This short video clip with Joe neatly ties the preceding 2 posts together.

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C. The FBI Identifies and Interviews the Primary Sub-Source in Early 2017

An important aspect of the FBI's assessment of Steele's election reporting involved evaluating Steele's source network, especially whether the sub-sources had access to reliable information. As noted in the first FISA application, Steele relied on a primary sub-source (Primary Sub-source) for information, and this Primary Sub-source used a network of sub-sources to gather the information that was relayed to Steele; Steele himself was not the originating source of any of the factual information in his reporting. 334 The FBI employed multiple methods in an effort to ascertain the identities of the sub-sources within the network, including meeting with Steele in October 2016 (prior to him being closed for cause) and conducting various investigative inquiries. For example, the FBI determined it was plausible that at least some of the sub-sources had access to intelligence pertinent to events described in Steele's election reporting. Additionally, the FBI's evaluation of Steele's sub-sources generated some corroboration for the election reporting (primarily routine facts about dates, locations, and occupational positions that was mostly public source information). Further, by January 2017 the FBI was able to identify and arrange a meeting with the Primary Sub-source. 335

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Horowitz figured out the 'private contractors' accessing the NSA databases.

Nellie Ohr and Glenn Simpson were feeding stuff that they had already accessed to Steele? Is that what you are pointing out?

Yup!

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Calling it now!

Presidential/staff comms using alias have been found in the past.

Hypothesis: Barr/Durham have the comms on this involving the Oval Office. The question is how to proceed? If it goes to the top, my prediction is this will be an October surprise.

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Well, there is one thread on this forum that has been insisting for a long time..."we have it all".

But, I do not think it wise to save it for October...June / July in time for the convention, yeah. That oughtta work just fine. That will give us enough time to get all the mess from exploding heads cleaned up.

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I have been on the fence about what Snowden did and how he did it. But as this is unfolding, I better understand why he was alarmed and outraged at what was happening.

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And perhaps not a traitor? Criminal for breaking laws, yes...

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Soo, Nellie goes to work at Fusion in September 2015. Has access to NSA meta-data as a contractor until Rogers cuts it off in April 2016. Simpson then takes that information and gives it to Steele to bolster his reporting as credible and the implication that it is actually an intelligence product. Which ironically, it partially was. Although not by a professional intelligence analyst. Nellie may have done some CIA contracted work in the past but she was open source and not clandestine is my understanding.

Lovely.

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Rush basically brought this up toward the end of the show today. He actually said that he thinks Brennan, Clapper, McCabe, and Comey aren't the real targets of Barr and Durham. He thinks they are digging for the powers above them who were pulling all the strings.
He did submit that he doesn't know if they will be able to get all the way to the top, and that Brennan et al. might be the fall-guys.

Edit: He ended that segment by saying that he thinks this is "...bigger than you could even imagine."

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Well for heaven's sake! Clapper as ODNI, was over all of them. The only persons above him are the VP and the President.

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I don't think he means within the govt. I got the feeling he meant bigger.

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FWIW:


Here is Rush's show from today.
Start at 1:34:30 and go to 1:42:00 for the info relevant to this topic.

Edit: I know this is just Rush's opinion.

Sara Carter reporting that Mifsud is believed to be dead. Wow.

Wow indeed.

https://saraacarter.com/italian-prosecutors-believe-that-joseph-mifsud-the-man-who-started-russiagate-is-dead/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=social-pug

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And perhaps not a traitor? Criminal for breaking laws, yes...

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I didn't say that. What I am asking myself is what would I do under the same circumstances he was in?

And I cannot honestly say what I would have done. I simply don't know. The federal government was happy with their new toy, so whistle blower status was iffy at best at being able to continue to fog a mirror even if in protective custody. Even attaining protective custody status was in doubt. He was easily expendable and he knew that.

Run the traps yourself and think what you would have done under those circumstances? Who would you trust to keep your ass alive? And your family given what we now know??

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Nellie Ohr and Glenn Simpson were feeding stuff that they had already accessed to Steele? Is that what you are pointing out?

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If it comes out that Fusion GPS was given access to intelligence in order to harm Trump, I would think that's about it, folks

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Soo, Nellie goes to work at Fusion in September 2015. Has access to NSA meta-data as a contractor until Rogers cuts it off in April 2016. Simpson then takes that information and gives it to Steele to bolster his reporting as credible and the implication that it is actually an intelligence product. Which ironically, it partially was. Although not by a professional intelligence analyst. Nellie may have done some CIA contracted work in the past but she was open source and not clandestine is my understanding.

