Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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In reply to benchmark • 7:30p, 5/17/20
I've wondered about Durham's ability to tie everything together, not that he can't, but it's got to be a staggering challenge.

Also, deciding on what to charge the various players would be incredibly difficult. I assume he wants to hit them as hard as possible, to send a message,. If he goes too hard, he may not be able to get the conviction. I guess anything involving a felony would be satisfactory, as it would seriously hamper future employment for these third world wannabes.
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7:38p, 5/17/20
Very long but on point. Glenn Greenwald lays this out nicely.

I thought I would share that there are some Liberals who get it.

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In reply to fasthorse05 • 7:39p, 5/17/20
It won't matter how nice and tidy his case is. The media won't give it a fair shake and no jury will convict any player in such a grand conspiracy. Just too big to face. With no media pushing it 24/7 5ere won't be any public appetite generated. It will simply be portrayed as trump abusing his political rivals.
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7:57p, 5/17/20
Has anyone posted this, or heard about it. SIAP.

It''s pretty damned interesting.


Montgomery became alarmed when Obama and his intelligence chiefs Brennan and Clapper turned the super-surveillance system against the American people.
Montgomery asserts that Obama, Brennan, and Clapper used THE HAMMER in a diabolically intrusive manner in order to spy on the American people and collect massive amounts of surveillance data for "leverage" and "blackmail."
THE HAMMER was only to be used for foreign surveillance, not to be weaponized for domestic surveillance against the American people, according to Montgomery and to U.S. military sources.
According to those U.S. military sources, Montgomery's surveillance technology not only saved American lives as America's "War on Terror" broadened, but also featured built-in safeguards to prevent the system from ever being used for domestic surveillance.
"Multiple echelons" of government, including the FISA court, had to sign off on each and every foreign surveillance operation conducted with the use of THE HAMMER, those sources say.
Montgomery claims that Brennan and Clapper used the super-surveillance system Montgomery designed to spy on Article III federal judges, including the onetime head of the FISA court Judge Reggie Walton, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, and Chief Justice of U.S. Supreme Court John Roberts.


The Hammer
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8:22p, 5/17/20
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Lol. Anyone paying attention that can add 2+2 has known that the us government was coopted against the American people long ago, and has only served foreign interests for a long time. Bush and CLinton we're compromised decades ago. Obama was an actual plant. Drain the swamp is real. Extremely real.
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In reply to cbr • 8:27p, 5/17/20
I started not to put it out there. I have such respect for Crinum being the research beast, I just assumed he was aware of this guy. Besides, I'm not familiar with the site, or Montgomery, so I posted it to see if anyone knew about this.

The date is May 22nd, 2019.

Anyone heard of the guy. I have no doubt Comey, Clapper, and Brennan have been using some kind of system similar to this, and probably for a long time. The sentence I found really interesting was the one involving John Roberts:

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Montgomery's revelations about his super-surveillance system THE HAMMER call into question Chief Justice Robert's strange and inexplicable 2012 decision that stood in direct opposition to his own stated legal argument. At the eleventh hour, Roberts flipped and supported the individual mandate for President Obama's highly unpopular Affordable Care Act.
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In reply to BillYeoman • 8:42p, 5/17/20
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Greenwald states that the leaking of the Flynn-Kislyak phone call was not only a crime committed by the leaker, but that it was one of the few instances where it is a criminal offense for any media outlet to publish the information.

He should know about laws concerning leaking, since he was the main interviewer of Edward Snowden after Snowden stole 1.5 million documents from the NSA.

This may help explain why Yates was shocked that Obama knew about the call.
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In reply to fasthorse05 • 9:21p, 5/17/20
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I started not to put it out there. I have such respect for Crinum being the research beast, I just assumed he was aware of this guy. Besides, I'm not familiar with the site, or Montgomery, so I posted it to see if anyone knew about this.

The date is May 22nd, 2019.

Anyone heard of the guy. I have no doubt Comey, Clapper, and Brennan have been using some kind of system similar to this, and probably for a long time. The sentence I found really interesting was the one involving John Roberts:

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Montgomery's revelations about his super-surveillance system THE HAMMER call into question Chief Justice Robert's strange and inexplicable 2012 decision that stood in direct opposition to his own stated legal argument. At the eleventh hour, Roberts flipped and supported the individual mandate for President Obama's highly unpopular Affordable Care Act.
Montgomery & Klayman -- that predates our thread, >3 years old. I ran across it several times in the distant past. I spent some time on it once, but eventually decided it was likely far out stuff. Don't know about the actual significance of what he has though, but I suspect that if it was really incriminating, he would've caught a case of Arkancide by now.
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In reply to BillYeoman • 9:24p, 5/17/20
I listened to the first 1.25 hours of his talk. Sounds like he has a rather good grasp of things.
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6:35a, 5/18/20
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Is it possible for one honest investigative reporter to change the culture of a main stream news organization?



