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Does this potentially mean Weissman will be having a very very long federally mandated quarantine?

As a non-legal simpleton, what all charges could he be looking at?

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That email was a government record. So at the very least tampering with government records but the recent revelation that the Carter Page Woods file was "missing" and recreated by Team Mueller is a target rich environment for multiple charges.

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One of the pundits linked in this thread after the Clinesmith plea noted Clinesmith was sure to bloody the hands of everyone involved by including the actual email for all of them to see.

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That email was a government record. So at the very least tampering with government records but the recent revelation that the Carter Page Woods file was "missing" and recreated by Team Mueller is a target rich environment for multiple charges.

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Ms. Hawg as Maverick!

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I don't see how Durham CAN forget Ukraine, it's an integral part of this whole thing, which leads right back to the Biden family.

This damned thing is so interwoven into other investigations, I think it's going to end up as one big, giant, investigation. I'm not saying that Yovanovitch was doing this work on her own, but she had to have orders from on high, whomever that may be. One thing I'm certain of, is that Chalupa was involved in all of the Ukraine crap.

I also don't believe this will be finished before the election. About one month ago, I couldn't see how it would extend beyond November 3rd, but now I'm pretty sure it's going to go past that. Plus, some of the voting fraud is likely being run by some of the same actors, at least at the top.

What do some of these folks have to lose?

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I've been beating the RICO drum for over a year on this, time to take down the DNC mob.

This is why I absolutely adore you!

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This is why I absolutely adore you!

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LOL.

Serious note, really appreciate your insights mixed in with great sense of humor.

Well quit saying it to just the bozos on this forum, make a Twitter account and @thosewhocanhammer. Wrap this crap up so the bozos on this board can gloriously rejoice.

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I don't see how Durham CAN forget Ukraine, it's an integral part of this whole thing, which leads right back to the Biden family.

This damned thing is so interwoven into other investigations, I think it's going to end up as one big, giant, investigation. I'm not saying that Yovanovitch was doing this work on her own, but she had to have orders from on high, whomever that may be. One thing I'm certain of, is that Chalupa was involved in all of the Ukraine crap.

I also don't believe this will be finished before the election. About one month ago, I couldn't see how it would extend beyond November 3rd, but now I'm pretty sure it's going to go past that. Plus, some of the voting fraud is likely being run by some of the same actors, at least at the top.

What do some of these folks have to lose?

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I agree with this not being completed before the election. The depth and breadth of this has not yet delivered Barr and Durham a clear path to successfully prosecute. The resistance has elements still entrenched (ie: Wray and others) that are actively and passively weighing down the discovery of the truth. Durham

It is a race for time. For the resistance to defeat Trump and for Barr and Durham to have a extension of time. IMO a extension of time will mark the beginning of the end. The resistance can be crushed.

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Second, the Travel Act concerns what's known as a "predicate crime" or "predicate act of racketeering." When prosecutors try to neutralize a criminal organization, the objective is to establish the existence of a racketeering enterprise (under RICO, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act of 1971). This requires proving a pattern of racketeering activity, which (by statute) means at least two predicate acts. Thus, a single Travel Act violation can get you halfway home. Plus, as a practical matter, many if not most Travel Act cases involve multiple instances of cross-border travel and/or uses of interstate facilities. The Travel Act is a rich vein of racketeering activity.

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Yeeee Haaaw!

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You're going to have to Hawgsplain this one for us please, milady.

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I love this term, in no small part because it is exactly what I look for on this thread.

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Gee, is this show aggiehawg some love day? Did I miss a memo?

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Gee, is this show aggiehawg some love day? Did I miss a memo?

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I don't think so.

I think it's a combination of it being Friday, and Friday rhymes with Scotch and Martini, so everyone seems to be happy.

EXPEDITE

they took McCarthy's advice. Great news.

So what is the significance of this?

Sorry, it was actually shipwreckedcrew, who is a bit more even-headed about this process, imho.

I think it is helpful in forcing Sullivan's hand.

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Gen. Flynn and DOJ should force the Court to enter Orders directed to amicus counsel in a way that isolates Judge Gleeson as a non-party, or force Judge Sullivan to treat him as a de facto party rather than simply an advisor to the Court.

