Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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I know this has been discussed before here many times.

But, the big BOOM and the reason for all of the framing of Trump and to get him gone was to hide ALL of the spying that had been going on by the Obama Admin for YEARS.

Spying not just on Flynn, Trump and his campaign, but spying on EVERYONE. Other GOP Presidential campaigns, Members of Congress, Members of SCOTUS (Remember Roberts reversal on ObamaCare? What to they have on Roberts?), Members of the media and many more.

This could be a reveal of all of it! Or, at least enough of it to charge some people.
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HarryBJatm33 said:

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I posted this in the Obamagate thread but note that Adam seems to think it goes back to 2009. It undoubtedly went through typical 'mission creep' as government is prone to do.



Separately, it was noted today that lovebird Peter Strzok hasn't tweeted for some reason since February 6th. Pretty odd silence.
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And Trey Gowdy on Martha's show calling Comey a 'Patriot' couple years ago is suspect.
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GCP12 said:


About the same time they decided to put the hammer down on Petraeus for handing classified notes to his mistress.



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So that would mean Mueller was involved in this up to his eyeballs as he was the FBI director at the time.
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WOW! Had other things to deal with last night so wasn't online nor watching TV. Just catching up.

So I was right about Flynn being under surveillance but I was wrong about the sequence of events. I thought Flynn was under surveillance because he was named in the Steele Dossier. It was the reverse, he was named in the Steel Dossier because he had already been under surveillance and they needed the cover.

The rank falsity of the Steele Dossier is now complete. It was not only a product of Russian disinformation but American intelligence disinformation as well.

This isn't going to go away.
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akm91 said:

So that would mean Mueller was involved in this up to his eyeballs as he was the FBI director at the time.
It would explain why the Obama Administration's holdover assets would select him to both cover their tracks and successfully finish the coup attempt against Trump.

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You would think the spying on the AP early in obama's first term, along with the spying on Fox reporter James Rosen and his parents, would have sent red flags and of been great concern to the media.

Instead, dead silence........and here we are.
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3 Toed Pete said:

You would think the spying on the AP early in obama's first term, along with the spying on Fox reporter James Rosen and his parents, would have sent red flags and of been great concern to the media.

Instead, dead silence........and here we are.

This is exactly correct. The media is complicit, they knew if they dug even a spade full it would turn up the worm and maggot infested decomposing filth of the "messiah's" admin.
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Stlkofta said:

akm91 said:

So that would mean Mueller was involved in this up to his eyeballs as he was the FBI director at the time.
It would explain why the Obama Administration's holdover assets would select him to both cover their tracks and successfully finish the coup attempt against Trump.


Mueller created the Woods Procedures because there were FISA abuses in the aftermath of 9/11. He was ordered to by the FISA court, IIRC. (Might not have been a FISA court, per se but a court order.)

Since Mueller was a FISA abuser in the past, the assumption was he wouldn't be overly alarmed with the current abuse and rat them out, I guess.

Simply amazing.
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Mod on duty this morning just locked the bumped thread about russian contact. That's weak and should be reversed.
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You can't be surprised about that.
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Or maybe they were all being spied on even then. Look at what happened to Lauer, to Rose, to Atkisson, and now to many of the CEOs running each news and tv network.

If you don't play ball, you aren't on TV and if you **** up, their file on you is released.

Sick *****
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blindey said:

Mod on duty this morning just locked the bumped thread about russian contact. That's weak and should be reversed.
Transparency brother!
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aggiehawg said:

Stlkofta said:

akm91 said:

So that would mean Mueller was involved in this up to his eyeballs as he was the FBI director at the time.
It would explain why the Obama Administration's holdover assets would select him to both cover their tracks and successfully finish the coup attempt against Trump.


Mueller created the Woods Procedures because there were FISA abuses in the aftermath of 9/11. He was ordered to by the FISA court, IIRC. (Might not have been a FISA court, per se but a court order.)

Since Mueller was a FISA abuser in the past, the assumption was he wouldn't be overly alarmed with the current abuse and rat them out, I guess.

Simply amazing.


Bring in the man who knows what is going on, understands how to cover things up, and has a knack for bringing down people who need to be put away by any means necessary.

Now is the time for a fight.

Just hope we now have enough folks in the Trump Administration and in the Senate with the stomach to go on the offensive for future generations of Americans.

I'm confident in the Trump Administration as it is now set up within the DoJ and the intelligence-gathering concerns (Grenell has been something else. The man should consider elected office.).

Got more confidence in the Senate as time passes and it becomes obvious that this is as much a political opportunity as it is a necessity.