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8:57a, 5/18/20


https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/tables-turned-mueller-prosecutors-ten-actions-ripe

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.....Based on the filings and conversations with senior Trump administration sources, it now appears that U.S. Attorney John Durham's inquiry into the origins and conduct of the Russia probe is widening, and several senior U.S. officials -- Mueller prosecutors as well as top FBI leadership -- may be under scrutiny.....


We can hope the above is true. Otherwise it's a good read on the tactics/deception/misconduct of Team Mueller.
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9:08a, 5/18/20


https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/18/heres-why-judge-sullivan-cant-legally-punish-michael-flynn-for-perjury/

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...The controlling legal authority from the Supreme Court holds that contempt power cannot be used to punish people for making statements, even under oath, that the judge deems false....

Legal argument by a colleague of Professor Cleveland slamming Judge Sullivan.
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In reply to drcrinum • 9:20a, 5/18/20
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drcrinum said:


https://thefederalist.com/2020/05/18/heres-why-judge-sullivan-cant-legally-punish-michael-flynn-for-perjury/

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...The controlling legal authority from the Supreme Court holds that contempt power cannot be used to punish people for making statements, even under oath, that the judge deems false....

Legal argument by a colleague of Professor Cleveland slamming Judge Sullivan.
Like that's going to stop Sullivan...
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9:40a, 5/18/20
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Can I go to sleep Looch?
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In reply to drcrinum • 9:44a, 5/18/20
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From your link:

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Misleading Trump's lawyers about his status: On March 5, 2018, Mueller told Trump's lawyer John Dowd that the president was not a focus of the SCO probe. He was a "witness-slash-subject," said Mueller. Dowd asked: "You mean he has no exposure?" Mueller confirmed that Trump had no exposure. That was incorrect. A few months before, Mueller's top appellate lawyer Michael Dreeben was in a Manhattan court saying Trump was being investigated for obstruction of justice. The transcript of the secret court session was under seal until May 2019.
Just read that transcript. FOIA request directed to FBI regarding the Comey memos. Judge Boasberg asked Team Mueller to explain their objection to revealing the Comey memos. Dreeben appears along with a few other Mueller toadies to inform the court that even before the appointment of Mueller, there was an open obstruction of justice investigation on Trump and they were continuing that investigation. The argument was if the full extent of the Comey memos were revealed, since they are the source of the open investigation, it would unduly influence other witnesses to somehow alter their recollections. That's a valid point but only one factor to be considered.

What is not surprising is that Comey was instrumental in setting up Trump on obstruction charges. First, Crossfire Razor on Michael Flynn was opened in August 2016. Since it was a counter-intel and not a criminal case, no defensive briefing is given to Trump nor Pence at any time until January 26th of 2017 when Sally Yates meets with WH counsel over the bogus Logan Act issue regarding the Flynn/Kislyak call. Something she had known about since her meeting with Obama, et. al. on January 5th. Yet there was never an investigation opened under the Logan Act against Flynn.

Trump's asking about going easy on Flynn at a time when Flynn was not under criminal investigation is not obstruction of justice but that didn't matter to Comey as he crafted and leaked selected portions of his memos to create that impression.

When the Director of the FBI is lying to the President in an attempt to entrap him, people should be outraged. Hope to hell Durham nails that lying weaselly POS Comey.
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9:47a, 5/18/20
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Hopefully, Wray has his walking papers and is "retiring".

Cue praying dog meme
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In reply to Secolobo • 9:48a, 5/18/20
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Secolobo said:
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9:50a, 5/18/20


https://theohiostar.com/2020/05/18/exclusive-the-treasury-department-spied-on-flynn-manafort-and-the-trump-family-says-whistleblower/

Treasury Department whistleblower has filed complaints x 2...but nothings happening. Interesting read; they were scanning financial records & transactions of Flynn, Manafort, Trump's family, & members of Congress from an unclassified Treasury Department system.
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In reply to drcrinum • 9:52a, 5/18/20
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Trump has to be the cleanest guy in DC. They turned over every rock to find something on him and they found absolutely nothing. It's amazing.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 9:59a, 5/18/20
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FriscoKid said:
Secolobo said:
As a rule, FBI Director stands behind the AG when an important indictment is announced.
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In reply to Secolobo • 10:00a, 5/18/20
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Secolobo said:
Probably about this story....



