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Not exactly news. Mueller blackmailed people. We have known that he made up crimes to do that.

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it would be news that HIS counsel was attempting to assist Mueller and breaking their oath and privilege in the process.

sorry wrong thread.

I'll post this instead.

Sidney is PO'd.

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Not news, but infuriating. People have to pay for this.

More analysis. Barr's trying to basically let Flynn go, imho.

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When Barr said "he's making it harder for me to do my job", in essence President Trump was making it harder for Barr to protect his institutions. Trump is too much sunlight.

Rod Rosenstein essentially protected James Wolfe because he saw no way the institutions of the U.S. government could survive the potential evidence in a trial. Setting aside opinion on Rosenstein's enabling of the sedition; enabling underpinning seditious activity; the decision makes sense. [Consequences too big to jail]

Bill Barr essentially protected Andrew McCabe, and as a consequence Rod Rosenstein, out of a similar necessity. From AG Barr's perspective, there was no way the institutions of government could survive the potential evidence at a McCabe trial; and McCabe would call Rosenstein as a defense witness. [Consequences too big to jail]

At the heart of the matter, in the real activity that took place, there was a multi-branch seditious effort to remove President Donald J Trump. From the perspective of those charged with the actual administration of justice there is no way to put this in front of the American public and have the institutions survive. What we are witnessing is a dance between increasingly narrowing rails and the DOJ, via Bill Barr, trying to find an exit.

All of this 2020 angst is a downstream consequence of the 2018 decision not to prosecute James Wolfe; and the specific reason why they made that decision.

Those who framed the sedition recognize Bill Barr's outlook on institutional preservation is an opportunity to weaponize against him. That is why four prosecutors could so easily defy his authority and set Barr up with the Roger Stone sentencing recommendation.

The Lawfare team know Bill Barr is trying to navigate away from exposing seditious corruption the same Lawfare team helped facilitate. The Lawfare group know Barr cannot prosecute McCabe; and they know exactly why. The Lawfare group can also see Barr protecting Rosenstein; and again, they know the reason why.

The corrupt crew saw what the DOJ and FBI did when they had the opportunity to expose it all in 2018. DAG Rosenstein was afraid.

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Bonfire1996 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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TacosaurusRex said:

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Not exactly news. Mueller blackmailed people. We have known that he made up crimes to do that.

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it would be news that HIS counsel was attempting to assist Mueller and breaking their oath and privilege in the process.

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Not to me. I've known they had a massive conflict of interest wherein selling out Flynn on the false statement charge removed their potential liability for the FARA charges, which were also manufactured, in large part.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/cyber-security-report-raises-questions-about-falsified

Another Steele dossier piece of 'intel' that was fake/false.

If I'm not mistaken, this was info that Michael Sussman of Perkins Coie gave to James Baker.

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If I'm not mistaken, this was info that Michael Sussman of Perkins Coie gave to James Baker.

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I think you are correct, as I recall Baker's testimony in his deposition. Perkins, Coie was up to their eyeballs in fluffing these stories.

Years ago I started a thread "Let's talk about Perkins, Coie." Their client list was quite impressive...and all politically aligned and connected. Google, CrowdStrike, (through Google's large ownership stake in them before the IPO*) DNC, Hillary's campaign, Obama's foundation and the like.


* Still think there could be some fall out for CrowdStrike from their IPO from the SEC. They issued some corrective statements not too long ago.

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It's not exactly as Posobeic would have you believe. Read Flynn's Declaration above, Item 16.
For 'leverage'.

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I thought that might be what Posobeic was sensationalizing. Thank you and Hawg for clearing it up.

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Sigh. You know? At some point Wray's foot dragging becomes conspiracy to obstruct justice and actual obstruction of justice, itself. Not sure what all he has done since there is little transparency with Wray but he's got to be damn close to that line. And withholding Brady can result in jail time under Sullivan's standing order. It is criminal contempt of court, not to mention a deprivation of civil rights under color of law.

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His foot dragging is only protecting the deep state. So yes, I'd say he's crossed that line.

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That "analysis" is excuse making. If Barr is not going after McCabe because he has to "protect government institutions" he is not fit for office & should be kicked to the curb

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Thank you.

While I agree this particular national issue of government run amok is much bigger than anything we've ever seen, involving a minimum of three agencies--DOJ (FBI), CIA, and State--the country has been through this before, see the Church hearings. IMO, we'll survive. In fact, its necessary.

Certainly, the DOJ and FBI needs to have the rotten wood completely removed, I'm not so sure about the CIA. Brennan was in a position to coordinate much of his grand plan by himself, although I'm sure there were 3 to 5 handy men he needed to facilitate his tactics. I'm convinced State is corrupt from the foundation up, and likely needs to same DOJ treatment, but I don't know many of the players, or where to start.

But the DOJ and FBI HAVE to be put on the chopping block, recast, and built again. I see no other way for me to have any trust.