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blindey said:

Mod on duty this morning just locked the bumped thread about russian contact. That's weak and should be reversed.
Please don't get this thread locked.
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aggiehawg said:

WOW! Had other things to deal with last night so wasn't online nor watching TV. Just catching up.

So I was right about Flynn being under surveillance but I was wrong about the sequence of events. I thought Flynn was under surveillance because he was named in the Steele Dossier. It was the reverse, he was named in the Steel Dossier because he had already been under surveillance and they needed the cover.

The rank falsity of the Steele Dossier is now complete. It was not only a product of Russian disinformation but American intelligence disinformation as well.

This isn't going to go away.
Well, sort of. Flynn had to be targeted because he was going to find out about the Russia Trump investigation and spill the beans. The investigation really had no proper predicate so catching him in a lie about Russia was a perfect solution to two problems (protect investigation/dirt digging, and eliminate him as a threat to NSC/intelligence community).

Every political opponent was under surveillance, and Fusion GPS was also involved in the surveillance going way back to at least 2014/congress/feinstein. Yes they built the silly dossier of Russian disinformation hoping to use it in the campaign but wound up finding it most useful from Jan 2017 until Mueller was done.

It also helped that Obama hated him for calling out islamic terrorism.

A further refresher, for thread readers, go look up Xkeyscore and consider that this tool was used in conjunction with the unmasking and queries by CIA contractors to dig up all of the contacts/information on political friends and enemies. The issue is the CIA isn't supposed to snoop on US persons, but they worked around that through a partnership with the FBI, and the contractors (who could be legion), really had no concern for such trivial details.

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aggiehawg said:

WOW! Had other things to deal with last night so wasn't online nor watching TV. Just catching up.

So I was right about Flynn being under surveillance but I was wrong about the sequence of events. I thought Flynn was under surveillance because he was named in the Steele Dossier. It was the reverse, he was named in the Steel Dossier because he had already been under surveillance and they needed the cover.

The rank falsity of the Steele Dossier is now complete. It was not only a product of Russian disinformation but American intelligence disinformation as well.

This isn't going to go away.

Watched a clip on Tucker in which Susan Rice recounts a conversation she had with Flynn in which he tells her that Russia as threat has been overblown, that they are a regional power and that China was the true threat to the United States. I think Flynn was going to tackle China head on as well as the politicians on their payroll. Flynn had to go.
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How does Barr turn it off at night and sleep?
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260180599886827523.html

Letter to people of Alabama:
https://amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/3113894001

Sessions attempting to win the runoff election in Alabama. Methinks he is likely toast.
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stetson said:

Watched a clip on Tucker in which Susan Rice recounts a conversation she had with Flynn in which he tells her that Russia as threat has been overblown, that they are a regional power and that China was the true threat to the United States. I think Flynn was going to tackle China head on as well as the politicians on their payroll. Flynn had to go.
To be fair, Obama also referred to Russia as a "less-than-lofty regional power that posed less of a threat to the US than a lone terrorist operating in New York City."
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TurkeyBaconLeg said:

I know this has been discussed before here many times.

But, the big BOOM and the reason for all of the framing of Trump and to get him gone was to hide ALL of the spying that had been going on by the Obama Admin for YEARS.

Spying not just on Flynn, Trump and his campaign, but spying on EVERYONE. Other GOP Presidential campaigns, Members of Congress, Members of SCOTUS (Remember Roberts reversal on ObamaCare? What to they have on Roberts?), Members of the media and many more.

This could be a reveal of all of it! Or, at least enough of it to charge some people.
Been thinking this for a while as well. Not sure if the American people will ever have the full story considering the potential depth of corruption and wrongdoing that the Obama Administration.

This was not his first rodeo at spying on rivals. This was his first time of transitioning from those that he spied on. It definitely has that look of "We thought we knew how to cover our tracks, but we didn't consider x, y, and z."

What is scary is what could potentially happen when they gain power again and what they will do considering what that side learned through their failures and missteps here. We need someone to start cleaning up the mess that is the FISA court and intelligence gathering of American citizens.

Unfortunately I am not sure if there are enough people in Congress to tackle that issue that want to currently.
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drcrinum said:



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260180599886827523.html

Letter to people of Alabama:
https://amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/3113894001

Sessions attempting to win the runoff election in Alabama. Methinks he is likely toast.
Didn't read, don't care.

Could have been a patriot and held the line, but instead pussed out.

Likely because they have dirt on him.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260180599886827523.html

Letter to people of Alabama:
https://amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/3113894001

Sessions attempting to win the runoff election in Alabama. Methinks he is likely toast.
This is at best an indicator of concern and at worst a sign of desperation. Could be Sessions is covering a weak point in his armor.

