Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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drcrinum said:

People will believe a lie because they want it to be true or are afraid that it is true. I think they believed in the dossier because they wanted it to be true. No higher up, Obama -- Rosenstein -- Clapper -- etc., knew that it was truly bogus...they suspected at least significant parts of it were true. The FBI didn't discover the discrepancies between the Primary Sub-source & Steele until January 2017, & even then, the FBI hid that revelation.


These are ideologically possessed progressives. They believe implementation of their ideology like a religious calling. It is the ultimate good, and therefore questionable things that might need to be done can be rationalized as ethical because they have a higher moral purpose that justifies them. This ideology was pervasive in the leadership of the administration. They all thought and perceived matters in context of that ideology. As they realized the power and resources they had access to, hubris and narcissism Tempted them beyond inhibition to increasing exploit those opportunities outside the law to make the most of their opportunities. I believe they thought they had reached a point of perpetual political dominance for a generation or more, and they could help ensure that by using and abusing the power they had. And they rationalized it was just because it was they who were doing it. They also rationalized their opposition simply must be guilty of corruption and evil because they were not progressives, and they simply had to be sufficiently investigated and caught.

I think they really did and even still do believe this. The ideologically possessed are dangerous when they obtain power.
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DOJ: We're not releasing that stuff Grennel sent.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/senior-doj-official-says-justice-dept-not-intend-release-unmasking-list-delivered-doj-dni-ric-grenell/








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aggiehawg said:

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Having followed this thread for the better part of its existence I have tried to explain the Flynn to my Marine buddy. He happens to be a conservative lawyer in California, which is definitely a unicorn. However, he does not follow anything on the news and has never had any type of social media account. He is very smart and well read, but just doesn't have the time or want to get into Facebook or the ilk.

Having tried to explain everything that has been going on is near impossible. With the headlines of the past few days he has reached out to me to ask me for more information and links. Would any of you have a good suggested link or two for me to send him to get him caught up? There is no way I could get him to read this thread in its entirety, but if he would he would learn a great deal.

Thanks in advance...and Semper Fi,



Here's a pretty thorough time line on the Flynn mess, for starters.

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He's a lawyer, he should start by reading the Motion to Dismiss.
Here's another timeline with more links to documents. LINK

Here's the motion to dismiss.

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This is a good link to a overview. You may have to create a sign-up account, it's free.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/spygate-the-inside-story-behind-the-alleged-plot-to-take-down-trump_2833074.html

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I also suspect that we're seeing the natural result of the degradation of virtue and belief in morality as an absolute in our society. Laws aren't enough to make people virtuous; they have to believe in its value on their own. In the absence of a belief in virtue and morality, the search for personal power and promotion, and the advancement of the "team" at any cost, will fill that vacuum.
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JJMt said:

4. Similarly, when Hillary and Trump were running against each other, the agencies assumed that Hillary was an easy winner. They needed to get her hooked like they had with Obama, so they offered her the irresistible temptation of dirt on Trump by presenting her campaign with Steele and his resources as well as wiretap info on Trump and his campaign. They weren't so much trying to ensure that Hillary won, as much as trying to make sure that she was a captive of their organizations. And, again, they were naturally inclined to her because of her lack of ethics and her support for big government.
Don't forget ... Comey usurping the HRC email investigation, the FBI sham interviews and immunities, the extremely careless vs grossly negligent finding, and the sandbagging of Weiner's laptop.

Comey was a partisan hack. Dumping on Trump was his moral duty and 'higher calling.'

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Andy McCarthy is writing up a storm today.

