We are staring down the barrel of another Great Depression. No president survives that and he WILL be blamed by an all too happy media and Democrat Party.TurkeyBaconLeg said:At this point is there really any sh-- storm that could hurt Trump in any way? They have tried everything to bring down Trump over the past four years. They have even impeached him.Rockdoc said:
Wray is safe until the election and he knows it. He knows what a **** storm it would create for trump. Since this didn't really happen under his watch, I can't see why he protects the bad actors.
Firing Wray may cause a ruckus, but it wont change any votes. He may as well just do it.
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My point was that an earlier poster said it should be easy and from experience I know it is not always easy, even when you think it should be. Some records just don't centralize well and you have to visit multiple sources to get the whole picture.
Damn!
The first person I thought of was Wray!
The first person I thought of was Wray!
For a RICO charge there has to be a furtherance of overall criminal activity. The conspiracy here is the overthrow of the duly elected President of the United States, only not by force.richardag said:
Thank you for this information. This in combination with RICO for Justice?
In another ironic twist, the conspiracy to defraud the United States legal theory that Team Mueller has crafted, interference with governmental operations, could be applied to hoist them by their own petard.
And for fasthorse, that could also ensnare Wray as a conspirator after the fact in covering up the crimes of his predecessor.
I do feel better now!
Wray kinda reminds me of some of our esteemed politicians on the Hill, espousing their passions to investigate "the crime of the day", but not too thoroughly, because they're involved too.
Wray kinda reminds me of some of our esteemed politicians on the Hill, espousing their passions to investigate "the crime of the day", but not too thoroughly, because they're involved too.
I would have given Wray a pass when the Mueller investigation was still ongoing but note I say "would have," past tense. He's on Barr and Durham's s***list for a reason.fasthorse05 said:
I do feel better now!
Wray kinda reminds me of some of our esteemed politicians on the Hill, espousing their passions to investigate "the crime of the day", but not too thoroughly, because they're involved too.
Wray was keeping his head down for the most part until recently when the stories started coming out about his possible obstruction in the Flynn case. Although an FBI spokesperson issued a denial, we all know how leaky DC is.
He will do all he can to protect Comey and Mueller.aggiehawg said:I would have given Wray a pass when the Mueller investigation was still ongoing but note I say "would have," past tense. He's on Barr and Durham's s***list for a reason.fasthorse05 said:
I do feel better now!
Wray kinda reminds me of some of our esteemed politicians on the Hill, espousing their passions to investigate "the crime of the day", but not too thoroughly, because they're involved too.
Wray was keeping his head down for the most part until recently when the stories started coming out about his possible obstruction in the Flynn case. Although an FBI spokesperson issued a denial, we all know how leaky DC is.
https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/05/30/forged-under-firebob-mueller-and-jim-comeys-unusual-friendship/Quote:
If Comey went, Mueller went; if Comey and Mueller went, so would the top ranks of both agencies. Chris Wray, the assistant attorney general in charge of the Criminal Division the same post Mueller had once held stopped Comey in the hallway at Main Justice to say, "Look, I don't know what's going on, but before you guys all pull the rip cords, please give me a headsup so I can jump with you."
I'm sure that story has been shared on here before and read by many, but I haven't read it before.
It has some funny/sad lines like this:
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Mueller should not have been involved, except that Comey knew him to be honest and trustworthy to a fault; his personal integrity was beyond reproach, his sense of values and the primacy of the Constitution second to none.
I'm not sure what to make of that last quote. Does it fall into the sad category, or funny?
I guess "sad", from the standpoint being if the comment is true, and many believe it was true, then he''s incredibly easily manipulated---see Weissman.
I guess "sad", from the standpoint being if the comment is true, and many believe it was true, then he''s incredibly easily manipulated---see Weissman.
From the link:
Ugh! Gotdamned Holder again.Quote:
The two men are deeply alike, sharing a background and core principles. Both educated at Virginia universities with a strong public service tradition (Mueller at the University of Virginia; Comey at William & Mary). They both achieved early success in the Justice Department and found subsequent life at private law firms lucrative but unfulfilling. Just years apart in the 1990s, they both gave up their top-tier private law firm jobs to return to the trenches of prosecuting criminalsMueller as a junior prosecutor in Washington, DC, and Comey in Richmond, Virginia. Both men were rising stars mentored and guided by Eric Holder in the 1990s during Holder's time in the Justice Department under the Clinton administration.
fasthorse05 said:
I'm not sure what to make of that last quote. Does it fall into the sad category, or funny?
