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...Two sources told Fox News that Jeff Jensen, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri who was tapped by the Justice Department in February to review the case of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, is continuing to help with Durham's investigation even after the DOJ's move last week to drop the case against Flynn.

The sources told Fox News that interim U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Timothy Shea is also assisting with components of the investigation.

"They farmed the investigation out because it is too much for Durham and he didn't want to be distracted," one of the sources told Fox News....

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Yup! Lots of different actors involved...lots of moving parts. That's why it is taking so long.

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I am suddenly a big fan of Jeff Jensen.

Wonder what Huber is working on. "Helping" on another project?

He was looking at Uranium One and Clinton Foundation. WaPo (Devlin Barrett) wrote that those ended in Jan with nothing (sources familiar with the matter).

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I am suddenly a big fan of Jeff Jensen.

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I wonder how Jensen, as a former FBI agent, personally feel about what he has uncovered during his review of the Flynn fiasco.

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This is pretty rich.

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And yet SO many folks believe all of that BS, and there's no one to counter what he's saying that will reach all the people who read his lies.

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akm91 said:

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That's because they think they are better than you.

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Anyone with an IQ under 110 isn't better than me. I don't care what their art history and philosophy degrees say. These mental midgets support traitors and pedophiles for heavens sake!

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Go back and read it again. It doesn't matter that they're not better than you. They think they are and so they're higher and mightier than you in their minds.

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Well, he's got almost 64K followers, so somebody knows who he is.

From KT McFarland

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"They wanted to deflect attention to something very big. I don't know what it was that they were trying to cover up. But they went to enormous lengths to cover it up. It's very clear it wasn't just a few rogue agents at the FBI. This is not done by some mid-level government official in the Justice Department or the FBI. It was the highest levels of the FBI," she added.

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KT McFarland Interview

These days, the proverbial ham sandwich can get 64K followers with a little bit of coding.

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Serious question? What's the difference in trump demanding an investigation into #OBAMAGATE vs Dems demanding a investigation into Russian collusion?

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Maybe virtually all the evidence points to unethical and criminal activities by the Obama administration and away from any collusion by the Trump administration? The actual hard evidence is leading that way. Hard to equivocate that away, because it is all that matters in terms of law.

So does anyone know why Flynn chose Covington for his representation? It seems that was the one real mistake he made throughout this ordeal (certainly won't fault him for pleading out to protect his son from a bogus FARA charge).

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I am suddenly a big fan of Jeff Jensen.

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I wonder how Jensen, as a former FBI agent, personally feel about what he has uncovered during his review of the Flynn fiasco.

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Bad enough to recommend to Barr that the charges be dropped.

But it makes sense to me that Jensen is now working with Durham as well as Tim Shea. Jensen is the investigator and out of his jurisdiction, can't bring charges.

Durham is the prosecutor but his jurisdiction is Connecticut. He needs Shea to be the front line prosecutor in DC because that's Shea's jurisdiction. So that's encouraging that the criminal aspects here are still being assessed.

Is that clear? Why these guys need to work with each other and what that means?

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Kanyes psychiatrist said:

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akm91 said:

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That's because they think they are better than you.

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Anyone with an IQ under 110 isn't better than me. I don't care what their art history and philosophy degrees say. These mental midgets support traitors and pedophiles for heavens sake!

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Go back and read it again. It doesn't matter that they're not better than you. They think they are and so they're higher and mightier than you in their minds.

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They also think communism is better than freedom and pedophilia is ok as long as it's a dem. They are dumbass sheep

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So does anyone know why Flynn chose Covington for his representation? It seems that was the one real mistake he made throughout this ordeal (certainly won't fault him for pleading out to protect his son from a bogus FARA charge).

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Long story short, non-lawyers don't really know lawyers' true reputations so they frequently rely on recommendations from someone that they know and/or trust. Whether pointing Flynn to Covington was a coincidence or otherwise is obviously not know to me (and you can draw your own conclusions) but someone pointed him in their direction.

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"They wanted to deflect attention to something very big. I don't know what it was that they were trying to cover up. But they went to enormous lengths to cover it up. It's very clear it wasn't just a few rogue agents at the FBI. This is not done by some mid-level government official in the Justice Department or the FBI. It was the highest levels of the FBI," she added.

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Just a gut feeling, but I believe she knows what was being covered up and so does Flynn.

And he has a blue check, so doesn't that make him a Twitter god?