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The issue for the Justice Department is not whether Flynn made misstatements to Vice President Pence and other administration officials; it is whether prosecutors are in a position to carry their burden of proof that Flynn willfully lied to the interviewing agents. On the evidence as we understand it, I do not believe a jury would be confident even that they knew exactly what statements Flynn made, much less whether his statements were intentionally false rather than honest failures of recollection.
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It is repeatedly claimed in the reporting that James Comey, then the FBI director, withheld information about the Flynn-Kislyak conversations from Sally Yates, then the acting attorney general, even though President Obama had clearly been briefed on it by the time of the White House meeting on the morning of January 5, 2017. That is not true. Mary McCord, then-chief of DOJ's National Intelligence Division, has explained that Comey's deputy, Andrew McCabe, informed her of the Flynn-Kislyak conversations on January 3.

At that point, McCord should have briefed her superior, Yates, and she planned to do just that on the afternoon of January 5. When people are very busy, this is the kind of screw-up that frequently happens. I'm betting McCord did not realize her boss was meeting with the president that morning; or, if she was aware, she did not realize Flynn was on the agenda. But the fact remains: The FBI did inform DOJ at a very high level.
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There is nothing wrong with President Obama's knowing about a counterintelligence investigation. In fact, if the FBI truly believed a candidate for the presidency was in an espionage conspiracy with the Kremlin, there would be something profoundly wrong if the president were not kept informed. It would be expected that the president would give his subordinates direction.



The issue has never been whether Obama knew of course he knew. The issue is what exactly was it that he knew about. That is, was this a good faith investigation based on real evidence that Trump's campaign was conspiring with the Kremlin, or was it partisan political spying and sabotage carried out under the guise of counterintelligence?
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And another.

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The guiding tenet of the criminal justice system is that the government bears the burden of proving guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. All of the system's rules are rooted in this principle. These include the prosecutor's ethical obligation to dismiss a charge in the absence of a good-faith belief that a rational jury could convict the accused based on the government's evidence.

The Department of Justice (DOJ) last week dismissed the prosecution of Michael Flynn, who fleetingly served as President Trump's first national security adviser. In all the heated commentary over this decision, scant attention has been paid to the most compelling reason for vacating Flynn's 2017 guilty plea to one count of making false statements to FBI agents: The government wouldn't have a prayer of convicting Flynn at trial.
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The Department of Justice (DOJ) last week dismissed the prosecution of Michael Flynn, who fleetingly served as President Trump's first national security adviser. In all the heated commentary over this decision, scant attention has been paid to the most compelling reason for vacating Flynn's 2017 guilty plea to one count of making false statements to FBI agents: The government wouldn't have a prayer of convicting Flynn at trial.
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Likewise, DOJ never would have charged Flynn criminally with violating the Logan Act a moribund, unconstitutional prohibition against freelance diplomacy. In the DOJ's 150-year history, the Logan Act has never been charged. No one has ever been convicted for violating it; there has been no case since 1852. To say it would be a preposterous basis for indicting a president-elect's top security adviser puts it mildly.

DOJ now theorizes that if the Flynn interview was not connected to a properly based investigation, any alleged false statements he made could not have been material. Both Flynn and the investigators, moreover, knew the Kislyak discussions were recorded. Flynn stressed that the agents could listen to the conversation if they wanted to know what was discussed. Any misstatements during the interview could not have affected the FBI's understanding.
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First, Flynn's statements to investigators were equivocal. That creates significant questions about whether inaccuracies in his description of the Kislyak discussions were honest failures of recollection, not lies. The interview happened about a month after the Kislyak communications. In the interim, Flynn had hundreds of conversations with foreign counterparts. It would have been a challenge for anyone to remember the words of a conversation under those circumstances; and, in their legerdemain, the FBI strategically refused to refresh Flynn's recollection by playing recordings or showing a transcript.