Whether he supports President Trump or not, his inaction allowed the hoax to fester and played a large role in giving the Jackass Party the House of Representatives.

Incompetence in the conduct of your position duties shouldn't be ignored simply because you are fully on board with the President.

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Stlkofta said:

drcrinum said:



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1260180599886827523.html

Letter to people of Alabama:
https://amp.montgomeryadvertiser.com/amp/3113894001

Sessions attempting to win the runoff election in Alabama. Methinks he is likely toast.
This is at best an indicator of concern and at worst a sign of desperation. Could be Sessions is covering a weak point in his armor.

Whether he supports President Trump or not, his inaction allowed the hoax to fester and played a large role in giving the Jackass Party the House of Representatives.

Incompetence in the conduct of your position duties shouldn't be ignored simply because you are fully on board with the President.


What's crazy is he admitted he didn't realize the Comey thing was going on until after he recused himself.

I must have missed where he couldn't unrecuse himself and nuke that investigation...

He could have been a loyal wingman to Trump or a swamper, and he chose to crawl through the marsh with his slimy Dem friends.

Good riddance.
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Sally Yates and Pientka's 302. Something is very hinky here. Yates received a brief summary of Pientka's 302 on the evening of January 24, 2017. She then received the full 302 the morning of January 25, 2017. She then took it with her to meet with Don McGahn, White House Counsel, on January 26, 2017.

All the time while Strzok, Page and McCabe were still editing it and it wasn't formally entered until two weeks later? How did that happen? FBI uses what is called the Sentinel system. Computer software for tracking cases and documents related thereto. If Pientka's 302 was not entered into the Sentinel system until mid February, how did she have it by the 25th of January?

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Former DAG Sally Yates testified to congress that after the Flynn interview DOJ-National Security Division:
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"received a detailed readout from the FBI agents who had interviewed Flynn." Yates said she felt "it was important to get this information to the White House as quickly as possible."
Yates is describing the Pientka 302. The Pientka 302 could have been received at the DOJ-NSD later in the evening of January 24th, or perhaps the morning of the 25th. Either is possible because Yates was having meetings about the topic.

In the DOJ motion to dismiss the case against Flynn, the records indicate Yates received a summary of the interview the night of the 24th, and the full detailed record came on the morning of January 25th:
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The calendar of DOJ-NSD Associate Deputy AG Tashina Gauhar shows meetings with Sally Yates which align with the discussions of the Flynn interview and Yates receiving a summary on the 24th and the detail on the 25th:



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Together with DOJ-NSD head Mary McCord, Sally Yates used the 302 from Joe Pientka to travel to the White House on January 26th and brief White House counsel Don McGahn about the Flynn interview contrast against the content of the previously captured call between Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak and Lt. Gen Mike Flynn.

If the FBI search for the original Pientka 302 is mysteriously impossible, perhaps the DOJ should go and get the version that was received by the DOJ-NSD on the evening of January 24th, or morning of January 25th, 2017.
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Thursday January 26th (afternoon) Sally Yates traveled to the White House along with a senior member of the DOJ's National Security Division, "who was overseeing the matter", that is Mary McCord. This was Yates' first meeting with McGahn in his office, which also acts as a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF).

Yates said she began their meeting by laying out the media accounts and media statements made by Vice President Mike Pence and other high-ranking White House officials about General Flynn's activity "that we knew not to be the truth."

According to Sally Yates testimony, she and Mary McCord presented all the information to McGahn so the White House could take action that they deemed appropriate. When asked by McGahn if Flynn should be fired, Yates answered, "that really wasn't our call."

Yates also said her decision to notify the White House counsel had been discussed "at great length." According to her testimony: "Certainly leading up to our notification on the 26th, it was a topic of a whole lot of discussion in DOJ and with other members of the intel community."
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Friday January 27th (morning) White House Counsel Don McGahn called Yates in the morning and asked if she could come back to his office.

Friday January 27th (late afternoon) According to her testimony, Sally Yates returned to the White House late that afternoon. One of McGahn's topics discussed was whether Flynn could be prosecuted for his conduct.

Specifically, according to Yates, one of the questions *McGahn asked Yates: "Why does it matter to DOJ if one White House official lies to another?" She explained that it "was a whole lot more than that," and reviewed the same issues outlined the prior day.

McGahn then expressed his concern that taking any action might interfere with the FBI investigation of Flynn, and Yates said it wouldn't: "It wouldn't really be fair of us to tell you this and then expect you to sit on your hands," Yates claims to have told McGahn.