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That "analysis" is excuse making. If Barr is not going after McCabe because he has to "protect government institutions" he is not fit for office & should be kicked to the curb

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You won't get an argument out of me on that. Trump's embrace of Rosenstein, Barr, Wray (lavishly praised by Barr), and others in this whole ordeal is preposterous and his greatest mistake, imho. I assume he thinks he can only push so far on it, is his rationale (and maybe he's distracted nowadays and believes Barr).

Why is Pientka not forced to provide testimony publicly on this? There's no excuse now, and the mooted indictments last week...didn't happen.

The latest fantasy, which is downright delusional, is that there is an intent that this institutional earth-shaking round of prosecutions will have to happen after the election as it's too damaging to happen during 'politics season.' I don't have enough expletives in my vocabulary to provide my thoughts on that lunacy.

BTW, while the Wuhan virus and Spygate are filling the news, has anyone heard or read ANYTHING about the Ukraine/Biden/Hunter investigation?

I only ask because I've not seen any CTH, Gateway Pundit, or Sara Carter articles in quite sometime. For that matter, ANY news.

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I agree to a point but the thing that makes me wonder about what is going on is that if Trump was not happy with Barr, he would let everyone know that. Trump has said very little about Rosenstein and Wray and we know both have been awful (Rosenstein has been treasonous and Wray is covering up crimes of the FBI). So why has Trump been silent about all of this when that goes against his nature?

I don't know the answer but it is disappointing that we are not that far from the election and still nothing. And if Trump loses the election there is zero chance of any justice.

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This is the part that continues to give me hope.

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Scared? Or more to it than we know and don't want it exposed for fear of screwing something up?

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The only legit excuse for Wray blocking Brady material is if there is a pending investigation or grand jury proceeding where the exculpatory evidence is subject to grand jury secrecy rules.

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The only legit excuse for Wray blocking Brady material is if there is a pending investigation or grand jury proceeding where the exculpatory evidence is subject to grand jury secrecy rules.

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So that is really how our laws work? If you have exculpatory information that is caught up in another investigation, you can ruin someone else's life because another investigation has claim to that evidence?

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So that is really how our laws work? If you have exculpatory information that is caught up in another investigation, you can ruin someone else's life because another investigation has claim to that evidence?

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When the targets of the second investigation are the original prosecuting attorneys? Yes. But that's speculation about Wray's perspective. I don't think Wray is that principled, I think he's more driven by desire to protect the FBI from further embarrassment.

Margot responded shortly after that tweet that she just thought it was up to the DoJ to hand over Brady material, not the FBI's call. I think she is a great reporter but has little experience/knowledge of law enforcement; the issue is likely that the FBI didn't give the DoJ the material in the first place.

There is a "there" in this case, with respect to whether Wray and the FBI redacted/didn't provide the information to the prosecutors/US Atty's to hand over.

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Margot responded shortly after that tweet that she just thought it was up to the DoJ to hand over Brady material, not the FBI's call. I think she is a great reporter but has little experience/knowledge of law enforcement; the issue is likely that the FBI didn't give the DoJ the material in the first place.

There is a "there" in this case, with respect to whether Wray and the FBI redacted/didn't provide the information to the prosecutors/US Atty's to hand over.

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Well, somebody made a decision somewhere. Since FBI reports to DOJ, either insubordination or someone didn't ask. This crap originated under Mueller who was on an island and allowed to be so by Rosenstein.

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The only legit excuse for Wray blocking Brady material is if there is a pending investigation or grand jury proceeding where the exculpatory evidence is subject to grand jury secrecy rules.

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So that is really how our laws work? If you have exculpatory information that is caught up in another investigation, you can ruin someone else's life because another investigation has claim to that evidence?

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Especially when the judge is being a turd about letting him out of his bogus guilty plea.

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Especially when the judge is being a turd about letting him out of his bogus guilty plea.

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Suppose Judge Sullivan hadn't made an ass of himself, had just accepted Flynn's plea & sentenced him to probation. Case over. Cover-up in place. Would we ever have learned what actually took place?

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Especially when the judge is being a turd about letting him out of his bogus guilty plea.

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Suppose Judge Sullivan hadn't made an ass of himself, had just accepted Flynn's plea & sentenced him to probation. Case over. Cover-up in place. Would we ever have learned what actually took place?

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No. But Team Mueller lawyers misplayed their cards in trying to get Flynn to plead to something that he didn't agree to, namely that he knew at the time of the FARA filing that he was intentionally misleading the government. He never had agreed to that and his lawyers never explained the differences to him.

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Especially when the judge is being a turd about letting him out of his bogus guilty plea.

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Suppose Judge Sullivan hadn't made an ass of himself, had just accepted Flynn's plea & sentenced him to probation. Case over. Cover-up in place. Would we ever have learned what actually took place?

