Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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rubin is world class stupid. it has to be intentional because most of her takes are mind-blowingly wrong.
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If I understand (?), Judge Sullivan has a deadline of the 29th for the mandamus hearing and or dismiss or rule on Flynn's case. If I have that right...is that the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?
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The hearing is the 29th. There are no deadlines.
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whatthehey78 said:

If I understand (?), Judge Sullivan has a deadline of the 29th for the mandamus hearing and or dismiss or rule on Flynn's case. If I have that right...is that the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?
29th for the hearing. He can rule from the bench, opinion to follow or just take the issue under advisement for a ruling and an opinion later.

I expect the latter. He won't release Flynn, if at all, before the election, IMO.

ETA: Flynn is still under court travel restrictions and a form of gag order. Sidney can speak for him but he has some restrictions and nothing would make Sullivan happier than throwing him in jail for violating that order.
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Okay...one more time, the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?????? Next Tuesday or a month from now? TIA!
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I think Soros et.al runs the dnc. But that is a whole other thread
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will25u said:

Pretty bad take. But Rubin is a mouthpiece for the DNC.


Just for giggles, watch when Tucker had her on. She is a moron of the highest order
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whatthehey78 said:

Okay...one more time, the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?????? Next Tuesday or a month from now? TIA!
lol, oops. September.
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VegasAg86 said:

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Okay...one more time, the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?????? Next Tuesday or a month from now? TIA!
lol, oops. September.
Winner...Winner...Chicken Dinner! Thanks!
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whatthehey78 said:

Okay...one more time, the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?????? Next Tuesday or a month from now? TIA!
I vote September 29th
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The IG

I dont understand how he came to the conclusion that there was no evidence of bias in the FBI or SC investigations.

Would someone have had to to email explicitly and say "with repect to my bias against the president i want to investigate and convict Flynn".

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whatthehey78 said:

Okay...one more time, the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?????? Next Tuesday or a month from now? TIA!
TUESDAY! OF NEXT WEEK.

Just razzing you. DOJ, Sidney and the execrable Gleeson had given Sh** head Sullivan several dates for the hearing. The last date they listed as agreeable was 29th...which is of course the one Sullivan chose in his Minute Order setting the hearing. (Yet another example of his bad faith.)
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pacecar02 said:

The IG

I dont understand how he came to the conclusion that there was no evidence of bias in the FBI or SC investigations.

Would someone have had to to email explicitly and say "with repect to my bias against the president i want to investigate and convict Flynn".


Pretty much. The actual statement was they had no testimony or documents to show evidence of bias.
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pacecar02 said:

The IG

I dont understand how he came to the conclusion that there was no evidence of bias in the FBI or SC investigations.

Would someone have had to to email explicitly and say "with repect to my bias against the president i want to investigate and convict Flynn".


I actually think a lot was hidden from Horowitz, very successfully by Team Mueller. They put that stuff so far down the memory hole it has taken a long time to resurface. Well, not resurface but rather be ferreted out.

Clear that Wray never made that a priority on any level and allowed the deception to continue. There were some FBI computer shenanigans.
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aggiehawg said:

whatthehey78 said:

Okay...one more time, the 29th of Sept. or Oct.?????? Next Tuesday or a month from now? TIA!
TUESDAY! OF NEXT WEEK.

Just razzing you. DOJ, Sidney and the execrable Gleeson had given Sh** head Sullivan several dates for the hearing. The last date they listed as agreeable was 29th...which is of course the one Sullivan chose in his Minute Order setting the hearing. (Yet another example of his bad faith.)
A Federal Judge with unjustified "attitude" and laughable, temperament of a spoiled 3 yr old. Can only hope going forward, he becomes a laughing stock among the Judiciary, reputable law schools and every court house in America.

Thanks for your reply/feedback. Much appreciated!
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If Trump doesn't win then this all goes away.
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And they are going to fight like hell to make sure it goes away. This is what scares me about this election. They will do anything not to lose. We have to vote and win in #'s that are insurmountable.
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cap-n-jack said:

And they are going to fight like hell to make sure it goes away. This is what scares me about this election. They will do anything not to lose. We have to vote and win in #'s that are insurmountable.
Yep, 380,000,000 of 'em...
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FriscoKid said:

If Trump doesn't win then this all goes away.