Lovely.

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Makes you wonder about that HAM radio license

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Makes you wonder about that HAM radio license

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Have to confess I am completely ignorant about HAM radio. I always kind of assumed it was open to being received by any in range, like CBs in the 70s and 80s.

Is there some encryption now? Or just a code book? And how would she know the code book without input from Steele?

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Makes you wonder about that HAM radio license

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Have to confess I am completely ignorant about HAM radio. I always kind of assumed it was open to being received by any in range, like CBs in the 70s and 80s.

Is there some encryption now? Or just a code book? And how would she know the code book without input from Steele?

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in short, radio transmissions don't disclose sender's identity ... and it's impossible to identify receiver's identity.

No digital record, either - unlike email, cell phones, etc

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And perhaps not a traitor? Criminal for breaking laws, yes...

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I didn't say that. What I am asking myself is what would I do under the same circumstances he was in?

And I cannot honestly say what I would have done. I simply don't know. The federal government was happy with their new toy, so whistle blower status was iffy at best at being able to continue to fog a mirror even if in protective custody. Even attaining protective custody status was in doubt. He was easily expendable and he knew that.

Run the traps yourself and think what you would have done under those circumstances? Who would you trust to keep your ass alive? And your family given what we now know??

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I agree, WB status, witness protection, whatever; I honestly don't think any of those would work. When you are on the Fed's side, yeah, it probably helps and would be a comfort.

But, when you are a WB, or trying to get protection for tattling on the black hats in the CIA, NSA who don't follow the same set of civil laws, it's not so much outrage i would feel as it would be fear, and for my life.

It's likely that neither one of us could or would do what Snowden did. It doesn't matter why, either. But in light of all that has happened and been revealed since 2013, is he a traitor? That's all I asked.

In my opinion, he is not. Him making us and the world aware of the erosion of liberty and individual freedom in the one country that proudly claims we are the last great hope of freedom took more conviction than I would ever possess.

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I agree, WB status, witness protection, whatever; I honestly don't think any of those would work. When you are on the Fed's side, yeah, it probably helps and would be a comfort.

But, when you are a WB, or trying to get protection for tattling on the black hats in the CIA, NSA who don't follow the same set of civil laws, it's not so much outrage i would feel as it would be fear, and for my life.

It's likely that neither one of us could or would do what Snowden did. It doesn't matter why, either. But in light of all that has happened and been revealed since 2013, is he a traitor? That's all I asked.

In my opinion, he is not. Him making us and the world aware of the erosion of liberty and individual freedom in the one country that proudly claims we are the last great hope of freedom took more conviction than I would ever possess.

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Yeah. Very tough position to be in.

First of all, IMO, this has been a great day for the good guys. No, I'm not saying I can see the finish line, or even around the next corner, but for the first time, I can tie some of the motives of the Left, into a time line from late 2015.

Plus, Durham has very, very, direct questions for Brennen, Clapper, and Comey, and they will have an exceedingly difficult time making sure each of their questions match the previous answers.

I haven't been quite this positive about this in many moons.

I haven't been online all day. Went to the doc to diagnose an infection I've had for two weeks, got a steriod shot that feels great, met five Aggie buddies at Terillis in Dallas for lunch, and found out a bunch of Democrats felt their sphincter close up JUST a little more today than yesterday!!

Oh, and Hawg and '87, I too have had terrible ambivalence about Snowden, and I'm not eloquent enough to write it, but most of y'all know my extreme lack of faith in our federal government, and big government in
general, but it would be sweet if he was partially responsible for this fiasco.

Great stuff from all of y'all .. most of us have some ideas about all this but not the level of thought detail and understanding that you guys have .. thanks

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Nellie Ohr and Glenn Simpson were feeding stuff that they had already accessed to Steele? Is that what you are pointing out?

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I think Lee Smith has been hinting at this since the IG report was released.

Like my severe dislike for Dick Blumenthal (don't ask me why, he's pathetic), Samantha Powell also sits on my limb of hate.