McGahn asked if he could look at the underlying evidence of Flynn's conduct, and she said they would work with the FBI over the weekend and "get back with him on Monday morning."
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Friday January 27th, 2017 (evening) In what appears to be only a few hours later, President Trump is having dinner with FBI Director James Comey where President Trump asked if he was under investigation. Trump was, but to continue the auspices of the ongoing investigation, Comey lied and told him he wasn't.
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Were official FBI documents tampered with? Was the software tampered with in the deletion of those records? Felony offenses, BTW. Remember when Van Grack filed a 302 that had "Draft" at the top and then had to explain it to Judge Sullivan? Said it was "inadvertently mislabeled," and a cleaner copy put back into the system. Yet Yate's testimony is that she received what could be termed a draft or brief the evening of the interview but then received the full report (302) the next morning.

Surely she wouldn't have rushed over to the White House on just a draft document that was clearly labeled as such. In fact, she didn't. She waited until the 26th. She had to have the final product, right?

Weird. And all of these conflicting stories about Flynn's 302 means the DOJ would never have been able to obtain a real conviction against him on a false statement charge...ever...including when Flynn originally agreed to the plea deal. Team Mueller would have known it, too.

It was all a sham.
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More evidence that they must have had something on Sullivan. Why did Sullivan let this BS drag out sooooo long.
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I think Yates' 302 needs to be combined with McCord's. The latter is far more detailed since McCord kept copious notes during the entire time. Her 302 is 12 pages long:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.198.4.pdf

On Page 4, she had a conversation with McCabe about Flynn & the Kislyak calls. McCabe told her that the FBI did not want to compromise their counterintelligence investigation (of Flynn), which is what would happen if the DOJ notified the White House about the Flynn-Kislyak calls -- it's briefly mentioned again on Page 5. Later the issue of a 'criminal investigation' on Flynn begins to appear in the discussions.

It is my thinking that the issue of a Logan Act violation that became the track that Yates became involved in, was merely an attempt to mislead the White House (as well as the public via the leaks) so as to provide cover for the counterintelligence investigation on Flynn...i.e., a disguise in a way.


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K188Ag said:

More evidence that they must have had something on Sullivan. Why did Sullivan let this BS drag out sooooo long.
IDK. Originally, the way Flynn's case was presented to him, it was a routine plea agreement ready for sentencing. But then Sullivan unexpectedly went off on Flynn, calling him a traitor and citing acts that Flynn had supposedly committed that were not the subject of a false statement case.

Now, was Sullivan basing that crap on news reports instead of what was properly before him in the pleadings? (Bad judge.)

Or, had he had ex parte communications with Van Grack wherein Van Grack told him that crap and Sullivan just vomited it back en masse? (Very bad judge.)

There is a third alternative, namely that Sullivan's spidey senses were alerted that something didn't sit right with him and he blew up his own hearing just to see what would happen and after that continued to provide the rope to let it all unfold. I'm probably giving him too much credit on that one.

He hasn't ruled on the DOJ motion to dismiss yet. Indicates to me he is writing a long opinion to accompany his order. Maybe he'll explain his thinking throughout the history of the case, maybe he won't. We'll see.

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Tibbers said:

Or maybe they were all being spied on even then. Look at what happened to Lauer, to Rose, to Atkisson, and now to many of the CEOs running each news and tv network.

If you don't play ball, you aren't on TV and if you **** up, their file on you is released.

Sick *****
Attkisson is still pursuing her lawsuit vs the DOJ and FBI for illegally accessing her computer and laptop. I wonder what her lawyers are thinking now......

Summary of Attkisson v DOJ and FBI
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nortex97 said:

aggiehawg said:

WOW! Had other things to deal with last night so wasn't online nor watching TV. Just catching up.

So I was right about Flynn being under surveillance but I was wrong about the sequence of events. I thought Flynn was under surveillance because he was named in the Steele Dossier. It was the reverse, he was named in the Steel Dossier because he had already been under surveillance and they needed the cover.

The rank falsity of the Steele Dossier is now complete. It was not only a product of Russian disinformation but American intelligence disinformation as well.

This isn't going to go away.
Well, sort of. Flynn had to be targeted because he was going to find out about the Russia Trump investigation and spill the beans. The investigation really had no proper predicate so catching him in a lie about Russia was a perfect solution to two problems (protect investigation/dirt digging, and eliminate him as a threat to NSC/intelligence community).

Every political opponent was under surveillance, and Fusion GPS was also involved in the surveillance going way back to at least 2014/congress/feinstein. Yes they built the silly dossier of Russian disinformation hoping to use it in the campaign but wound up finding it most useful from Jan 2017 until Mueller was done.

