Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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I know the Chief Justice appoints the FISC judges, but do these judges report to the Chief Justice, in this case Roberts?
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The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review was established in 1978 when Congress enacted The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which is codified, as amended, at 50 U.S.C 1801-1885c. The Court sits in Washington D.C., and is composed of three federal district court or appeals court judges who are designated by the Chief Justice of the United States. ...



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Not really referring g to the Horowitz report. Just in the this whole process. Evidence they were lied to has been out there for a while. Couldn't they have called the applicants out long ago?? Obviously I don't know how all that works. But I have wondered if they were not in on this set up as well.
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I'll answer by proxy to the experts. Joe Biden was an attendee at meetings at the Obama WH in January '17 discussing this entire fiasco. Now, they may not have discussed it in exteme detail, but I'd be willing to bet Joe Biden himself knows most of the players, and how it was supposed to play out.

Who knows about Hunter. Based on his comments in the last four months, and his actions, I don't think he cared enough to inquire. If he had, I suspect he'd have been on board, but only because like everyone else, he didn't think she'd lose. I bet he picked up on some of the opertion just by listening to his dad on the telephone.
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fasthorse05 said:

I'd be willing to bet Joe Biden himself knows most of the players, and how it was supposed to play out.



He probably knew most of the players and how it played out but I'm sure he's since forgotten. Seeing as how he can't remember where he's at, when he was vice president, etc etc.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fusion-gps-founders-claims-u-k-needs-its-own-mueller-report-on-russian-interference/

Their book sales (Crime in Progress:....) must not be doing very well. However, if you go to Amazon:

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Trump going after fisa Judges finally.

Can I go to sleep Looch?
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Can I go to sleep Looch?
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Edit: nm.
Tweet now acknowledges an error was made.
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In view of the IG Report, I think one of the big things that Durham is going to discover is a treasure trove of illegal misconduct involving withholding and destroying exculpatory evidence and " Doctored " Documents both during investigations and in the Court System , including the Special Council Investigation and even Mueller himself !
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oysterbayAG said:

In view of the IG Report, I think one of the big things that Durham is going to discover is a treasure trove of illegal misconduct involving withholding and destroying exculpatory evidence and " Doctored " Documents both during investigations and in the Court System , including the Special Council Investigation and even Mueller himself !
No doubt. When Horowitz designated that it was Crossfire Hurricane agents who interviewed Steele's sub-source, that put it smack dab in the middle of Team Mueller's investigation. And we can almost track it back to the day Mueller realized he had no case for Trump/Russia collusion, had to be just shortly before Rosenstein's August 2, 2017 memo expanding Mueller's jurisdiction.

Remember Mueller had already conducted the pre-dawn raid on Manafort by then, and also secretly tolled the Statute of Limitations against him. Wonder how Team Mueller argued for the tolling? Did Trump/Russia have anything to do with it?
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Mueller protecting his homeboys nest. No question he withheld and hid (and of course lied) during the investigation phase. Once he knew he had a gun full of blanks, he had to be as honest but firm against Trump as possible.....and burn down guys around Trump to the extent possible.
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"Tolling" means he extended it?
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The Last Cobra Commander said:

"Tolling" means he extended it?
Technically means it stops running for a period of time and the result is yes, that the limitations period is extended. Of course, they did it in secret, so secret in fact that Manafort's lawyers immediately jumped on the Statute of Limitations having been passed on several counts in the indictment. Then Team Mueller told them that they had applied for and received a court order tolling said Statutes. (BTW: For most federal crimes it is five years.)
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Weird



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No law/statute/reg that says a suspect or his/her counsel is supposed to be informed of said tolling? Seems super shady.
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This is something peculiar: Aggiehawg is going to love this.

Pg 56-57 of the IG Report:

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On July 31, 2016, the FBI opened a full counterintelligence investigation under the code name Crossfire Hurricane "to determine whether individual(s) associated with the Trump campaign are witting of and/or coordinating activities with the Government of Russia." As the predicating information did not indicate a specific individual, the opening EC did not include a specific subject or subjects. As described in Chapter Two, the factual predication required to open a Full Investigation under the Attorney General's Guidelines for Domestic Operations (AG Guidelines) and the FBI's Domestic Investigations and Operations Guide (DIOG) is an "articulable factual basis" that reasonably indicates that one of several circumstances exist:

An activity constituting a federal crime or a threat to the national security has or may have occurred, is or may be occurring, or will or may occur and the investigation may obtain information relating to the activity or the involvement or role of an individual, group, or organization in such activity;

An individual, group, organization, entity, information, property, or activity is or may be a target of attack, victimization, acquisition, infiltration, or recruitment in connection with criminal activity in violation of federal law or a threat to the national security and the investigation may obtain information that would help to protect against such activity or threat; or

The investigation may obtain foreign intelligence that is responsive to a requirement that the FBI collect positive foreign intelligence-i.e., information relating to the capabilities, intentions, or activities of foreign governments or elements thereof, foreign organizations or foreign persons, or international terrorists.
The opening EC describing the predication for Crossfire Hurricane relied exclusively on Papadopoulos's statements to the FFG in the FFG information.

