 weeks.

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Now just happens to have stroks (sp) letter with him. They are all in it...
You can't tell me that wasn't planned.
Can I go to sleep Looch?
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Why doesn't Barr just come out and say, "Judge Sullivan, we have requested an IG review this case from the very beginning and since you have made yourself a party in this case, we have asked the NSA to provide the IG with all communications you have had since this case has begun. We have nothing to hide, would you like to proceed?"
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Someone needs to take this mf'er down when this is over for what he's done to Flynn.

Disbarment, civil suit, the works.
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Why doesn't Barr just come out and say, "Judge Sullivan, we have requested an IG review this case from the very beginning and since you have made yourself a party in this case, we have asked the NSA to provide the IG with all communications you have had since this case has begun. We have nothing to hide, would you like to proceed?"
Because it will never happen and Sullivan knows it.
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I have a massive headache now. Sullivan is acting more as counsel presenting arguments as opposed asking probing questions on the interpretation of the applicable law.

For instance now Sullivan is back to Trump's tweets and what weight he should accord those. Really?
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Why doesn't Barr just come out and say, "Judge Sullivan, we have requested an IG review this case from the very beginning and since you have made yourself a party in this case, we have asked the NSA to provide the IG with all communications you have had since this case has begun. We have nothing to hide, would you like to proceed?"
Because it will never happen and Sullivan knows it.
Are you having as hard of a time listening to this BS and trying to follow what is real and what is just made up out of thin air?
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EFFFFF this guy

He and Sullivan both, the only supposition allowed is negatively attributed to Flynn
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Yep. I expect this in Mississippi state court - not Federal. It's embarrassing for our system.
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Did he really say it is pretextual? Doesn't that mean it should be dismissed?
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Yep. I expect this in Mississippi state court - not Federal. It's embarrassing for our system.
Granted I haven't practiced in federal court for a looonng time but I have never heard of a judge who was this combative and going off on tangents having no bearing on the issue of the Rule 48(a) unopposed motion.

Just wondered if the courts had changed that much since I retired.
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Gleeson editorializing.
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No audio anymore
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Did he really say it is pretextual? Doesn't that mean it should be dismissed?
No Gleeson said the DOJ's reasons supporting the MTD are not real, they are pretext and that's why Sullivan should deny.

Feed just stopped for me.
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Granted I haven't practiced in federal court for a looonng time but I have never heard of a judge who was this combative and going off on tangents having no bearing on the issue of the Rule 48(a) unopposed motion.

Just wondered if the courts had changed that much since I retired.
I've had a federal magistrate go off a bit and attack me personally (had to do with the jurisdiction and his belief my office had poached a client from a local firm). But the District Court judges have remained professional. Sullivan is a clown.
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another feed

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aggiehawg said:

VegasAg86 said:




Did he really say it is pretextual? Doesn't that mean it should be dismissed?
No Gleeson said the DOJ's reasons supporting the MTD are not real, they are pretext and that's why Sullivan should deny.

Feed just stopped for me.
lol, so "what is our goal, to get him to lie?" isn't real?

What a clown show.

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