Second, the FBI and prosecutors took inconsistent positions on whether Flynn intentionally misled them. The interviewing agents believed he was truthful, if forgetful. Director Comey reportedly said the question of whether Flynn lied was a "close call." Assuming this is so, a close call is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Third, the agents went out of their way to deceive Flynn about the purpose of the interview, at which they hoped to trip him up. It is rote for FBI "302" reports used to summarize witness interviews to start by recounting that interviewing agents advised the subject of the nature of the interview. But they did not do that with Flynn. He was discouraged from consulting counsel and from reporting the FBI's request to speak with him to his White House chain-of-command. He was not given the customary advice of rights the FBI, after officials acknowledged among themselves that they owed it to Flynn to advise him that a false statement could be grounds for prosecution, willfully withheld this admonition from him.
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Fourth, the two government witnesses in the case have monumental credibility problems. Under federal law, Flynn's statements confessing guilt during his plea proceedings would not be admissible against him at trial if the plea were vacated. And Flynn would claim, in any event, that his plea statements were induced by coercion and fraud a threat to prosecute his son if he did not plead guilty, and the prosecutor's commitment not to prosecute his son, which was illegally withheld from the court.

Consequently, the government's entire case boils down to the testimony of two FBI agents: Peter Strzok, who was terminated for misconduct, and Joe Pientka, who appears to have been the case-agent on the Trump-Russia investigation and to have played a significant role in serial misrepresentations made to obtain surveillance warrants against former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page.
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Nevertheless, if this case had gone to trial, the whole sordid story would have come out. No rational jury would have convicted Flynn of making false statements based on the testimony of Strzok and Pientka. The bureau's irregular tactics, its dissembling, the equivocal nature of Flynn's statements and the FBI's sense that he was not trying to be deceptive, would have made proof beyond a reasonable doubt an insuperable hurdle.
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This "case" against Flynn was screwed up from the get-go, long before Mueller was appointed. Had Mueller had any honest prosecutors on his team, they would have recognized that and declined to raise the matter. But since Van Grack was in on some of the early DOJ meetings about Flynn, he was best positioned to take the case forward anyway. An egregious position knowing what we know now but what Van Grack likely knew back then, the very beginning.

That type of prosecutorial malfeasance cannot be condoned. He should be fired from DOJ and subject to disciplinary process for his massive ethical lapses and dare I say, crimes.
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Just like they're not releasing a report by Durham either. At least that's what I'm hoping.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
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nortex97 said:

DOJ: We're not releasing that stuff Grennel sent.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/senior-doj-official-says-justice-dept-not-intend-release-unmasking-list-delivered-doj-dni-ric-grenell/









So can he release if from his office then?
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JJMt said:

I also suspect that we're seeing the natural result of the degradation of virtue and belief in morality as an absolute in our society. Laws aren't enough to make people virtuous; they have to believe in its value on their own. In the absence of a belief in virtue and morality, the search for personal power and promotion, and the advancement of the "team" at any cost, will fill that vacuum.
Clearly. People tell us all the time that atheists have morals. They may have personal "morals," but they are totally subjective. There are very few statists or traditional liberals who believe in God and follow His moral code. Government is their religion.

The vast majority of Americans used to believe in God at a minimum, and that generally caused them to follow the same basic standards.
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Hoping that senior DOJ official is some Obama flunky sitting on the outside of the process, thinking their little quip to ABC will have any impact on this.

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I'm not convinced that all of these people involved in Obamagate are ideological progressives. Some, perhaps even a lot, are. But my experience is that most "career" folks in DC are cynics and don't really hold to any ideology. They are also the nerds from high school who weren't all that successful in college, but now have a chance to show the world how great, successful, and powerful they truly are.

For someone like most of them, who's been a semi-loser all of their life, getting hold of power is an overpoweringly intoxicating drug.

I also suspect that we're seeing the natural result of the degradation of virtue and belief in morality as an absolute in our society. Laws aren't enough to make people virtuous; they have to believe in its value on their own. In the absence of a belief in virtue and morality, the search for personal power and promotion, and the advancement of the "team" at any cost, will fill that vacuum.
Yeah, I would also add that the career tract for them is to find a mate of the same ilk, branch out in a two-tract endevor, double-down, accept progressivism as your ideology and pledge your service to the progressive cause no matter the cost to anything else.
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But since Van Grack was in on some of the early DOJ meetings about Flynn, he was best positioned to take the case forward anyway. An egregious position knowing what we know now but what Van Grack likely knew back then, the very beginning.