I guess "sad", from the standpoint being if the comment is true, and many believe it was true, then he''s incredibly easily manipulated---see Weissman.
A little bit of both. Sad if it was true at the time, funny if it wasn't. I don't know if it was true then. I know it isn't close to true now.
Great minds....................
Thanx.
Thanx.
There are some "poor Mueller, he's ill" stories circulating around from "those close to him." Sympathy ploy before he's arrested in a pre-dawn raid, with a SWAT team and CNN cameras present? Good for the goose, good for the gander type of karma?fasthorse05 said:
I'm not sure what to make of that last quote. Does it fall into the sad category, or funny?
I guess "sad", from the standpoint being if the comment is true, and many believe it was true, then he''s incredibly easily manipulated---see Weissman.
Nah. Barr doesn't work that way. He doesn't go Gestapo on people but it would be entertaining.
lol, yep, that got me, too.aggiehawg said:
From the link:Ugh! Gotdamned Holder again.Quote:
The two men are deeply alike, sharing a background and core principles. Both educated at Virginia universities with a strong public service tradition (Mueller at the University of Virginia; Comey at William & Mary). They both achieved early success in the Justice Department and found subsequent life at private law firms lucrative but unfulfilling. Just years apart in the 1990s, they both gave up their top-tier private law firm jobs to return to the trenches of prosecuting criminals Mueller as a junior prosecutor in Washington, DC, and Comey in Richmond, Virginia. Both men were rising stars mentored and guided by Eric Holder in the 1990s during Holder's time in the Justice Department under the Clinton administration.
I have repeatedly said that if Holder came within a mile of the Flynn case, he was an idiot. But from Covington & Burling's response to Sydney's request for his phone records related to Flynn was not a denial, just a deflection. A denial would be "Eric Holder did not have any contact nor discussions regarding the Flynn case." Instead they said his phone records were irrelevant.VegasAg86 said:lol, yep, that got me, too.aggiehawg said:
From the link:Ugh! Gotdamned Holder again.Quote:
The two men are deeply alike, sharing a background and core principles. Both educated at Virginia universities with a strong public service tradition (Mueller at the University of Virginia; Comey at William & Mary). They both achieved early success in the Justice Department and found subsequent life at private law firms lucrative but unfulfilling. Just years apart in the 1990s, they both gave up their top-tier private law firm jobs to return to the trenches of prosecuting criminals Mueller as a junior prosecutor in Washington, DC, and Comey in Richmond, Virginia. Both men were rising stars mentored and guided by Eric Holder in the 1990s during Holder's time in the Justice Department under the Clinton administration.
Sydney didn't make that request on a whim. She has a reason to suspect Holder was involved in some form or fashion. His closeness with Mueller and Comey puts Sydney's request in a different light, in my view.
Interesting data point; Wray's connection to/with Sally Yates.
She's the one who originated the ludicrous Logan Act theory on Flynn, leading to the framing.
I knew about the Comey/Mueller/Weissman connections, but the King & Spalding one with Yates is new to me (sorry if I missed it). Sally of course unethically refused to support Trump's legal actions. She is another rabid partisan Obama over-promoted and her words themselves indict her actions.Quote:
As Assistant AG, Wray would have had a close working relationship with Robert Mueller who was FBI Director during Wray's tenure. Wray was a "bit player" in the drama involving efforts by some Bush Administration officials to get a hospitalized Attorney General John Ashcroft to reauthorize a covert surveillance program over the objections of some DOJ officials Comey and Mueller in particular who thought the program was constitutionally unsound and needed to be modified. Wray is reported to have sided with Comey and Mueller in the dispute. But other than these "professional" associations, there does not seem to be any obvious "personal" relationship between Wray and the other DOJ officials mentioned that might cause Wray discomfort with regard to releasing professionally embarrassing information about them.
But when Wray left government service in 2005, he did something unusual based on the preferences of his wife, they moved back to Atlanta, and he rejoined King & Spalding as a partner, where he remained for 12 years until nominated by Pres. Trump to become FBI Director in August 2017.
Like Wray, Sally Yates had started her legal career at King & Spalding about a decade earlier than Wray. And just like Wray, Yates left King & Spalding and joined the Atlanta U.S. Attorney's Office where she ended up making a career. During the Clinton Administration, she rose through the ranks to be one of the most accomplished trial attorneys in that office, leading the prosecution of 1996 Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph among other notable cases she handled. She held many leadership positions in the Office during her time there.
With the election of Barack Obama in 2008, Yates' career was boosted. In 2010, Pres. Obama nominated her to be the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Georgia, and she served in that position for five years. In May 2015, Yates was confirmed by the Senate to be the Deputy Attorney General, where she remained until fired by Pres. Trump in January 2017.