Further, they should file the Joint Status Report tomorrow, not 3 weeks from now. The Joint Status Report should take the position that briefing is complete, no sur-replies are needed and incorporate all the briefs filed in the Circuit Court. Judge Sullivan can't claim he needs additional time to review them he responded to them in the Circuit Court. The briefing in the Circuit Court should also be deemed the Partys' response to non-Court appointed amicus counsel who have filed briefs.

With regard to the hearing, the Joint Status Report should explicitly state that neither PARTY intends to present evidence outside the written record already made hell the Joint Status Report could take the position that no hearing is needed and the motion should be resolved on the written submissions.

The Report should force Judge Sullivan to himself state that he intends to conduct an evidentiary hearing or to concede that he does not intend to do so. Yesterday's opinion called attention to the fact that Judge Sullivan's counsel during oral argument stated that no evidentiary hearing was planned, and that weighed against the Government's argument of irreparable harm based on the potential that Judge Sullivan would invade the province of DOJ's decision-making process by seeking to examine government witnesses under oath. The Parties should force Judge Sullivan to commit that to the record, or advise them of his intentions to the contrary now.

As for the hearing date, the Parties should offer September 22, 23, and 24.
This would FORCE Judge Sullivan to slow-walk this case, if that is his intention, for the sole benefit of himself and amicus counsel, which would seem to go against the admonishment by the Circuit Court that he act "with dispatch."

Gen. Flynn's counsel should also take a hard look at trying to force Judge Sullivan to move on the pending motion to withdraw his guilty plea. That matter has now sat dormant while the case has proceeded along on the DOJ motion to dismiss. Both should be pushed simultaneously.

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Sullivan's attempted delay tactic is thwarted. Of note, even Gleeson has been consulted and is on board with this. (That's the court appointed amicus.) Sullivan is blocked procedurally and if he continues to play stupid games, they will mandamus him again. And this time the DC Circuit will be out of excuses.

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Never. Methinks you underestimate the creativity, or should I say deceitfulness, of the liberals on the DC Circuit. The only controlling legal principle to the left is that Trump, his people, and any other conservative should always lose.

Remember, these are the same folks that believe that the actual words of the Constitution are essentially meaningless, if not outright racist, and should be ignored whenever they become impediments to the "noble" goals of the left. If they can so easily disregard the Constitution, what is a mere precedent, rule or statute to them?

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I meant they can't hide behind a procedural issue and would have to do some real damage to Srinivasan's Fokker opinion.

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Never. Methinks you underestimate the creativity, or should I say deceitfulness, of the liberals on the DC Circuit. The only controlling legal principle to the left is that Trump, his people, and any other conservative should always lose.

Remember, these are the same folks that believe that the actual words of the Constitution are essentially meaningless, if not outright racist, and should be ignored whenever they become impediments to the "noble" goals of the left. If they can so easily disregard the Constitution, what is a mere precedent, rule or statute to them?

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I meant they can't hide behind a procedural issue and would have to do some real damage to Srinivasan's Fokker opinion.

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Honest question, do you think precedent, or stare decisis mean anything at all to the Obama judges in political cases as here?

On the 1st, 4 are Obama judges, 3 are Clinton; that's a clear majority (Henderson is retiring/out and won't hear any new appeals, as well). Srinivasan (and Garland, in truth) is obviously the adult in the room, but I can't at this point view the circuit as having any integrity.

Teleconference?

September 29th? That's not exactly moving along, is it?

Perhaps I should be thankful it's in the same month as Sullivan set the scheduled motion!

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Never. Methinks you underestimate the creativity, or should I say deceitfulness, of the liberals on the DC Circuit. The only controlling legal principle to the left is that Trump, his people, and any other conservative should always lose.

Remember, these are the same folks that believe that the actual words of the Constitution are essentially meaningless, if not outright racist, and should be ignored whenever they become impediments to the "noble" goals of the left. If they can so easily disregard the Constitution, what is a mere precedent, rule or statute to them?

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I meant they can't hide behind a procedural issue and would have to do some real damage to Srinivasan's Fokker opinion.

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Honest question, do you think precedent, or stare decisis mean anything at all to the Obama judges in political cases as here?