That type of prosecutorial malfeasance cannot be condoned. He should be fired from DOJ and subject to disciplinary process for his massive ethical lapses and dare I say, crimes.
All of the conflicts of interest are mind-blowing to me. Mueller brought in ringers who were there for no reason other than to hammer Trump's people. They were not remotely interested in truth or justice.
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Zemira said:

nortex97 said:

DOJ: We're not releasing that stuff Grennel sent.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/05/senior-doj-official-says-justice-dept-not-intend-release-unmasking-list-delivered-doj-dni-ric-grenell/









So can he release if from his office then?
Not if Durham and Shea are interested in prosecuting some or all of them. That's why DOJ won't release it. They have to make prosecution and declination decisions first. For DOJ, indictments will be their release.

But as long as they are declassified by Barr, even if a declination decision means the DOJ won't publicize the name, still think ODNI could release it.
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Hmmmm.... Who actually knows what's going on?
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Hmmmm.... Who actually knows what's going on?
Barr can declassify them under his authority from Trump. If he refuses to declassify, ODNI can't release without obtaining some other authority to declassify them. So that's where I think the confusion arose.

Barr is wearing two hats here. One as a declassifying authority and the other as a prosecutorial authority. Grennel by bringing this to his attention is appealing to both in sort of a quasi criminal referral.
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Are they going to notify the people that were unmasked?
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Hmmmm.... Who actually knows what's going on?
Barr can declassify them under his authority from Trump. If he refuses to declassify, ODNI can't release without obtaining some other authority to declassify them. So that's where I think the confusion arose.

Barr is wearing two hats here. One as a declassifying authority and the other as a prosecutorial authority. Grennel by bringing this to his attention is appealing to both in sort of a quasi criminal referral.
That was my read on it from the beginning when Grennell brought it to Barr. I didn't even think about Barr declassifying and releasing names but rather he and Durham and others would use it as part of their investigations.
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Pivoting back to transcript release.

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An FBI agent's newly released testimony undercuts top Justice Department official Bruce Ohr's denial of a conflict of interest between his Trump-Russia efforts and his wife's work for Fusion GPS, producer of the discredited Steele dossier.

The agent, Michael Gaeta, told congressional probers that Ohr had pressed him to make sure the FBI was "doing something" with the dossier. According to Gaeta, Ohr pushed Steele's collection of memos alleging nefarious ties between the Trump campaign and Russia in part because Ohr's wife Nellie worked for the same company that had hired ex-British spy Christopher Steele.

Gaeta's testimony was released last week along with 56 other Trump-Russia interviews conducted by the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. He recalled an August 2016 phone call from Ohr.

"August, he calls me and says, 'Have you seen this stuff from Steele?' Chris or Steele, whatever he says. I said yes," Gaeta recalled. "And so now I assume he had either spoken to Steele or had seen him. I didn't know, and I didn't ask." Ohr, the agent said, wasted no time in making a request: "And he goes, 'We just want to make sure we, or me and my bosses want to make sure the FBI is handling it and doing something about it.'"

Gaeta told Ohr, "I am putting it in the hands of this unit at headquarters who's going to look at it."

"Okay, good," was Ohr's reply. "We just want to make sure."

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"As I saw it," Ohr testified, "I was receiving information that I passed to people who were working on the investigation, and they decided what to do with it. I don't know what they did with it."

Ohr told lawmakers he was in the dark. "I don't know what investigations specifically were existing at the time. I didn't have any input or work on those investigations."
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The testimony of Gaeta whose name is redacted in the testimony but has been confirmed by RealClearInvestigations raises new questions about the extent of Ohr's role in advancing Trump-Russia conspiracy theories across the government. Gaeta's interview is of interest because of his long history with both Ohr and Steele, a former British intelligence agent who formed a private investigative firm in 2009.