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No. But Team Mueller lawyers misplayed their cards in trying to get Flynn to plead to something that he didn't agree to, namely that he knew at the time of the FARA filing that he was intentionally misleading the government. He never had agreed to that and his lawyers never explained the differences to him.

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It's amazing that of all of the unlikely scenarios over the past few years about this coup attempt, the combination of Barr/DoJ hoping to get a case dismissed to avoid (even more) evidence of wrongdoing by the FBI/DoJ senior leadership, and the defendant claiming in protracted filings, of all things, ineffective assistance of counsel (one of the hardest things to get a verdict overturned with, to non-atty's reading, though the sleazy judge did not accept this), and then, protracted Brady material disclosures finally being made by the US Atty's during sentencing, might somehow be the feathers that break the camels' back here.

Oh, and a special prosecutor's team making an underhanded off-the-books deal with a defendant's legal team to get dirt/a plea deal in exchange for inaction not disclosed to a defendant.

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It's amazing that of all of the unlikely scenarios over the past few years about this coup attempt, the combination of Barr/DoJ hoping to get a case dismissed to avoid (even more) evidence of wrongdoing by the FBI/DoJ senior leadership, and the defendant claiming in protracted filings, of all things, ineffective assistance of counsel (one of the hardest things to get a verdict overturned with, to non-atty's reading, though the sleazy judge did not accept this), and then, protracted Brady material disclosures finally being made by the US Atty's during sentencing, might somehow be the feathers that break the camels' back here.

Oh, and a special prosecutor's team making an underhanded off-the-books deal with a defendant's legal team to get dirt/a plea deal in exchange for inaction not disclosed to a defendant.

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It is amazing. For such a supposed Dream Team of legal firepower, they sure did shoot themselves in the foot a lot, usually by overreach.

This is an interesting speculation with good legs. Several times I have highlighted "The Mechanics of Deception" by Apelbaum on our thread -- it's a fascinating long read.
https://apelbaum.wordpress.com/tag/edward-baumgartner/
In it, the author, Apelbaum, firmly believes that Edward Baumgartner was one of the authors of Steele's dossier. Baumgartner, fluent in Russian, is co-founder of Edward Austin, a UK-based research and business intelligence consultancy specializing in the former Soviet Union. Baumgartner had contracts with Steele's Orbis Business Intelligence as well as Hakluyt, & most important, he worked for Fusion GPS as well & was acquainted with Nellie Ohr. Baumgartner would be a great source for current contacts in Russia as well as personal traveling to Russia. This is from Edward Austin:

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Edward Austin is a bespoke research-driven consultancy specialising primarily in the former Soviet Union (FSU). Established in the UK in 2010, we have a presence in Russia, partners and affiliates in Kazakhstan and Ukraine, and an extensive network throughout our core region and worldwide.
We provide services in three key areas: strategic research, due diligence and corporate communication. Clients include leading public companies, law firms, corporate intelligence houses, investors and advisers in the UK, continental Europe and the US, and major businesses and public institutions in the FSU. As a bespoke partnership, we focus on understanding clients' requirements, ensuring personal service and offering exceptional value. We also combine in-depth knowledge of FSU business, language and culture with international expertise. Integrity and confidentiality are central to what we do.

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Apelbaum analyzes Baumgartner's writing style & goes into considerable detail about Baumgartner's social media postings & writings:

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Baumgartner social media posting history is also noteworthy because it correlates directly with his work in Fusion GPS. For example, he is re-posting information about the dossier utilizing pre-public leaked information. He's essentially betraying prior knowledge of the dossier by including these specific buzzwords in his tweets.

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Oh yes, Baumgartner is rabid anti-Trump in his Twitter account. Here's an example with an interesting play of words:

Anyway, going into the recently unredacted footnotes from Horowitz's Report, #347, Page 192, it reveals that Steele's Primary Sub-source had personal & business ties with a sub source. Well, we are relatively assured that Steele's Primary Sub-source is Yuri Shvets -- discussed earlier on our thread. If indeed Baumgartner was this subsource that had personal & business ties with Shvets, then one can see the merry-go-round of Baumgartner floating between Shvets, Fusion GPS & Steele. Most certainly, the FBI & Durham would know about this if indeed, Baumgartner was this subsource. Baumgartner is a name to file in your memory banks.

Again I am amazed. Steele would probably, if forced to testify, assert he can't recall who his primary source and sub-source are, but it's totally believable it was Bumgartner.

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Again I am amazed. Steele would probably, if forced to testify, assert he can't recall who his primary source and sub-source are, but it's totally believable it was Bumgartner.

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I don't understand why Steele hasn't been indicted yet for lying to the FBI on multiple occasions.

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Again I am amazed. Steele would probably, if forced to testify, assert he can't recall who his primary source and sub-source are, but it's totally believable it was Bumgartner.

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I don't understand why Steele hasn't been indicted yet for lying to the FBI on multiple occasions.

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That's only a crime if Republicans do it.