On the 1st, 4 are Obama judges, 3 are Clinton; that's a clear majority (Henderson is retiring/out and won't hear any new appeals, as well). Srinivasan (and Garland, in truth) is obviously the adult in the room, but I can't at this point view the circuit as having any integrity.

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Srinivasan is currently the Chief Judge on the DC Circuit. Fokker is a 2016 decision that he authored. Is he prepared to wreak havoc on his own reasoning and legal ruling? Maybe. Then again explaining how wrong you were isn't a pleasant task for an appellate judge, either.

Isn't this exactly what Flynn and the DOJ asked for in their motion to expedite? I think the 29th was the latest date they said they could attend?

Or am I missing something?

Oh, believe me, it's highly likely I missed something, which is why I was asking.

I took a quick look, and it appeared to be nearly a month away. Mainly, I was *****ing because it seemed like the 29th of September wasn't an "expedite" of the court.

I apologize.

They asked for the 23rd, 24th, 28th or 29th. He gave them the 29th. Passive aggressive move IMO.

Sullivan is making a case for going down in history as the all time worst federal judge in history. I don't think he's ready to rest his case yet.

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Sullivan is making a case for going down in history as the all time worst federal judge in history. I don't think he's ready to rest his case yet.

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Well he has worst jerk of the year 2020 sewed up and that was against some pretty intense competition.

Bet he doesn't even rule until after the election results are finally known, either. Nakedly political ruling.

Some more to unpack here regarding the Woods file.

Start with Shipwrecked crew and he's going off of Sara Carter's reporting.

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I've watched this story for 72 hours to see if anything new might develop.

On September 1, 2020, journalist Sarah Carter broke a story based on confidential sources that in a briefing of the Senate Intelligence Committee, the FBI and Department of Justice informed the committee that the "Woods File" for the Carter Page FISA application had been somehow "lost" at some unknown point in time. She reported that the Committee was told that the contents of the file had been "recreated" by the Robert Mueller's Special Counsel office by "reverse engineering" my words through examining the application and determining what factual allegations would have required supporting documentation normally contained in a "Woods File".

I have not seen any other news outlet report this story, so all I have at this point is Carter's story which she attributes to "sources familiar with the proceedings" before the Intelligence Committee.

As a refresher readers should understand that the "Woods File" is a process by which the FBI case agent on a FISA application documents a source for every factual allegation set forth in the application. It is named after a member of the FBI General Counsel's Office who first devised the validation process as part of reforms to the FISA process put in place by Robert Mueller when he was Director of the FBI.

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The original Woods file on former campaign advisor Carter Page went missing more than two years ago, and according to sources who spoke to SaraACarter.com, those documents had to be recreated by the FBI and former Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team in 2018 from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Application used by the bureau to obtain the warrant on Page.
The woods file procedure, which was overseen by FBI Supervisory Special Agent Joe Pientka, and ultimately former FBI Deputy Assistant Director Peter Strzok, was used to verify the contents in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act application that was used to obtain a warrant to spy on Page.

Moreover, during Pientka's numerous interviews with investigators from the DOJ's Inspector General's office, who likely have worked for both Michael Horowitz and Connecticut prosecutor John Durham the fact that it was a recreated Wood's file was never disclosed.

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Where to begin?

How about with the "disappearance" of an electronic file in a system where nothing disappears. The Woods File is a subfile in the investigation's case file. It is created by the Case Agent by scanning in the documentary sources used as the basis to make factual allegation in the affidavit.

The purpose of having the file is so that when third parties supervisors, subsequent case agents, other agencies who review the affidavit and have questions about a particular allegation, they can go to the Woods File and find the specific documents from which the allegation was sourced. The file is not intended to "prove" the allegation true only that the allegation has a source, and what that source is.

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Way back when Sidney first took over Flynn's case, she was screaming about how electronic records (like the original 302 on Flynn) could have disappeared like Van Grack claimed they didn't exist. The Sentinel system used by DOJ/FBI should have a record of when the file was tampered with and by whom. An electronic signature of what was removed or altered. Needless to say, tampering not only with the records themselves but hacking (meaning without legal authorization) into the FBI/DOJ's document control computer system is a large felony in and of itself.

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The IG Report on Four FISAs pirouettes around this question on Page 219 in the following fashion:

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On June 29, 2017, a day before FISA coverage on Carter Page was going to expire, and at the request of the FBI, the Department filed an application with the FISC requesting an additional 90 days of FISA coverage targeting Carter Page.