Its not so much Rothschild and his 64K followers. Its that the message he's stating is the exact message the Dem Party and most of the MSM is and will use: that Trump is a kook and going after conspiracies with politicizing the DOJ and Barr, all the while ignoring the body count on Covid. Its of course a lie and the truth is essentially the exact opposite, but the pushback on this from all of the Dems, deep state, media is going to be like nothing we've ever seen.

That's why there must be indictments of high level people and actually very soon so more of the facts can start to get out in the public domain. Currently the only thing getting through is the Dem narrative and because the only people covering this are people like Hannity, Tucker, Ingraham, Limbaugh, it is seen as right wing conspiracists aiding Trump.

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So does anyone know why Flynn chose Covington for his representation? It seems that was the one real mistake he made throughout this ordeal (certainly won't fault him for pleading out to protect his son from a bogus FARA charge).

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Long story short, non-lawyers don't really know lawyers' true reputations so they frequently rely on recommendations from someone that they know and/or trust. Whether pointing Flynn to Covington was a coincidence or otherwise is obviously not know to me (and you can draw your own conclusions) but someone pointed him in their direction.

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Further, they were originally retained by his business, Flynn Intelligence Group (FIG) to assist in filing the required federal filings for the work they were doing, not for his criminal defense. When things went south on the FARA filing over the Inovo deal, Convington & Burling had a duty to clean up their mess but also advise Flynn he should retain separate criminal counsel and enter into a Joint Defense Agreement with that outside criminal counsel.

That was their first massive mistake. What happened after that mistake just snowballed. I had always been skeptical that Eric Holder would have actively embroiled himself in anything having to do with Flynn. I no longer hold that opinion. I think his fingerprints are there and Jensen has unearthed them.

How long did this go back? the CIA and FBI directors must have sanctioned it. I can totally see Brennan and Comey give the ok for this but they were only in their roles starting 2013.

If we suspect Romney was spied on, then that would include Muller @ FBI and Panetta and Petraeus @ CIA as well (Morell was interim between Panetta and Petraeus and between Petraeus and Brennan).

I was shocked to find out that he engaged the firm, on the advice of his own attorney, solely to perform legal work associated with FARA filings. The fact that they did not identify Holder as a conflict in the further criminal investigation is egregious.

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MooreTrucker said:

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Kanyes psychiatrist said:

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akm91 said:

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That's because they think they are better than you.

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Anyone with an IQ under 110 isn't better than me. I don't care what their art history and philosophy degrees say. These mental midgets support traitors and pedophiles for heavens sake!

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Go back and read it again. It doesn't matter that they're not better than you. They think they are and so they're higher and mightier than you in their minds.

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They also think communism is better than freedom and pedophilia is ok as long as it's a dem. They are dumbass sheep

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Well, yeah, we know all that. But the point is they don't know it. They think they're smarter than us.

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Its not so much Rothschild and his 64K followers. Its that the message he's stating is the exact message the Dem Party and most of the MSM is and will use: that Trump is a kook and going after conspiracies with politicizing the DOJ and Barr, all the while ignoring the body count on Covid. Its of course a lie and the truth is essentially the exact opposite, but the pushback on this from all of the Dems, deep state, media is going to be like nothing we've ever seen.

That's why there must be indictments of high level people and actually very soon so more of the facts can start to get out in the public domain. Currently the only thing getting through is the Dem narrative and because the only people covering this are people like Hannity, Tucker, Ingraham, Limbaugh, it is seen as right wing conspiracists aiding Trump.

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And that's the part of all this that makes me sad/mad/crazy. Obamagate is bad, etc. but the fact that it's so easily covered up and the truth ignored and the facts manipulated is worse than anything Obama, et al. did. And add to that we have very few on our side to counter, I don't think even the indictments of higher levels will make it better. And the higher we go, the worse they'll make it sound. Indict Obama and the roof will blow off.

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How long did this go back? the CIA and FBI directors must have sanctioned it. I can totally see Brennan and Comey give the ok for this but they were only in their roles starting 2013.

If we suspect Romney was spied on, then that would include Muller @ FBI and Panetta and Petraeus @ CIA as well (Morell was interim between Panetta and Petraeus and between Petraeus and Brennan).

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Good question and one that Judge Collyer avoided although she suspected that the FISA abuse went back to 2012. But reading the tea leaves, I think it was an accommodation between Mueller and Panetta but was reduced to a MOU under Comey and Brennan and was exploited in a much bigger volume. Classic mission creep.

And it was that volume of traffic that triggered alarms at NSA getting Admiral Rogers' attention and he shut it down. (In theory, anyway.)