It also helped that Obama hated him for calling out islamic terrorism.

A further refresher, for thread readers, go look up Xkeyscore and consider that this tool was used in conjunction with the unmasking and queries by CIA contractors to dig up all of the contacts/information on political friends and enemies. The issue is the CIA isn't supposed to snoop on US persons, but they worked around that through a partnership with the FBI, and the contractors (who could be legion), really had no concern for such trivial details.



Thanks for posting this, nortex. I had never seen this before. Quite illuminating.
Wow. This software just begs to be abused by users.
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aggiehawg said:

K188Ag said:

More evidence that they must have had something on Sullivan. Why did Sullivan let this BS drag out sooooo long.
IDK. Originally, the way Flynn's case was presented to him, it was a routine plea agreement ready for sentencing. But then Sullivan unexpectedly went off on Flynn, calling him a traitor and citing acts that Flynn had supposedly committed that were not the subject of a false statement case.

Now, was Sullivan basing that crap on news reports instead of what was properly before him in the pleadings? (Bad judge.)

Or, had he had ex parte communications with Van Grack wherein Van Grack told him that crap and Sullivan just vomited it back en masse? (Very bad judge.)

There is a third alternative, namely that Sullivan's spidey senses were alerted that something didn't sit right with him and he blew up his own hearing just to see what would happen and after that continued to provide the rope to let it all unfold. I'm probably giving him too much credit on that one.

He hasn't ruled on the DOJ motion to dismiss yet. Indicates to me he is writing a long opinion to accompany his order. Maybe he'll explain his thinking throughout the history of the case, maybe he won't. We'll see.


Let me first remind everyone, I am not the other roscoe. I have followed this thread closely over the years and interjected with thoughts every now and then. I have believed that it is closer to your third alternative since the day it happened. I got the sense that Sullivan was trying to persuade Flynn to drop his plea at such time because Sullivan knew the dots were not connecting and something nefarious was likely happening on the DOJ side, and Sullivan's method of persuasion was to challenge Flynn directly by stating what the guilty plea potentially insinuates from the general public's perspective.
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drcrinum said:

I think Yates' 302 needs to be combined with McCord's. The latter is far more detailed since McCord kept copious notes during the entire time. Her 302 is 12 pages long:

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.198.4.pdf

On Page 4, she had a conversation with McCabe about Flynn & the Kislyak calls. McCabe told her that the FBI did not want to compromise their counterintelligence investigation (of Flynn), which is what would happen if the DOJ notified the White House about the Flynn-Kislyak calls -- it's briefly mentioned again on Page 5. Later the issue of a 'criminal investigation' on Flynn begins to appear in the discussions.

It is my thinking that the issue of a Logan Act violation that became the track that Yates became involved in, was merely an attempt to mislead the White House (as well as the public via the leaks) so as to provide cover for the counterintelligence investigation on Flynn...i.e., a disguise in a way.

Thanks for that link. Quite interesting. According to McCord, the briefing of Yates on the Flynn interview was delivered by Strzok the evening of January 24, 2016. So maybe Yates and McCord never had Pientka's version, if Pientka indeed ever produced one or he left it to Strzok to craft.

The other thing that is becoming more and more striking to me is how concerned Obama was over the lack of retaliation for the sanctions he put on Russia. So much so that he tasked the entire IC to find out why. IOW, the sanctions hadn't elicited the response Obama had wanted.

So what did Obama want/expect the Russians to do in response to his sanctions? Other than using the Russian non-reaction as potential evidence of a flimsy Logan Act allegation against Flynn, have you seen any further explanation of what set Obama's pants on fire about this, drcrinum?
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Let me first remind everyone, I am not the other roscoe. I have followed this thread closely over the years and interjected with thoughts every now and then. I have believed that it is closer to your third alternative since the day it happened. I got the sense that Sullivan was trying to persuade Flynn to drop his plea at such time because Sullivan knew the dots were not connecting and something nefarious was likely happening on the DOJ side, and Sullivan's method of persuasion was to challenge Flynn directly by stating what the guilty plea potentially insinuates from the general public's perspective.
Maybe. My doubts about this scenario is because Sullivan hasn't been consistent on this score. Sydney's been on the case for nearly a year, repeatedly requesting for relief for Flynn. If Sullivan had such concerns about Flynn being railroaded I'd have expected him to look a little kinder towards those requests instead of with the jaundiced eye he exhibited.

Guess we'll both see if Sullivan was playing the long con here.

Thanks for posting and adding to the discussion.
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