Gaeta has known Steele since 2010 when they were introduced to one another by Ohr. It was not a random encounter. Ohr appears to have been drumming up business for Steele, having traveled to London to host a meeting between Gaeta and Steele at which Steele pitched having his new private intelligence firm do work for the FBI.
So Gaeta was Steele's long time handler. The guy who would have been in the best position to either vouch for Steele's credibility or not. A critical piece of information for a Woods Procedures file.

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After the meeting, Gaeta wasn't sure what to do with the documents. He wanted to get the Steele reports to the right people at the Bureau, but didn't know who the right people would be. He was reluctant to ask around, for fear of spreading word of the "explosive" information. Finally, in the middle of July, Gaeta reached out to a trusted colleague in the New York field office.

"I told him about the information; he read it," Gaeta told lawmakers. "And then I told him my idea of really surgically trying to determine who should see this." Gaeta would send the Steele material to the New York office for a decision on how to get it to officials in Washington. Gaeta later heard the material had ended up with a secretive counterintelligence group operating out of FBI headquarters in Washington.

But, his testimony suggests, the process wasn't moving fast enough for Steele and Fusion GPS. Hence, the August phone call from Ohr telling Gaeta, "We just want to make sure" the information was being acted upon.

If the "we" were actually Ohr and his official bosses the deputy attorney general and the attorney general it wouldn't be clear why those top law enforcement officials would need to rely on a Europe-based FBI agent to give the Steele documents to investigators in Washington. In Gaeta's telling, Ohr would later leave the implication that the "we" was Ohr and Fusion GPS.
Answered the who is "we" question.

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With promises of more information on Trump and Russia to come, Steele was made an official source for the FBI and was promised payments. Gaeta was Steele's "handling agent." And so it fell to Gaeta to confront Steele when, days before the election, an article appeared in Mother Jones magazine with information from the dossier.

Gaeta called Steele: "Did you do this?"

Steele said, "Yes, I did," and explained he was angry that the FBI had been investigating Hillary Clinton's emails when it should have been focused on Trump and Russia.

Gaeta dropped Steele on the spot: "I said, 'Everything is going to change now.' I said, 'You're no longer working to get information on our behalf, you're no longer to go out, and we are no longer tasking you. ln addition, you're not going to be paid, and the relationship is going to end.'"
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Just a week later, on Election Day, Gaeta was back in Washington for a meeting and encountered Ohr in a restaurant across the street from FBI headquarters.

"What did he say to you?" the Republican interviewer asked Gaeta.

"So, the first thing he said was - he apologized for introducing me to Steele because "

"He sorry?" the interviewer interrupted.

"He apologized for introducing me to Steele, kind of like half-joking, because of all the stuff that was happening at that point," Gaeta told lawmakers. "And, you know, I wasn't looking to delve into any substantive conversation with him about it, and I don't think he was. But at a certain point in that conversation the whole conversation was short; it didn't last long but he mentioned something about his wife working for GPS."

The interviewer asked, "Fusion GPS?"

"He said GPS."

"Okay. What did you take that to mean?" was the next question.

"At that point, l didn't know what he meant by it," Gaeta replied. "I wasn't sure. And I wasn't going to start delving into it. I just kind of shook my head. And that was really it."
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Yeah, I think it's a good sign that they're not making just a blanket release. Gives hope that some will be taken down.
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Rockdoc said:

Yeah, I think it's a good sign that they're not making just a blanket release. Gives hope that some will be taken down.
So do I.
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Rockdoc said:

Yeah, I think it's a good sign that they're not making just a blanket release. Gives hope that some will be taken down.
As they say in the movies, "gotta make 'em sweat."
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Why is it a bad thing for the names of the unmasked individuals being released to the public?

I understand it would be bad if the DOJ decided to prosecute these individuals, but I don't understand why. First of all, the release is just the names of people who have been unmasked by Powers, or whomever. I've always been under the assumption that one person was responsible for that, albeit, someone else gave the order.