That is the same thought I have. Trump needs a second term.
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ccatag said:

FriscoKid said:

If Trump doesn't win then this all goes away.

That is the same thought I have. Trump needs a second term.
Agreed. The USA and the Constitution needs President Trump second term.
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Don't know if useful, but informative

It's just an interview with Powell with Tom Homan and Nick Freitas at the Washington Examiner.


Is it difficult to embed retweets? Powell retweeted a Molly McCann tweet stating the whole shebang next Tuesday will be on a Video Teleconference. Now, it's likely I screwed up, but I still get a "blockquote" on the embed. So if anyone can embed the McCann/Powell retweet, and wants to see it, have at it. I don't think it's that big of a deal, but you legals can tell us.
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Two things:

A) With everything that has come out regarding Agent Barnett saying he wanted off the case and that cases still stayed open even after other agents expressed concern of these cases.

B) Obama directly says, "make sure you have the right people on the case"

How is that not direct evidence that Obama was directly involved/ if not completely orchestrating the entire coup from the WH?
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Just effing do it already.

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TacosaurusRex said:

Just effing do it already.


Antifa and KKK being labeled?
Who is John Galt?

2026
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Yeah, Jen, just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Idiot.
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SexyAg said:

TacosaurusRex said:

Just effing do it already.


Antifa and KKK being labeled?
Connecting dots?? Did someone say, "connecting dots?" Do I need to make a pot of coffee?
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"If you are reading this, I have passed on from this world — not as big a deal for you as it was for me."
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https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/09/25/dept-of-justice-inspector-general-investigating-circumstances-of-roger-stone-sentencing-dispute/

Interesting read from Shipwreckedcrew...about Aaron Zelinsky, one of Mueller's prosecutors involved in the Roger Stone case.
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"If you are reading this, I have passed on from this world — not as big a deal for you as it was for me."
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That's just a summary of the documents from yesterday.
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Good thread by a FBI Agent about the process Barnett was going through.

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I'm sure there are a lot of good people in the FBI because it's a large organization, but I don't believe any information they put out at this point. About anything. It's still obviously being run by a crook, and liars for several layers beneath him.

Here's a piece by Andrew McCarthy today that nicely summarizes a lot of what we learned this week;

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See if you can follow this: In an effort to depict Donald Trump as if he were in an espionage conspiracy with the Kremlin, the Obama administration used bogus information, from a man the FBI suspected was an actual Russian spy, to brand as a suspected Russian spy a former U.S. naval intelligence officer who had actually been a CIA informant.

Your head spinning? Mine too.

And that's just the beginning. It turns out that Igor Danchenko, the man the FBI suspected of being an actual Russian spy, initially provided the bogus information about the American, Carter Page, through a former British spy, Christopher Steele. Through a couple of cut-outs, Steele had been retained by the Clinton campaign to dig up or, alas, to make up Russian dirt on Trump. Through his private intelligence business in London, Steele was known to be working for Russians oligarchs, while Danchenko was on Steele's payroll. That is, the Clinton campaign, and ultimately the Obama administration, colluded with Russians for the purpose of accusing Donald Trump of . . . yes . . . colluding with Russians.

Danchenko, who in 2005 reportedly told a Russian intelligence officer that he hoped someday to work for the Russian government, became Steele's source on Trump. Even before October 2016, when the FBI and the Obama Justice Department first sought a surveillance warrant against Page based on the information Steele was compiling, it was obvious that the information was unreliable some of it laughably so.

But the story was just too good. Nobody bothered to check the information or press Steele about its sourcing.

For months, Steele had been logged on bureau records as an official FBI informant. Nevertheless, in the most significant investigation in its modern history, the FBI did not identify Steele's "primary sub-source," Danchenko, until December 2016 two months after the bureau, under oath, used the uncorroborated Steele/Danchenko information in what the FBI and Obama Justice Department labeled a "VERIFIED" application to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC).