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Well, that was stating the obvious to say the least. Of course, the FBI requested it the FBI obtained the original FISA and the FBI had been accessing records and other information on Page through the FISA. And saying "the Department filed an application" is equally unenlightening because only the "Department" can file such an application. But the Report does have the following "pregnant" footnote:

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And this brings us to a critical issue did SCO review the original application and first two extensions, compare the allegations in the applications against the Woods File, and realize the scope of the problems? Were these problems known before the third extension was sought under the authority of the SCO?

How does the Woods File stored electronically in the FBI's Sentinel database get "lost"? And at what point in time did the SCO decide it was necessary to "reconstruct" a replacement Woods File by reverse engineering it through analyzing the applications to determine the specific factual allegations needed source documentation other than the Steele Memos in order to justify their inclusion in the third application to extend.

Was the ACTUAL Woods File so lacking or so dependent on the allegations of the Steele Memos that someone in the SCO realized it was a "ticking time bomb" waiting to be uncovered once an authorized investigator was given the responsibility to sort things out?

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Further, in March 2017, Case Agent 1 and Case Agent 6 conducted five voluntary interviews with Carter Page. During those interviews, Carter Page provided the following: information about his July and December 2016 trips to Moscow; individuals he denied meeting to include Igor Sechin and Paul Manafort; a trip to Singapore in February 2017 for Gazprom Investor Day; and his lack of involvement in the Republican National Committee's (RNC) platform change on assistance to Ukraine. Carter Page also discussed his contacts with Gazprom, his assumption that he was under FBI surveillance, and he denied that anyone from Russia asked him to relay any messages to anyone in the campaign.

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When it came time for the second extension of the Page FISA warrant in April 2017, Case Agent 6 had a substantial body of knowledge concerning Page, as well as information calling into question the allegations about Page being a Russian "agent" as alleged in the Steele Memos.

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New kid on the block sees there is a huge problem. Now for the cover-up.

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And now we have Sara Carter's report that the "Woods File" for the Page FISA application was at some undetermined point in time "recreated" by the Special Counsel's Office after the original file was "lost" in an electronic database that doesn't "lose" things.

Mueller's prosecutors supervised the application for the third extension of the Page FISA warrant. They knew that Clinesmith worked hand-in-hand with Case Agent 6 and SSA 2 on putting together that extension application. Mueller's prosecutors knew of Page's denials about having been involved with Russian intelligence agents which he made in interviews with Case Agent 6, and which were well documented in the Crossfire Hurricane files.

Case Agent 6 had interviewed Page multiple times in March 2017, had reviewed the Page Profile prepared by the FBI about Page's prior reporting TO THE FBI about his contacts with the CIA, and had reviewed the CIA memorandum from August 2016 in which the CIA explained to the Crossfire Hurricane team the nature and extent of Page's history with the CIA.

Case Agent 6 knew the problems with respect to the "sourcing" in the Steele Memos because he was fully briefed, and had read the 57 page EC on the January 2017 interview with Steele's primary sub-source, Igor Danchenko, who had undermined much of the information in the Memos that Steele attributed to him.

To COVER ALL THIS UP after the Mueller Prosecutors had signed off on seeking the third extension, the cut loose Clinesmith in the Report because they knew by that time of his falsification of the CIA email, the Mueller Prosecutors then "reverse engineered" the Woods File so it would appear to have been much more complete than it had been when the third extension was approved by the Mueller Prosecutors. It is impossible to know now whether the "recreated" Woods File is a "fair and accurate" representation of the Woods File as it existed in June 2017 when the Mueller Prosecutors approved the third application for a FISA extension.

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Don't need to be a legal genius to figure out the number of felonies committed by a number of Team Mueller members is huge.

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Maverick, reporting for duty.

Wow!

So, according to everything I've heard and read about Sentinel, every single time someone uses the system, there's a "finger print". Like most here, I'm just a little jaded, and expect passwords other than an FBI agent/Mueller attorney to have been used to gain access to Sentinel.

If that's the case, there should be a fairly easy resolution by finding who opened they system, unless there's a situation like Samantha Power's "what me? I didn't unmask nobody. I'm innocent".