https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/roger-stone-denied-retrial-judge-says-forewoman-says-juror-anti-trump

As expected.

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It's increasingly obvious that my suspicions and the suspicions of many others were correct: the Mueller investigation was a coverup attempt primarily, and secondarily a Hail Mary attempt to regain political power by the establishment powers in Washington, and a lot of insiders were aware or also suspected this and had to decide which side to take and when while this was all going on, not knowing then what the outcome would be.

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Aaaand the list of DC POSs just keeps getting longer.

I like Barr but feel he is erring on the side of caution to some extent as well. DOJ policy is not to comment upon pending or past investigations instead letting indictments speak for them. He knows there are a lot of dirty players here but is it really the best use of resources to go after all of them?

And resources are critical here. Barr does not have the same blank check that Mueller had. He has to allocate his resources among all of the US Attorney offices across the country.

What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

VaultingChemist said:

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What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

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Integrity maybe?

Since the federal purse strings run through the House, I'm assuming Barr would have to go to the House for additional funds?

Oh, FWIW, I agree with your sentiment on Barr, but it's just an opinion. You already know I want a a desolate legal landscape after the investigation is completed.

VaultingChemist said:

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What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

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The law.

aggiehawg said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

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The law.

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The same law that prevented Comey, Brennan, et al from using FISA against Page/Trump, right?

VegasAg86 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

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The law.

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The same law that prevented Comey, Brennan, et al from using FISA against Page/Trump, right?

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That would be it.

Following the law is for chumps

aggiehawg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

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The law.

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The same law that prevented Comey, Brennan, et al from using FISA against Page/Trump, right?

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That would be it.

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The more I think about it, the more my blood boils that they knew Page was a CIA asset working to convict Russian spies and they swore to a federal judge they had probable cause to believe he was a Russian agent.

aggiehawg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

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The law.

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The same law that prevented Comey, Brennan, et al from using FISA against Page/Trump, right?

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That would be it.

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Would their actions count as legal precedent for Durham to use FISA?

https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/michael-cohen-will-be-released-from-prison-over-coronavirus/

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Disgraced lawyer Michael Cohen will be released from an upstate New York prison over coronavirus concerns, sources said.

President Trump's former fixer must first complete a 14-day quaratine period at Otisville Federal prison that begins Friday, before he's let out on home confinement, according to sources.

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He will be able to finish out his sentence in home confinement, according to sources.

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The more I think about it, the more my blood boils that they knew Page was a CIA asset working to convict Russian spies and they swore to a federal judge they had probable cause to believe he was a Russian agent.

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It is tantamount to accusing Page of treason and espionage so your blood should be boiling.

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So, about 212 F?

Sorry, not there yet...just checked my temp, too...only 116F more to go.

I'm no help...

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The more I think about it, the more my blood boils that they knew Page was a CIA asset working to convict Russian spies and they swore to a federal judge they had probable cause to believe he was a Russian agent.

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It is tantamount to accusing Page of treason and espionage so your blood should be boiling.

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So, about 212 F?

Sorry, not there yet...just checked my temp, too...only 116F more to go.

I'm no help...

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Considering I have long been one of the more vocally outraged posters on this thread for the last two+ years, don't sweat it. Even I have outrage exhaustion by this point.

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https://nypost.com/2020/04/16/michael-cohen-will-be-released-from-prison-over-coronavirus/

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Disgraced lawyer Michael Cohen will be released from an upstate New York prison over coronavirus concerns, sources said.

President Trump's former fixer must first complete a 14-day quaratine period at Otisville Federal prison that begins Friday, before he's let out on home confinement, according to sources.

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He will be able to finish out his sentence in home confinement, according to sources.

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Will be back on CNN within 24 hours.

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Will be back on CNN within 24 hours.

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Hope he has to show his ankle monitor.

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aggiehawg said:

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What prevents Durham using FISA against the plotters connected to Steele?

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That would be it.

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The more I think about it, the more my blood boils that they knew Page was a CIA asset working to convict Russian spies and they swore to a federal judge they had probable cause to believe he was a Russian agent.

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Well, you know, he had connections to Russians, and Trump! He had to be guilty.

have y'all seen any confirmation?

edited to add:

It was lifted in Judge Jackson's order since the case is now final.
https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.203583/gov.uscourts.dcd.203583.361.0_4.pdf

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/04/17/declassified-doj-letter-to-fisa-court-highlights-severe-institutional-corruption-doj-blames-fbi-for-spygate/

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...Keep in mind this letter to the court was written by AAG John Demers in July 2018. Jeff Sessions was Attorney General, Rod Rosenstein was Deputy AG; Christopher Wray was FBI Director, David Bowditch is Deputy, and Dana Boente is FBI chief-legal-counsel.