Wait, there's more. The FBI could easily have figured out Danchenko was Steele's source months earlier. So why do it in December 2016? Because by then, they had no choice. It had become necessary a few weeks earlier to boot Steele out of the investigation at least ostensibly. That's because he had been outed publicly as a media source for information about his investigation of Trump.

The public outing of Steele (in a Mother Jones article by David Corn, shortly before the 2016 election) should have come as no surprise. It had been obvious since at least September, when information from Steele was published in a Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, that Steele had been leaking to the media in order to help the Clinton campaign. Yet, the bureau repeatedly represented under oath to the FISC four times between October 2016 through June 2017 that "the FBI does not believe that [Steele] directly provided this information [in the Isikoff article] to the press."

To the contrary, as the Justice Department Inspector General (IG) found, there was considerable FBI suspicion that Steele was Isikoff's source. Moreover, the FBI had continuous access to Steele. Note: I said (above) that Steele was ostensiblykicked out of the investigation. In reality, the bureau continued to get information from Steele through Justice Department official Bruce Ohr (though neither the FBI nor the Justice Department revealed that fact to the FISC). Still, as the IG concluded, no one at the FBI ever asked Steele if he was the source for the Isikoff article. Obviously, they didn't want to know the answer that way, they could just keep insisting to court that they didn't believe he was the source.
That doesn't even scratch the surface of deceit.

When FBI agents interviewed Danchenko for three days in January 2017, they learned, undeniably, that Steele's story about his source "network" the story the bureau and the Justice Department told the FISC again and again was a risible distortion. Steele did not have a network of sources; he had Danchenko.

In turn, Danchenko had a motley collection of drinking buddies, a grifter, a girlfriend, and an anonymous source Danchenko cannot identify. And, as Eric Felton recounts in infuriatingly hilarious detail, none of these sub-sources could actually vouch for anything they heard, or wildly speculated, about Trump and Russia.

The "Well-Developed Conspiracy of Cooperation"
On this score, we can't let pass the opportunity to describe what Stele and, ultimately, the FBI portentously describe as a "close associate" of Trump's who asserted that the candidate-turned-president was in a "well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" with the regime of Vladimir Putin.

Danchenko told FBI agents that a man he labeled "Source 6" was "this guy" whom he thinks but is not sure he once talked to on the phone for "about 10 minutes." In a Thai restaurant, you see, Danchenko ran into a U.S. journalist he managed to chat up about Trump and Russia. The journalist told Danchenko he was "skeptical" because "nothing substantive had turned up" tying the two together. But the journalist referred Danchenko to a "colleague," who advised Danchenko to talk to "this guy" via email. Danchenko took the email address and tried to reach "this guy" but didn't get a reply.

Weeks later, though, Danchenko got a call from an anonymous Russian who never identified himself. Danchenko assumed it was "this guy" . . . but he can't say for sure. So, Danchenko simply labeled the presumed "this guy" as "Source 6," with whom he had a brief "general discussion about Trump and the Kremlin" supposedly having "an ongoing relationship."

It was left to Steele, the old intel pro, to turn this sow's ear into a silk purse. By the time the craftsman was done "summarizing" Danchenko's unverifiable, anonymously sourced gossip, "this guy" had evolved from Danchenko's "Source 6" to Steele's "Source E," depicted as "an ethnic Russian and close associate of . . . Donald TRUMP," who had "admitted" that "there was a well-developed conspiracy of cooperation" between the Trump campaign and Russian leadership (emphasis added). Indeed, according to Steele, "Source E" had even "acknowledged" that Russia was "behind the recent leak of embarrassing e-mail messages, emanating from the Democratic National Committee [DNC], to the WikiLeaks platform" a storyline that just happened to be all over the media at that point.

As the IG has found, Steele's allegation that Page was part of a "well-developed conspiracy" of cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, as well as the claim that Russia released the DNC emails in an effort to swing the 2016 election to Trump, were central to the surveillance application by the FBI and Obama Justice Department, and to the FISC's issuance of surveillance warrants.