Crossfire Hurricane was opened by CD and was assigned a case number used by the FBI for possible violations of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA), Title 18 U.S.C. 951, which makes it a crime to act as an agent of a foreign government without making periodic public disclosures of the relationship.170 As -described in Chapter Two, the AG Guidelines recognize that activities subject to investigation as "threats to the national security" may also involve violations or potential violations of federal criminal laws, or may serve important purposes outside the ambit of normal criminal investigation and prosecution by informing national security decisions. Given such potential overlap in subject matter, neither the AG Guidelines nor the DIOG require the FBI to differently label its activities as criminal investigations, national security investigations, or foreign intelligence collections. Rather, the AG Guidelines state that, where an authorized purpose exists, all of the FBI's legal authorities are available for deployment in all cases to which they apply .171

CD = Criminal Division
So the CD opened a 'counterintelligence investigation' of a possible FARA crime. This is exactly what Techno_Fog has been saying for months: They were conducting counterintelligence investigations by abusing the intent of the FARA Law.
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The Last Cobra Commander said:

No law/statute/reg that says a suspect or his/her counsel is supposed to be informed of said tolling? Seems super shady.
TBH, I have no idea how Team Mueller actually proceeded with the Manafort stuff because it was so early in their tenure. But I assume they had convened a grand jury and asked the judge overseeing the grand jury for the tolling. Seeing as how it pertains to a grand jury proceeding, no there would not be a requirement of notice...and here is the caveat...at the time.

What was more confusing to me was that the tolling was never mentioned in the indictment, as one would have expected it to be. Also, Team Mueller kept going back to the grand jury to obtain superceding indictments, twice IIRC. Indicating to me that the first indictment was rushed and intended to be the placeholder. By that I mean the Statute of Limitations had been fullfillled and subsequent indictments amending that one would have no SOL issues.

Yeah it seems unfair but that is the way these things can go. Manafort had been investigated by a grand jury in the EDVa before but that US Attorneys Office declined to pursue and indictment in 2014 when Yanokovych was ousted and Manafort's role there ceased to exist*. When Mueller was appointed that old file was dusted off and formed the basis of the new grand jury proceeding in June(?) of 2017.

*Which raises the question if the investigation of Manafort in 2013 was somehow politically driven as a lever to be used in foreign policy against Yanukovych? Why else would they drop it?
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It just keeps getting better and better
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So the CD opened a 'counterintelligence investigation' of a possible FARA crime. This is exactly what Techno_Fog has been saying for months: They were conducting counterintelligence investigations by abusing the intent of the FARA Law.
That is indeed a *******ization of the FARA law. Was Papadopoulus ever a lobbyist? Or engaged in lobbying activities with the U.S. government? Not that I'm aware of.

That's one helluva stretch for a proper predicate for opening an investigation. No wonder Barr and Durham view it quite differently than Horowitz does.

That interpretation of FARA likely has no support in the underlying legislative history for that statute and its amendments.

And the stink of it is they didn't even attempt to interview Papdopoulus nor Mifsud for over six months. And not one FBI agent or DOJ attorney asked, "WTH are we doing here?"
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aggiehawg said:

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So the CD opened a 'counterintelligence investigation' of a possible FARA crime. This is exactly what Techno_Fog has been saying for months: They were conducting counterintelligence investigations by abusing the intent of the FARA Law.
That is indeed a *******ization of the FARA law. Was Papadopoulus ever a lobbyist? Or engaged in lobbying activities with the U.S. government? Not that I'm aware of.

That's one helluva stretch for a proper predicate for opening an investigation. No wonder Barr and Durham view it quite differently than Horowitz does.

That interpretation of FARA likely has no support in the underlying legislative history for that statute and its amendments.

And the stink of it is they didn't even attempt to interview Papdopoulus nor Mifsud for over six months. And not one FBI agent or DOJ attorney asked, "WTH are we doing here?"
And not one FBI agent or DOJ attorney asked, "WTH are we doing here?"

I'm sure it did, and that would be the EXACT definition of a whistleblower. However, at that time, I do believe the WB woudn't be handled with such reverence. In fact, he might have had quite the dossier written about him, as well.
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SIAP a long time ago but Gateway Pundit just brought it up again and took it from wikileaks.

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fasthorse05 said:

aggiehawg said:

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So the CD opened a 'counterintelligence investigation' of a possible FARA crime. This is exactly what Techno_Fog has been saying for months: They were conducting counterintelligence investigations by abusing the intent of the FARA Law.
That is indeed a *******ization of the FARA law. Was Papadopoulus ever a lobbyist? Or engaged in lobbying activities with the U.S. government? Not that I'm aware of.

That's one helluva stretch for a proper predicate for opening an investigation. No wonder Barr and Durham view it quite differently than Horowitz does.

That interpretation of FARA likely has no support in the underlying legislative history for that statute and its amendments.

And the stink of it is they didn't even attempt to interview Papdopoulus nor Mifsud for over six months. And not one FBI agent or DOJ attorney asked, "WTH are we doing here?"
And not one FBI agent or DOJ attorney asked, "WTH are we doing here?"