Personally, I just want to make my day better by knowing these crooks would be in deeper crap! Honestly, that's why I'm asking.

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So what is up here?
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So what is up here?
I remember hearing this a while back...It seems someone hacked her mail server and set it up where every email was BCCed to a Gmail address that belongs to..... who knows who? Chinese intelligence?
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fasthorse05 said:

Why is it a bad thing for the names of the unmasked individuals being released to the public?

I understand it would be bad if the DOJ decided to prosecute these individuals, but I don't understand why. First of all, the release is just the names of people who have been unmasked by Powers, or whomever. I've always been under the assumption that one person was responsible for that, albeit, someone else gave the order.

Personally, I just want to make my day better by knowing these crooks would be in deeper crap! Honestly, that's why I'm asking.


Privacy concerns, first and foremost. Second, can you imagine the class action suits, if everyone who was unmasked was publicly revealed other than in the course of a criminal prosecution?
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Okay, here's my grand theory of everything. I've had a hard time believing that so many people were unified in their opposition to Trump that they'd coordinate this soft coup. I believe that the coup occurred, and that all those people were involved, but I'm having a hard time figuring out what their motives and intent were. I worked at a fairly high level in DC back in the early 90s, and although things have changed a lot since then, I'm still having a hard time figuring out how so many people at the highest levels of government could be engaged in such unethical and illegal behavior.

Possibly, like many evils in life, the participants didn't start off with what we know now, but rather gradually eased their way into an escalating pattern of wrongdoing. That is:

1. This problem started out simply as the FBI, CIA and their contractors being unable to resist the siren call of the ability to spy on U.S. citizens, including prominent politicians and journalists. After all, the FBI especially has a well-known tradition from its founding of doing so to increase and protect its power and turf.

2. In order to protect themselves, those agencies started sharing some of their info with Obama and his henchlings. They knew that the candy that they were offering would be irresistible to such amoral political animals, and once the Obamakins took some of the candy, they were hooked. It's like the mob starting the process of taking ownership of politicians by offering them small "gifts" at first, then larger and larger "gifts", and then extorting them by threatening to disclose the gifts.

3. The agencies were predisposed to support Obama and his administration because they, by default, believed in big government. And the primary imperative of any agency, like any organism, is to grow. In addition, the Obamakins were creatures of Chicago politics, wholly lacking in ethics and thus unlikely to raise any moral objections to the candy being offered to them.

4. Similarly, when Hillary and Trump were running against each other, the agencies assumed that Hillary was an easy winner. They needed to get her hooked like they had with Obama, so they offered her the irresistible temptation of dirt on Trump by presenting her campaign with Steele and his resources as well as wiretap info on Trump and his campaign. They weren't so much trying to ensure that Hillary won, as much as trying to make sure that she was a captive of their organizations. And, again, they were naturally inclined to her because of her lack of ethics and her support for big government.

5. When Trump won, they were shocked and scared. They did not have Trump on any kind of hook, and Trump had boy scouts like Flynn getting ready to read them the riot act. In panic, they decided to get rid of Flynn, at a minimum, with the bonus of possibly also getting rid of Trump. And, initially they seemed to succeed. During those heady early days, they must have thought that their power would be absolute. After all, they had gotten rid of a DNI and appeared to be successfully on their way to orchestrating the impeachment of a U.S. President. No one would dare challenge their power or turf.

That's all speculation and conjecture, of course, but it does fit my experience of how bureaucrats descend into evil.
I think the problems started with Benghazi and the reporting by a few reporters, such as Attkisson and Rosen, on the lies by Susan Rice. Also the Fast and Furious scandal brought more negative reporting, which the Obama administration felt needed to be squelched.