And now we know, the liberal inflation of unsubstantiated indeed, unattributable rumor into purported probable cause that the now-president of the United States was a Kremlin mole is not the half of it.

Why Are We Just Hearing This Now?
Once the FBI identified Danchenko as Steele's source, agents soon realized he was the same man the FBI had investigated as a suspected Russian spy six years earlier. You can't even make this up, so I'm not it is in a letter and accompanying FBI report, transmitted on Thursday from Attorney General Bill Barr to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.).

It is mind-boggling that this information has been withheld from the public for years, despite congressional efforts to pry it from the FBI and Justice Department since 2017 (when Republicans controlled the House).
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LOL. He repeated this several times.

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Now Aaron Zelinsky and the other three trial team prosecutors FOUR of them to handle a case lasting FOUR days and involving only FIVE witnesses will have their decision-making in coming up with their Sentencing Statement scrutinized.
It is ludicrous that a single attorney didn't handle the Stone case. Five witnesses? Over four days? Pffft.
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aggiehawg said:

LOL. He repeated this several times.

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Now Aaron Zelinsky and the other three trial team prosecutors FOUR of them to handle a case lasting FOUR days and involving only FIVE witnesses will have their decision-making in coming up with their Sentencing Statement scrutinized.
It is ludicrous that a single attorney didn't handle the Stone case. Five witnesses? Over four days? Pffft.
Yes, Zelinsky is just a low grade moron, not too worried about that.

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The IG investigation will also likely address the issue raised by Attorney General Barr in his recent speech at Hillsdale College when he made it clear that in his view of the organizational structure of DOJ line prosecutors all work for the Attorney General, and they have to answer to supervisors who are political appointees for their actions. They are not "independent operators" who are above being second-guessed or given direction simply because someone hangs the title "career prosecutor" around their necks.
The concern I have are all of these rogue politicians posing as prosecutors in the DoJ. It wasn't just team witch-hunt.

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A sitting federal prosecutor spoke out against Attorney General William Barr, saying he has "brought shame" on the Department of Justice (DOJ).

James Herbert, an assistant U.S. attorney for the District of Massachusetts, said he was compelled to issue the stunning rebuke Thursday over concerns Barr was politicizing the Justice Department.

"While I am a federal prosecutor, I am writing to express my own views, clearly not those of the department, on a matter that should concern all citizens: the unprecedented politicization of the office of the attorney general," Herbert wrote in The Boston Globe. "The attorney general acts as though his job is to serve only the political interests of Donald J. Trump. This is a dangerous abuse of power."

Herbert cited Barr's summary of the Mueller report downplaying its findings in the Russia investigation and remarks echoing debunked claims from President Trump over concerns about widespread fraud in mail-in ballots to argue that the attorney general's using the DOJ to further the White House's political interests.

"William Barr has done the president's bidding at every turn. For 30 years I have been proud to say I work for the Department of Justice, but the current attorney general has brought shame on the department he purports to lead," Herbert wrote.
I'm so old I remember when Eric Holder bragged about being Obama's wingman, on things like Ferguson, gun running to Mexico, and political prosecutions in general of anything that could amp up racial divisions (or dropping prosecutions, like with the black panther voter intimidation case). Back then, no heroic USA's or AUSA's spoke up, to my recollection, about how troubled they were with a real politicization of the DoJ, nor did they when Hillary was running rampant at State with Comey covering her flank.
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I'm so old I remember when Eric Holder bragged about being Obama's wingman, on things like Ferguson, gun running to Mexico, and political prosecutions in general of anything that could amp up racial divisions (or dropping prosecutions, like with the black panther voter intimidation case). Back then, no heroic USA's or AUSA's spoke up, to my recollection, about how troubled they were with a real politicization of the DoJ, nor did they when Hillary was running rampant at State with Comey covering her flank.
Well said. The hypocrisy is rampant. And what is truly amazing to me is how thin-skinned these people are. Takes very little to get them to off on an unhinged rant.

See the Lanny Davis twitter melt I posted. He's an old seasoned political pro but has lost whatever political instinct he used to have.
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