I'm sure it did, and that would be the EXACT definition of a whistleblower. However, at that time, I do believe the WB woudn't be handled with such reverence. In fact, he might have had quite the dossier written about him, as well.
Whistleblowers and IGs did not fare well under obama. Such irony that Grassley is largely responsible for Horowitz and other IGs being able to do their jobs.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1205929392515567622.html

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3/ On the basis of the tip as relayed by Horowitz on p. 52, there was enough there to prompt FBI interest. But there is a big problem. The tip relayed by Horowitz does not match what Downer has said that Papadopoulos told him. Let's look at how Downer describes what he heard.

Interesting short thread...well documented.

I think there may be more to this than meets the eye. In the first report in the Steele Dossier dated June 20, 2016, Paragraphs 5 & 6, it relates that the Russians were in possession of 'kompromat' on Clinton, a dossier of eavesdropped & bugged conversations, but it was uncertain if this was going to be released. It resembles what Downer related that Papa told him. Methinks Downer was in cahoots with Steele, but I must admit that I cannot exclude the possibility that Steele just may have 'embellished' the remarks made by Napolitano on TV.

Link to the Steel Dossier:
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984/Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.pdf
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Also, in the Mueller Report they fudged the date of the meeting to hide the possibility of the Napolitano interview spoiling the push-pull operation. Mifsud pushes the story to Papadop, Downer pulls it out of Papadop.

The push-pull op doesn't work if a) Mifsud is not a Russian agent; or b) the information is already publicly available.
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Barr, 2 minute video.
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Horowitz and Ukraine and Rudy are minor bit pieces compared to this '4 year spying operation by 4 contractors.' Again, the FBI had been spying on Carter Page and Pap before they used the Steele dossier for a FISA warrant; these were people trying to cover their tracks with justification, realizing the upcoming election was actually going to be close.

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2019/12/13/unsung-hero-admiral-mike-rogers-obama's-nsa-chief-discovered-administration's-'702'-illegal-spying-operation-briefed-trump-surveillance-trump-tower/

Check the video @ the 11 minute mark there; the fisa court findings have already been handed over to Justice/Barr on this. Now enjoy Comey's smug interview this am if you can.
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I have been reading parts of the IG Report & have begun taking notes because already I have become saturated with 'information overload'. You cannot imagine how complicated & complex this SpyGate scheme is from an investigative standpoint. It makes a Russian novel or mystery story seem like child's play. I confess that I have taken pride with myself in having made a concerted effort to stay abreast of what has been transpiring publicly regarding SpyGate over the last 2 years since our thread started, but alas...there is so much more to this affair than I could have ever imagined. There's lots of new information in this report, some of it contradicting what we previously had been led to believe or had surmised, plus it's apparent that people interviewed by Horowitz's Team are hiding (not recalling) their actions/intent/bias & not volunteering details unless prodded with documented paperwork. It's already obvious to me that Horowitz's investigation is only a small window into the overall scheme, & Horowitz had hundreds of assistants working on his investigation. Remember, Horowitz's investigation was limited to the FBI/DOJ, with no subpoena power over any non-government persons & no authority to pursue other government agency personnel. It's frustrating because I, like everyone else, want resolution of this matter, but I am sensing that this is going to drag on for a long time because the tentacles of this affair range far & wide.
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I look to your analysis sir. You really do diagnose this stuff well and are an asset to this board. Much appreciated!
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Thank you. It's also disturbing to say the least, if unsurprising, that Comey refused to sign off on having his TS clearance re-instated to discuss these matters. Even Chris Wallace had to go sort of hard on him today (though ignoring this part).

My suspicion is he isn't the only former official highly reticent to discuss anything about their role in this whole sordid series of affairs, outside of the press, of course.
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aggiehawg said:




Also, in the Mueller Report they fudged the date of the meeting to hide the possibility of the Napolitano interview spoiling the push-pull operation. Mifsud pushes the story to Papadop, Downer pulls it out of Papadop.

The push-pull op doesn't work if a) Mifsud is not a Russian agent; or b) the information is already publicly available.
Mueller is a POS
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You know, in retrospect, it might have been nice if we would have hired Canada's finest to investigate. Just because you're friends, good friends, acquaintences, etc., shouldn't mean you can't run a first class investigation, athough I realize it would be difficult.

Rosenstein was/is besties with Mueller, and many, many, others in this fiasco are much, much, closer than we will likely ever know.

Even though I don't believe Mueller to be purposely a black hat, his acquaintences, friends, and actions, put him in a postion of being indicted, which I hope happens. Hawg and I have discussed this on this thread, and I think Mueller was so used to pushing the legal boundries, that he didn's know his hired help (Weissman) was himself breaking the law, and repeatedly.

So yes, Mueller is a POS, wanker, and a ****head! I'd love to see him on the indictment list next summer,, even though we can't see the Durham report.
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Rudy has been tweeting a lot this afternoon. Really hope he's on solid ground here. A sampling.

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