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I was shocked to find out that he engaged the firm, on the advice of his own attorney, solely to perform legal work associated with FARA filings. The fact that they did not identify Holder as a conflict in the further criminal investigation is egregious.

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As to the business side, it was the company FIG who was the client. I can easily see Flynn being presented with a modified conflict of interest letter at the beginning of the representation and not giving it much thought.

But you are correct. Once the potential criminal issues of Flynn personally were raised, those conflict red alert sirens should have gone off. Not to mention that Covington & Burling has interests opposite of those of their client and were then fact witnesses.

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Kanyes psychiatrist said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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Kanyes psychiatrist said:

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akm91 said:

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That's because they think they are better than you.

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Anyone with an IQ under 110 isn't better than me. I don't care what their art history and philosophy degrees say. These mental midgets support traitors and pedophiles for heavens sake!

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Go back and read it again. It doesn't matter that they're not better than you. They think they are and so they're higher and mightier than you in their minds.

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They also think communism is better than freedom and pedophilia is ok as long as it's a dem. They are dumbass sheep

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Well, yeah, we know all that. But the point is they don't know it. They think they're smarter than us.

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That's why every time you have an interaction with them it's imperative you embarrass them and remind them of just stupid and impractical they are. Speak about the pedos, traitors, corruption and the results of communism while they make your coffee. Remind them that their candidate is a rapist while they ring up your art purchase.

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From KT McFarland

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"They wanted to deflect attention to something very big. I don't know what it was that they were trying to cover up. But they went to enormous lengths to cover it up. It's very clear it wasn't just a few rogue agents at the FBI. This is not done by some mid-level government official in the Justice Department or the FBI. It was the highest levels of the FBI," she added.

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But we now know what they were covering up--massive spying on American citizens for solely political purposes.

There was a memorandum of understanding between the FBI (not DOJ) and the CIA wherein CIA could slip their contractors under the FBI's contractor umbrella to do 702 queries of the NSA database. Since the CIA is specifically prohibited from spying on U.S. citizens, that was an illegal work-around.

And that is why the names of the contractors are highly classified, the existence of CIA fronts using the FBI access.

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Well yeah, but it wasn't just contractors gathering data independently, it was also built into a large database/tool, to be resourced by key leadership for blackmail/influencing actions. It goes way past the 2014 monitoring of Senate Intelligence Cmte. staffers computers. James Brown's hair piece let slip some of the information about one of the database's powers, but I don't think it was just facebook/social media data for a second.

There were (and are) layers of info classified/restricted to certain folks/spooks. No way they really briefed Maxine on the full capabilities/data sets.

He spied on friends (Merkel, Feinstein etc) and foes alike, and used an array of state police resources to do so. The question is if how that power/data was consolidated/wielded.

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Its not so much Rothschild and his 64K followers. Its that the message he's stating is the exact message the Dem Party and most of the MSM is and will use: that Trump is a kook and going after conspiracies with politicizing the DOJ and Barr, all the while ignoring the body count on Covid. Its of course a lie and the truth is essentially the exact opposite, but the pushback on this from all of the Dems, deep state, media is going to be like nothing we've ever seen.

That's why there must be indictments of high level people and actually very soon so more of the facts can start to get out in the public domain. Currently the only thing getting through is the Dem narrative and because the only people covering this are people like Hannity, Tucker, Ingraham, Limbaugh, it is seen as right wing conspiracists aiding Trump.

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And that's the part of all this that makes me sad/mad/crazy. Obamagate is bad, etc. but the fact that it's so easily covered up and the truth ignored and the facts manipulated is worse than anything Obama, et al. did. And add to that we have very few on our side to counter, I don't think even the indictments of higher levels will make it better. And the higher we go, the worse they'll make it sound. Indict Obama and the roof will blow off.

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It's being covered up only so far in the context that the media is bought and paid for by the DNC/China and happy to provide cover.

I will worry if nothing has happened by mid-October this year. But provided indictments (and arrests?) start happening, there will be no avoiding this regardless of media spin.

Why? By necessity, reality, and given the obvious media spin sure to come, the charges and evidence must be air tight on this. And to prevent this country from fracturing completely, the messaging will have to be up front about why these indictments are happening and how strong the evidence is. Barr and his team know that and will have it accounted for.

Barr's most recent interviews in the past two weeks where he talks both about the scope and scale of this, and even went so far as saying that this kind of thing must never happen again, tell me he's going to be seeing through the indictment, prosecution, and punishment of this group.

The next four months and largely the fate of the future of this country lie in his hands. Is he a swamper talking the talk, or a patriot who is going to walk the talk?