Why would the DOJ-NSD not be forthcoming with the FISA court about the primary sub-source? This level of disingenuous withholding of information speaks to an institutional motive.

By July 2018 the DOJ clearly knew the dossier was full of fabrications, yet they withheld that information from the court and said the predicate was still valid. Why?

It doesn't take a deep-weeds-walker to identify the DOJ motive.

In July 2018 Robert Mueller's investigation was at its apex.

This letter justifying the application and claiming the current information would still be a valid predicate therein, speaks to the 2018 DOJ needing to retain the validity of the FISA warrant. My research suspicion is that the DOJ needed to protect evidence Mueller had already extracted from the fraudulent FISA authority. That's the motive......

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More about that July 2018 letter from the DOJ to Judge Collyer which was posted on our preceding page -- a good read. Sundance elaborates on this letter which was extremely misleading, and now which, in view of Horowitz's Report, speaks volumes about the plotters. Not only is Mueller a POS, but Rosenstein is as well, not to mention a few others cited above.

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Good work by Mueller

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Curious, do you still think Mueller both in this action and in his subsequent report/testimony did good work?

I think this is/was just covering his tail, and that his report and more importantly extended investigation is treasonous.

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BMX Bandit said:

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Good work by Mueller

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Curious, do you still think Mueller both in this action and in his subsequent report/testimony did good work?

I think this is/was just covering his tail, and that his report and more importantly extended investigation is treasonous.

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What was I saying "good work mueller" to? There's no many facets of what they looked into.

I think calling it treasonous is silly.

It's clear from his testimony he didn't "personally" do anything good or bad in the investigation. He could barely articulate a sentence when he testified, so I assume he was sane way throughout. The testimony was embarrassingly bad for him, and by realty ok his team. But he's the leader so he deserves any scorn directed his team's way

Said years ago the Flynn prosecution was a set up from the get go. Mueller team didn't start that, but he certainly should have stopped it.

It's happy hour Trump presser now, so will have to respond more tomorrow.

Could we be seeing all of this info from this week come out because Durham is about done?

https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/17/christopher-steele-bill-priestap-dossier-mi6/

Another one of the recently declassified footnotes in Horowitz's Report (Footnote 328, p. 183). Priestap & Strzok traveled to London to check up on Steele's background in November 2016. They received both positive & negative info, but the negative info never made it to the validation file on Steele. The redacted portion was Priestap recalling that he may have made a commitment to UK officials not to document the negative info. Really? & this was redacted?

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https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/17/christopher-steele-bill-priestap-dossier-mi6/

Another one of the recently declassified footnotes in Horowitz's Report (Footnote 328, p. 183). Priestap & Strzok traveled to London to check up on Steele's background in November 2016. They received both positive & negative info, but the negative info never made it to the validation file on Steele. The redacted portion was Priestap recalling that he may have made a commitment to UK officials not to document the negative info. Really? & this was redacted?

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Of course...it goes to "methods"...right?

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BMX Bandit said:

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Curious, do you still think Mueller both in this action and in his subsequent report/testimony did good work?

I think this is/was just covering his tail, and that his report and more importantly extended investigation is treasonous.

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That post is the second post in the thread (12/2/2017). The good work was firing Strzok and Page.

Yes, I'm just realizing how long this has now gone on, going back to spying on Trump campaign, before using Russian disinformation for a longer term effort to impeach him, and the Flynn frame job of course that was part of it.

I just am curious of those who have followed throughout what the general consensus is. Myself, I do think it's treasonous what all happened, and also the cover up itself. I also want Susan Rice's Inauguration Day memo explained in detail as well as the scope memo of the mueller witch hunt team.

We're finally getting some steady drips of information now thanks to Grennell but it's definitely not the DoJ/FBI trying to shed sunlight where they can.

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Yes, I'm just realizing how long this has now gone on, going back to spying on Trump campaign, before using Russian disinformation for a longer term effort to impeach him, and the Flynn frame job of course that was part of it.

I just am curious of those who have followed throughout what the general consensus is. Myself, I do think it's treasonous what all happened, and also the cover up itself. I also want Susan Rice's Inauguration Day memo explained in detail as well as the scope memo of the mueller witch hunt team.

We're finally getting some steady drips of information now thanks to Grennell but it's definitely not the DoJ/FBI trying to shed sunlight where they can.

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Rice will never tell the truth about that memo, but there's no doubt it was a CYA memo.

I'm hoping Grennell declassifies the scope memo.