From "The Scandalous Presidency of Barack Obama" by Matt Margolis:

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On the Friday before Memorial day weekend, the Justice Department confirmed that "senior officials including attorney general Eric Holder vetted a decision to search an email account belonging to a Fox news reporter (James Rosen) whose story on North Korea prompted a leak investigation." Holder and the DOJ had to explain Holder's apparent perjury, which prompted a formal investigation by the House Judiciary committee. The DOJ defended Holder's felonious statement by saying he had no intention of charging Rosen with a crime. No big deal; they were just accusing him of espionage-which the United States has imprisoned and executed people for. Move along-nothing to see here.
The committee's investigation concluded that Holder in fact "gave deceptive and misleading testimony before the Committee," which is a fancy way of saying "yes, he committed perjury." The committee also determined that the Justice Department "inappropriately interpreted the privacy protection act of 1980 to obtain a search warrant for Mr. Rosen's emails." In other words, Holder lied, and the DOJ twisted the law to get the search warrant. The report also said the committee "took little comfort in Mr. Holder's assurances to us now that the department never intended to prosecute Mr. Rosen when it labeled him a criminal suspect in 2010." If the Department of Justice makes bogus accusations of Espionage against

journalist for doing their job what will stop them from spying on anyone they want? All they need to do is accuse you of a crime, and you could be next. Think about that.

Lastly, there's the curious case of the hacking of Sharyl Attkisson's computers. Attkisson's investigative reporting on the Fast and Furious gun-walking scandal and Benghazi did not earn her any friends in the Obama administration and according to Attkisson, the Obama administration fought back. Attkisson said, on a Philadelphia-based radio station affiliated with CBS, that she believed her home and work computers were compromised since at least February 2011 and possibly further back. If true, it meant that someone was watching her computers while she was investigating Fast and Furious. Though she didn't go into specifics, she said: "there could be some relationship between these things and what's happened to James (Rosen)." In response to the allegations, Obama's Department if Defense offered the non-denial denial: "To our knowledge, the Justice Department has never compromised Ms. Attkisson's computers, or otherwise sought any information from or concerning any telephone, computer, or other media device she may own or use."
Obama's Administration got away with the same illegal activities at least a couple of times before Flynn. I definitely see a pattern.
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If you think about it, every company/corporation is owned by the government, so if a company gets it, it's immediately sent to Chinses intel. Candidly, it's probably Chinese intel anyway.

Even the Aladdin's of the world are owned by Xi and his buddies. I looked at the IPO of Aladdin several years back, and it will tell ya Aladdin IS China.
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So, Obama hated Flynn, and he was being investigated since 2014, and the only thing in that entire time they could get him on was a "I don't remember" lie to the FBI?

Flynn must the the most Boy Scout Patriot on the planet.

And this is the guy they chose to destroy, and go after his family too.

There is some evil out there.
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So what is up here?
Our government knows for a fact that the Chinese had access to all of Hillary's e-mails on her illegal server. They're just hoping everyone else doesn't hear about it.
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drcrinum said:




Hmmmm.... Who actually knows what's going on?
I think I saw on the "Q" thread a post that this was to smoke out a leaker.
The idea of disclosing the unmaskers was used to find a leak in the doj
aggiehawg
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Ellis Wyatt said:

aggiehawg said:


So what is up here?
Our government knows for a fact that the Chinese had access to all of Hillary's e-mails on her illegal server. They're just hoping everyone else doesn't hear about it.
I predict Google doesn't comply. They haven't complied for years, why start now?
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aggiehawg said:

Ellis Wyatt said:

aggiehawg said:


So what is up here?
Our government knows for a fact that the Chinese had access to all of Hillary's e-mails on her illegal server. They're just hoping everyone else doesn't hear about it.
I predict Google doesn't comply. They haven't complied for years, why start now?
I agree. Google is not our friend.
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I kind of figured they wouldn't comply.

Out of curiosity, what happens when a company tells the feds to kiss their ass? I would assume a fine, but that's it.
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fasthorse05 said:

I kind of figured they wouldn't comply.

Out of curiosity, what happens when a company tells the feds to kiss their ass? I would assume a fine, but that's it.

For a criminal investigation? I would hope that would be different.
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