Do MOU's really exist, or are they just hand shaking agreements between agencies? I'm asking because do we know if that document really exists? In addition to all of the other items being revealed these days, I would think that particular MOU is eye opening.

BTW, is there a time when most "person of interest" flip? Since few Dems are ever indicted (we've all heard Baker has flipped), I've always assumed a member of the 7th floor would have to actually be indicted to feel pressure to flip.

I ask because if anyone really believed Obama would be indicted, it's probably going to have to be someone who regularly attended the meetings like the ones on Jan. 5, 2017

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He spied on friends (Merkel, Feinstein etc) and foes alike, and used an array of state police resources to do so. The question is if how that power/data was consolidated/wielded.

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Agree. If just one prominent person would come forward and say that information was used to pressure (essentially blackmail) them then we have a criminal enterprise that could be the basis for conspiracy charges under RICO.

Nor would I be surprised that campaign donors for Dems would be "persuaded" to donate to other Dems to the max allowed. Like that Schiff donor, Ed Buck, the sick criminal.

Speaking of Schiff4Brains, we have never received an explanation of how he got the phone records of Devin Nunes, John Solomon and Rudy Guiliani have we?

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/durham-moving-full-throttle-on-russia-probe-review-with-top-federal-prosecutors-involved-sources

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...Two sources told Fox News that Jeff Jensen, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri who was tapped by the Justice Department in February to review the case of former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, is continuing to help with Durham's investigation even after the DOJ's move last week to drop the case against Flynn.

The sources told Fox News that interim U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Timothy Shea is also assisting with components of the investigation.

"They farmed the investigation out because it is too much for Durham and he didn't want to be distracted," one of the sources told Fox News....

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Yup! Lots of different actors involved...lots of moving parts. That's why it is taking so long.

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As we used to say on projects...

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I"m pretty sure Nunes and/or Solomon sued Schiff. The general consensus was the companies that received Schiff's subpoena were likely going to be fined.

Schiff may received a censure, but I can''t imagine Pelosi allowing him to get punishment much worse.

Oh, so no, bugeyes isn't about to respond. No one will ask

BTW, doesn't "Tim Shea" sound like he should be parking cars in Belfast?

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Do MOU's really exist, or are they just hand shaking agreements between agencies? I'm asking because do we know if that document really exists? In addition to all of the other items being revealed these days, I would think that particular MOU is eye opening.

BTW, is there a time when most "person of interest" flip? Since few Dems are ever indicted (we've all heard Baker has flipped), I've always assumed a member of the 7th floor would have to actually be indicted to feel pressure to flip.

I ask because if anyone really believed Obama would be indicted, it's probably going to have to be someone who regularly attended the meetings like the ones on Jan. 5, 2017

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As to the MOU being "papered" that could happen in a variety of ways. A simple encrypted email with access codes, for example, with a title "Here's the information you requested."

If it was formally papered, it's been destroyed right after Rogers was on the trail, is my guess. That's when they switched to using confidential human sources to contact the Trump campaign's associates that they could no longer use electronic surveillance.

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From KT McFarland

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"They wanted to deflect attention to something very big. I don't know what it was that they were trying to cover up. But they went to enormous lengths to cover it up. It's very clear it wasn't just a few rogue agents at the FBI. This is not done by some mid-level government official in the Justice Department or the FBI. It was the highest levels of the FBI," she added.

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KT McFarland Interview

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But we now know what they were covering up--massive spying on American citizens for solely political purposes.

There was a memorandum of understanding between the FBI (not DOJ) and the CIA wherein CIA could slip their contractors under the FBI's contractor umbrella to do 702 queries of the NSA database. Since the CIA is specifically prohibited from spying on U.S. citizens, that was an illegal work-around.

And that is why the names of the contractors are highly classified, the existence of CIA fronts using the FBI access.

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I think most on here have suspected something like this, but this revelation is making lightbulbs go off in my head. I thought the IC had files on certain people. Hell, they have files on everyone. They just have to do a query and a person's secrets are there. It explains the actions and inactions of so many people. The list is endless. Here are some that come to mind: McCain, Ryan, McConnell, Graham, Romney, Roberts, Sessions, et al. It explains the two years of inaction when the Repubs controlled everything. All the people above wanted the Dems to win the House in 2018. They wanted an excuse to not do what we know needs to be done. I have so much respect for Jordan, Nunez. Ratcliff, et al. They must not have anything the spooks can use against them. Trump must be clean also. This is really scary sheet. Barr and Durham are approaching the Founding Fathers in importance to the future of our Republic.