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https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/17/christopher-steele-bill-priestap-dossier-mi6/

Another one of the recently declassified footnotes in Horowitz's Report (Footnote 328, p. 183). Priestap & Strzok traveled to London to check up on Steele's background in November 2016. They received both positive & negative info, but the negative info never made it to the validation file on Steele. The redacted portion was Priestap recalling that he may have made a commitment to UK officials not to document the negative info. Really? & this was redacted?

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Not surprising, since the #1 reason for redactions is preventing embarrassment.

https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/04/alexander-downer-and-russiagate-a-bigger-picture/

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.....As reported here, it seems that -- according to Turnbull -- despite being the Australian High Commissioner to Britain, Downer did not have the Australian government's authority to contact George Papadopoulos and question him about the Trump campaign's Russian connections or to raise his concerns with the US Embassy in London. According to Turnbull:

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[Downer] had no authority from Canberra to do this, and the first we heard of it in Australia was when the FBI turned up in London and wanted to interview Downer. We were very reluctant to get dragged into the middle of the US presidential election, but agreed to Downer being interviewed on the basis it was kept confidential and any information he provided was not circulated beyond the FBI.

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So, there you have it; Malcolm didn't know about it until the Feds came knocking -- and we know whose side they were on. But the question, the real issue is why Downer got involved? That will only come out if there is an enquiry where we put various actors under oath and cross-examine them. Will that happen? Probably not.....

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Crossfire Hurricane commenced because of Downer's meeting with Papadopoulos, but to this date we only have sketchy details outlining how this meeting actually came about. It was allegedly initiated by Erika Thompson, an associate of Downer's, & that Thompson's boyfriend (Christian Cantor, who hated Trump) worked in the political branch at the Israeli embassy. Papadopoulos had met Thompson through her boyfriend. That's really all we know. It just sounds 'very convenient' -- An Australian diplomat (Downer) intimately involved with the Clinton Foundation & an Israeli official who hated Trump.

Another reference:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-22/george-papadopoulos-alexander-downer-meeting-what-happened/10286868

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https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/04/alexander-downer-and-russiagate-a-bigger-picture/

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.....As reported here, it seems that -- according to Turnbull -- despite being the Australian High Commissioner to Britain, Downer did not have the Australian government's authority to contact George Papadopoulos and question him about the Trump campaign's Russian connections or to raise his concerns with the US Embassy in London. According to Turnbull:

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[Downer] had no authority from Canberra to do this, and the first we heard of it in Australia was when the FBI turned up in London and wanted to interview Downer. We were very reluctant to get dragged into the middle of the US presidential election, but agreed to Downer being interviewed on the basis it was kept confidential and any information he provided was not circulated beyond the FBI.

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So, there you have it; Malcolm didn't know about it until the Feds came knocking -- and we know whose side they were on. But the question, the real issue is why Downer got involved? That will only come out if there is an enquiry where we put various actors under oath and cross-examine them. Will that happen? Probably not.....

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Crossfire Hurricane commenced because of Downer's meeting with Papadopoulos, but to this date we only have sketchy details outlining how this meeting actually came about. It was allegedly initiated by Erika Thompson, an associate of Downer's, & that Thompson's boyfriend (Christian Cantor, who hated Trump) worked in the political branch at the Israeli embassy. Papadopoulos had met Thompson through her boyfriend. That's really all we know. It just sounds 'very convenient' -- An Australian diplomat (Downer) intimately involved with the Clinton Foundation & an Israeli official who hated Trump.

Another reference:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-22/george-papadopoulos-alexander-downer-meeting-what-happened/10286868

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I would bet that Downer is involved because of the FVEY connection...Australia, Canada, New Zealand, UK and USA...

That was a path to collect / share Intel on American Citizens without involving C_A resources, which would "break the rules"...not that that stopped them in other cases.

BUT, Downer was involved very early, in order to establish a precedent for more direct involvement by the FBI / C_A downstream...

My perception...

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https://dailycaller.com/2020/04/17/christopher-steele-bill-priestap-dossier-mi6/

Another one of the recently declassified footnotes in Horowitz's Report (Footnote 328, p. 183). Priestap & Strzok traveled to London to check up on Steele's background in November 2016. They received both positive & negative info, but the negative info never made it to the validation file on Steele. The redacted portion was Priestap recalling that he may have made a commitment to UK officials not to document the negative info. Really? & this was redacted?

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Not surprising, since the #1 reason for redactions is preventing embarrassment.

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It is surprising for exactly that
https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

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Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. (a) In no case shall
information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail
to be declassified in order to:
(1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
(3) restrain competition; or
(4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.
(b) Basic scientific research information not clearly related to the national security shall not be classified.
(c) Information may not be reclassified after declassification and release to the public under proper authority unless:

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Does it happen? All the time. That is also surprising.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/fbi-collected-improper-cell-phone-pictures-while-spying