During the confirmation process following her nomination to be Dep. AG, a glowing letter of recommendation on her behalf was submitted by then King & Spalding partner Christopher Wray.
Sally Yates had been Wray's first supervisor when he joined the Atlanta US Attorney's Office in 1997. And in Dir. Wray's first-ever jury trial as a federal prosecutor, he served as "second chair" to Yates when
she was lead prosecutor for the government.
Wray's return to Atlanta in 2005, and to King & Spalding, put him back in the same legal orbit as Sally Yates as she rose from being an Assistant US Attorney to being named US Attorney by Pres. Obama. When she moved to DOJ in 2015 to become Dep. Attorney General, she joined many DOJ veterans whom Wray had worked with before leaving a decade earlier people like Andrew Weissman who, by that time, was himself a prominent supervisor in the Criminal Division.
It is beyond comprehension to me for anyone to suggest that Sally Yates, as Deputy Attorney General, was not 100% informed and on board with the FBI's approach to Crossfire Hurricane, and the subordinate investigation of Gen. Flynn under the title Crossfire Razor. She was in the room on January 5, 2017, when Pres. Obama was briefed on the status of the investigation, and everyone got their "marching orders" on how to deal with "informing" or not informing, as the case may be the incoming Trump Administration about the investigation.
Without question, she had the authority to tell the FBI to stand-down had she chosen to do so. We know from things that James Comey has written and said since being fired that he had little regard for Loretta Lynch as Attorney General. But he has never voiced any criticisms of Sally Yates as Deputy Attorney General. Had she objected to what the FBI was doing, Comey and McCabe would have likely altered course. They never did.
Sally Yates will likely turn out to be a much more of a player in the Russia investigation than is publicly known at this time. All operational components of DOJ function under the supervision of the Deputy AG's office which she headed up from May 2015 to January 2017. This covers the entirety of the Obama DOJ's investigation of the Trump campaign and campaign officials such as General Flynn and Carter Page.
If the entire matter is about to "burn down" under the weight of scrutiny first with the Inspector General, then with the aggressive defense of General Flynn by his new defense team, and next by U.S. Attorney Durham's criminal investigation, Sally Yates is at risk of huge professional embarrassment at the very least.
Christopher Wray resigned from King & Spalding in 2017 when he rejoined DOJ by becoming FBI Director.
Sally Yates joined King & Spalding when she was fired by Pres. Trump from DOJ.
She's the one who originated the ludicrous Logan Act theory on Flynn, leading to the framing.
I think she has really good sources. The Sara Carter email above reminds me that Carter and Solomon have both said FBI agents approached them shortly after the election and said everything was a sham. I'm assuming guys like that gave Sara the high fives, **** Flynn and I ****ing hate Trump information. I'd bet money Sydney has spoken to those agents extensively.aggiehawg said:I have repeatedly said that if Holder came within a mile of the Flynn case, he was an idiot. But from Covington & Burling's response to Sydney's request for his phone records related to Flynn was not a denial, just a deflection. A denial would be "Eric Holder did not have any contact nor discussions regarding the Flynn case." Instead they said his phone records were irrelevant.VegasAg86 said:lol, yep, that got me, too.aggiehawg said:
From the link:Ugh! Gotdamned Holder again.Quote:
The two men are deeply alike, sharing a background and core principles. Both educated at Virginia universities with a strong public service tradition (Mueller at the University of Virginia; Comey at William & Mary). They both achieved early success in the Justice Department and found subsequent life at private law firms lucrative but unfulfilling. Just years apart in the 1990s, they both gave up their top-tier private law firm jobs to return to the trenches of prosecuting criminals Mueller as a junior prosecutor in Washington, DC, and Comey in Richmond, Virginia. Both men were rising stars mentored and guided by Eric Holder in the 1990s during Holder's time in the Justice Department under the Clinton administration.
Sydney didn't make that request on a whim. She has a reason to suspect Holder was involved in some form or fashion. His closeness with Mueller and Comey puts Sydney's request in a different light, in my view.
I know guilt by association is not a legal avenue but conspiracy is. Didn't Sydney allude to more texts and email messages would be coming from the FBI/DOJ courtesy of Jensen soon? Wonder if Yates' communications might be among them?Quote:
I knew about the Comey/Mueller/Weissman connections, but the King & Spalding one with Yates is new to me (sorry if I missed it). Sally of course unethically refused to support Trump's legal actions. She is another rabid partisan Obama over-promoted and her words themselves indict her actions.