But I hope I am wrong.
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In reply to FriscoKid • 10:01a, 5/18/20
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So is anyone doing the play by play?
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In reply to akm91 • 10:10a, 5/18/20
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akm91 said:
So is anyone doing the play by play?
<sigh> It's about the Pensacola shooter.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:11a, 5/18/20
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Darn it. I guess my Release Deployment meeting is more interesting.
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In reply to VaultingChemist • 10:32a, 5/18/20
VaultingChemist said:
Secolobo said:
Probably about this story....



But I hope I am wrong.
Unfortunately you were right.

This thread is a testament to the absolute necessity that the government should not be allowed to force Apple to provide easy government access to the personal information on phones. (re: this should have a separate thread, sorry for the distraction).
Among the latter, under pretence of governing they have divided their nations into two classes, wolves and sheep.”
Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787
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10:54a, 5/18/20
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Breaking per Fox:

Barr says he does not expect criminal investigation of Obama or Biden arising from Durham probe.
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In reply to End Of Message • 10:56a, 5/18/20
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of course not.
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In reply to End Of Message • 10:57a, 5/18/20
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Pinche Abogado said:
Breaking per Fox:

Barr says he does not expect criminal investigation of Obama or Biden arising from Durham probe.

1 - I don't think he would, asking prosecutors to talk about potential future charges is going to be met with an answer like that, at least if they aren't a partisan hack.

2 - I always figured Obama would never get charged. Even if that whole crew gets rolled up, the civil strife in this country if we imprisoned Obama would not be worth it. Far more likely he'd be dealt with behind the scenes.
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10:58a, 5/18/20
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I think that's ok. We weren't expecting that and there are other "avenues" to shoot for.
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In reply to akm91 • 10:59a, 5/18/20
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akm91 said:
So is anyone doing the play by play?
Can I go to sleep Looch?
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In reply to End Of Message • 11:01a, 5/18/20
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Pinche Abogado said:
Breaking per Fox:

Barr says he does not expect criminal investigation of Obama or Biden arising from Durham probe.
Cool. Unindicted co-conspirator works for me.
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11:15a, 5/18/20
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Barr's statement:
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What happened to the president in the 2016 election and throughout the first two years of his administration was abhorrent. It was a grave injustice, and it was unprecedented in American history. The law enforcement and intelligence apparatus of this country were involved in advancing a false and utterly baseless Russian collusion narrative against the president. The proper investigative and prosecutive standards of the Department of Justice were abused in my view in order to reach a particular result. We saw two different standards of justice emerge. One that applied to President Trump and his associates and the other that applied to everybody else. We can't allow this ever to happen again. The Durham investigation is trying to get to the bottom of what happened and it will determine whether there were any federal laws broken and if there were those who broke the laws will be held to account. But this cannot be, and it will not be a tit for tat exercise. We are not going to lower the standards just to achieve a result. The only way to stop this vicious cycle, the only way to break away from a dual system of justice is to make sure that we scrupulously apply a single and proper standard of justice for everybody. Now under the long-standing standards of the department, criminal charges are appropriate only when we have enough evidence to prove each element of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. That is the standard we're applying. Now I have a general idea of how Mr. Durham's investigation is going. And as I have indicated, some aspects of the matter are being examined as potential crimes. But we have to bear in mind with the Supreme Court recently reminded of us of in the Bridgegate case. As the court said there, there's a difference between an abuse of power and a federal crime. Not every abuse of power, no matter how outrageous, is necessarily a federal crime. Now, as to President Obama and Vice President Biden, whatever their level of involvement, based on the information I have today, I don't expect Mr. Durham's work will lead to a criminal investigation of either man. Our concern over potential criminality is focused on others.

Focus on the last sentence........"Our concern over potential criminality is focused on others."
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11:25a, 5/18/20
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That means they probably can't find any evidence of Biden leaking info to reporters. Obama is probably smart enough to not have done anything illegal, himself...just have everyone else do it. Maybe someone under investigation will say "Obama ordered me...," but I don't know if that's enough to target Obama.

BTW, zero chance the AG under a Dem president will ever care (or has ever cared) about applying a single standard rather than focus on a desired result.
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In reply to VaultingChemist • 11:27a, 5/18/20
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Now I have a general idea of how Mr. Durham's investigation is going. And as I have indicated, some aspects of the matter are being examined as potential crimes. But we have to bear in mind with the Supreme Court recently reminded of us of of in the Bridgegate case. If the court said there is a difference between an abuse of power and a federal crime not every abuse of power, no matter how outrageous, is necessarily a federal crime. As to President Obama and Vice President Biden, whatever the level of involvement based on the information I have, I do not expect Mr. Durham's work will lead to a criminal investigation of either man. Our concern over potential criminality is focused on others.
So he just said they very clearly abused their powers. To us on this thread that's a no s*** Sherlock moment.

But that last sentence should be increasing some people's pucker factor. There's more than one person in the crosshairs.
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