The revelations of 63,000 queries to FISA, with approximately 55,000 being being "non-compliant" with FISA rules, will almost certainly circle around to Ms. Powell and her triple digit unmaskings,, which she said she wasn't responsible for doing. Assuming she's guilty, I'm pretty certain she wasn't visited by the any of the Ghost of Christmas Past, then hopefully, her coming realization of $50 K in legal expenses, at a minimum, may engender a little self-preservation.

I think my animus towards her has to do with her damned recent book, and just her being a true believing Dem---no self awareness.

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Less than 1 minute video with Ratcliffe.

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Two witnesses, Glenn Simpson and Jonathan Winer (a former State Department official), declined our requests for voluntary interviews, and we were unable to compel their testimony.19 The OIG does not have authority to subpoena for testimony former Department employees or third parties who may have relevant information about an FBI or Department program or operation.20 Certain former FBI employees who agreed to interviews, including Comey and Baker, chose not to request that their security clearances be reinstated for their OIG interviews. Therefore, we were unable to provide classified information or documents to them during their interviews to develop their testimony, or to assist their recollections of relevant events.

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Think these individuals have something to hide?


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Footnote 410: As noted in Chapter One, Simpson declined our request for an interview.

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Why repeat in this section on Ohr that Simpson declined to be interviewed? Well, here's something to think about:

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2. Ohr's August 22, 2016 Meeting with Simpson

On August 22, 2016, Simpson emailed Ohr requesting that Ohr call him. Later that same day, at Simpson's request, Ohr met with Simpson, and Simpson provided Ohr with the names of three individuals who Simpson thought were potential intermediaries between Russia and the Trump campaign.414 The three names are included in notes that Ohr told us he wrote on the same day as his meeting with Simpson. According to these notes, one of the three names provided by Simpson was one of the sub-sources in Steele's election reports, who we reference as Person 1 in previous chapters. Another of the names was Carter Page's "business partner" who was an "[a]lleged" Russian intelligence officer and "the 'brains' behind [Carter] Page's company-Global Energy Capital." Ohr stated that he was uncomfortable receiving this information from Simpson and did not recall Simpson asking him to do anything with it.

Footnote 414: On November 14, 2017, Simpson testified before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. During his testimony, Simpson told the Committee that he did not meet with Ohr prior to the November 2016 presidential election. He stated further that he met with Ohr one time after Thanksgiving 2016. See Inte,view of Glenn Simpson Before the Executive Session of the H. Perm. Select Comm. On Intelligence, 115th Cong. 78 (November 14, 2017} (hereinafter HPSCI Inte,view of Glenn Simpson)

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According to Ohr's telephone log, Ohr called Simpson on December 8 and arranged a time to meet, but Ohr told us he could not recall why he contacted Simpson. Ohr said that he met with Simpson on December 10, 2016, and that Simpson gave him a thumb drive. Ohr stated that Simpson did not tell him what was on the thumb drive and that Ohr did not ask him, but that Ohr believed it contained Steele's election reports. 432 In testimony to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Simpson stated that Ohr requested that he provide information regarding Steele's election reporting.433

Footnote 432: 432 As mentioned in Chapter Six, the thumb drive included 15 election reports and 1 additional document. The FBI had previously received 9 of the 15 election reports from Steele and 4 additional election reports from the Mother Jones reporter through then FBI General Counsel James Baker. Two election reports were new to the FBI, but the FBI also received those two reports at about the same time from then Senator McCain through then Director James Comey. The FBI only received one additional document from the thumb drive Ohr provided to the FBI.

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Simpson = Perjury x 2 before the HPSCI.

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Simpson = Perjury x 2 before the HPSCI.

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Simpson = low hanging fruit.

Another potential plea deal to add to countless others. All parts of the puzzle that will show intent and proof beyond a reasonable doubt for Durham's conspiracy case.

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They cheat the government out of money or property;

They interfere or obstruct legitimate Government activity; or

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The fraud of wrongful use of a government instrumentality is characterized by the lack of threatened or real pecuniary or proprietary loss, or obstruction of governmental activity. An example of such a scheme might be the use of false United States Internal Revenue Service receipts to defraud private persons of money. Furthermore, the United States has the right to ensure that funds be administered in accordance with law and honesty without corrupt influence or bribery.

Thus, a scheme to defraud the United States can range from directly cheating or swindling money or property from the government to simply using the government in a wrongful fashion with the only injury being to the pride and integrity of the government. The case law demonstrates, moreover, that any injury to the integrity of the government is sufficient.

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