She's the one who originated the ludicrous Logan Act theory on Flynn, leading to the framing.
These people have no shame. They never thought she would lose.
What is galling to me is the fact that a leak investigation was opened the DAY AFTER Sara Carter e-mailed Kortan.drcrinum said:
There have been hundreds of other leaks by the swamp to damage Trump. Some have been investigated, many others likely have not. But we know that James Wolfe was caught red-handed leaking classified information from the Senate Intelligence Committee and he only got a slap on the wrist (two month sentence) for lying to the FBI. Nothing at all for leaking. This is a mockery of justice.
I well remember picking my jaw up off of the floor when Comey was testifying in March 2017 about the leaks of Presidential conversations with other heads of state. He was so cavalier about not even knowing how many people had clearance to even see those transcripts.Quote:
What is galling to me is the fact that a leak investigation was opened the DAY AFTER Sara Carter e-mailed Kortan.
There have been hundreds of other leaks by the swamp to damage Trump. Some have been investigated, many others likely have not. But we know that James Wolfe was caught red-handed leaking classified information from the Senate Intelligence Committee and he only got a slap on the wrist (two month sentence) for lying to the FBI. Nothing at all for leaking. This is a mockery of justice.
But then again, the measures taken by the Obama administration to widely broadcast everything among the IC intended to express the old adage of safety in numbers. Something else I'm sure Flynn was eyeing to reverse. If anyone, Flynn would be sensitive to operational security and the necessity to keep the circles small.
Yes. It's an illustration of the old axiom that 'you don't want to see how the legal sausage is made.' This is a level of DoJ and FBI corruption that has never even been considered, let alone exposed. I still strongly doubt it is documented via charges, but the exposure and reality is something I don't think an honest observer can at this point even begin to deny, as to it's very real existence.aggiehawg said:I know guilt by association is not a legal avenue but conspiracy is. Didn't Sydney allude to more texts and email messages would be coming from the FBI/DOJ courtesy of Jensen soon? Wonder if Yates' communications might be among them?Quote:
I knew about the Comey/Mueller/Weissman connections, but the King & Spalding one with Yates is new to me (sorry if I missed it). Sally of course unethically refused to support Trump's legal actions. She is another rabid partisan Obama over-promoted and her words themselves indict her actions.
She's the one who originated the ludicrous Logan Act theory on Flynn, leading to the framing.
These people have no shame. They never thought she would lose.
King & Spalding is also a huge international trade law firm, one of whose partners (Stephen Vaughn) was notably lauded by Trump even this year. Yes, they have Rosenstein on the salary roll too. At the levels we are talking about here, the degree of incestuous professional relationships/debts are very, very high.
The law office of Whu, Yah, No.
Always brings me back around to Ellen Farkas. She all but admitted the scheme. All the rest has been trying to put together the pieces or cover them up, depending on which side you were on.
Yeah Farkas really spilled the beans. And Mika just sat there and let her go on and on. I hope she has a sit down with Durham soon or better yet, already has been grilled.MouthBQ98 said:
Always brings me back around to Ellen Farkas. She all but admitted the scheme. All the rest has been trying to put together the pieces or cover them up, depending on which side you were on.
Ellen Farkas knew, but Barack Obama will find out about it when it gets reported on the news.aggiehawg said:Yeah Farkas really spilled the beans. And Mika just sat there and let her go on and on. I hope she has a sit down with Durham soon or better yet, already has been grilled.MouthBQ98 said:
Always brings me back around to Ellen Farkas. She all but admitted the scheme. All the rest has been trying to put together the pieces or cover them up, depending on which side you were on.
Actually it's Evelyn. Missed that the first time.VegasAg86 said:Ellen Farkas knew, but Barack Obama will find out about it when it gets reported on the news.aggiehawg said:Yeah Farkas really spilled the beans. And Mika just sat there and let her go on and on. I hope she has a sit down with Durham soon or better yet, already has been grilled.MouthBQ98 said:
Always brings me back around to Ellen Farkas. She all but admitted the scheme. All the rest has been trying to put together the pieces or cover them up, depending on which side you were on.
Do they not have access to it? Just leak it like the other side does.
Schiff and Pelosi would have them up on ethics charges before the ink was dry on the newspaper articles.Wozlaw said:
Do they not have access to it? Just leak it like the other side does.
They've already had the vote to release them. How can he block their release after the vote?
What are you going to do about it?VegasAg86 said:
They've already had the vote to release them. How can he block their release after the vote?
Not sure I'd call her a ****, but if she's fine with it.
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