Now get ready for MSN to spin this as a win for the Dems
Yes but that was Title 7 not Title I. They reapproved the query function.BMX Bandit said:
would hope so, but don't expect it.
didnt they just approve it again with no real complaint?
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The renewal applications also continued to fail to include information regarding Carter Page's relationship with another U.S. government agency and information Page had shared with the other agency about his contacts with Russian intelligence officers, even after the Crossfire Hurricane team re-engaged with the other U.S. government agency in June 2017 (item nine above). As described in Chapter Eight, following interviews that Page gave to news outlets in April and May 2017 stating that he had assisted the U.S. intelligence community in the past, one of the SSAs supervising Crossfire Hurricane sought additional information about the issue. SSA 2, who was to be the affiant for Renewal Application No. 3 and had been the affiant for the first two renewals, told us that he wanted a definitive answer to whether Page had ever been a source for another U.S. government agency before he signed the final renewal application, because he was concerned that Page could claim that he had been acting on behalf of the U.S. government when engaging with certain Russians. This led to interactions between the OGC Attorney assigned to Crossfire Hurricane and a liaison from the other U.S. government agency. In an email from the liaison to the OGC Attorney, the liaison provided written guidance, including that it was the liaison's recollection that Page had a relationship with the other agency, and directed the OGC Attorney to review the information that the other agency had provided to the FBI in August 2016. As noted above, that August 2016 information stated that Page did, in fact, have a prior relationship with that other agency. However, the OGC Attorney altered the liaison's email by inserting the words "not a source" into it, thus making it appear that the liaison had said that Page was "not a source"; the OGC Attorney then sent the altered email to SSA 2. Relying upon this altered email, SSA 2 signed the third renewal application (that again failed to disclose Page's past relationship with the other agency). Consistent with the Inspector General Act of 1978, following the OIG's discovery that the OGC Attorney had altered and sent the email to SSA 2, who thereafter relied on it to swear out the final FISA application, the OIG promptly informed the Attorney General and the FBI Director and provided them with the relevant information about the OGC Attorney's actions.
Neither does Barr. And it is DOJ's views that result in grand jury indictments.Wendy 1990 said:
Not so fast - Durham makes statement that he does not agree with IG's findings.
(Edit: Page 416 via the pdf pages; Page 377 listed on the report.)Quote:
As noted throughout this report, Case Agent 1 was primarily responsible for some of the most significant errors and omissions in the FISA applications, including (1) the mischaracterization of Steele's prior reporting resulting from his failure to seek review and approval of the statement from the handling agent, as the Woods Procedures required, (2) the failure to advise OI of Papadopoulos's statements to FBI CHSs that were inconsistent with the Steele reporting relied upon in the FISA applications that there was a "well-developed conspiracy of co-operation" between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and Russia, (3) the failure to advise OI of Page's statements to an FBI CHS regarding him having no communications with Manafort and denying the alleged meetings with Sechin and Divyekin, ( 4) providing inaccurate and incomplete information to OI about information provided by another U.S. government agency regarding its past relationship with Page that was highly relevant to the applications, (5) the failure to advise OI of the information from Bruce Ohr about Steele and his election reporting, and (6) the failure to advise OI of the inconsistences between Steele and his Primary Sub-source. The explanations that Case Agent 1 provided for these errors and omissions are summarized in Chapter Five and Chapter Eight of this report. While we found no documentary or testimonial evidence that this pattern of errors by Case Agent 1 was intentional, we also did not find his explanations for so many significant and repeated failures to be satisfactory. We therefore concluded that these explanations did not excuse his failure to meet his responsibility to ensure that the initial FISA application, the first renewal application, and the third renewal application were "scrupulously accurate."
Wendy 1990 said:
Not so fast - Durham makes statement that he does not agree with IG's findings.
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...Mr. Durham says he's reached a different conclusion.
"Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened," Mr. Durham said in a statement.
Mr. Durham noted the inspector general's authority was limited to information within the Justice Department, while his investigation found information from "other persons and entities both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S."
What would he have to find in order to determine there was bias?pagerman @ work said:
I guess we shouldn't be surprised by the reluctance/refusal of the IG to draw conclusions as to the motivations behind the lying and obfuscations.
It is frustrating, though.
The left will be able to hide behind the report because it does not make those claims.
You can and will see what you want to see.
Don't ask me, I believe there obviously was bias.captkirk said:What would have to find in order to determine there was bias?pagerman @ work said:
I guess we shouldn't be surprised by the reluctance/refusal of the IG to draw conclusions as to the motivations behind the lying and obfuscations.
It is frustrating, though.
The left will be able to hide behind the report because it does not make those claims.
You can and will see what you want to see.
A bad actor that wrote "Hey, F--k you, Trump" in the margin of the phonied up evidence they submitted to the FISA court?
They altered evidence to get a renewal. In addition, they knew about the relationship at the time of the initial application, yet failed to disclose it.drcrinum said:
Page 411:Quote:
In an email from the liaison to the OGC Attorney, the liaison provided written guidance, including that it was the liaison's recollection that Page had a relationship with the other agency, and directed the OGC Attorney to review the information that the other agency had provided to the FBI in August 2016. As noted above, that August 2016 information stated that Page did, in fact, have a prior relationship with that other agency.
Uh-oh. Altering evidence.
Here's the problem I am having. The timelines do not line up.kag00 said:
This is where the dishonesty of the press will be obvious. The predicate could be supported and I think many in the country would buy that. The press stops there. The story is far from over though, and the report was clear that everything after was BS. This whole thing was a sham beyond step 1. The press won't write that accurate and complete headline.
Unfortunately, the Intelligence Community Inspector General is a corrupt Dem who started this Ukraine mess. Michael Atkinson. He was at DOJ Nat Sec division in 2016. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house. No way he would investigate this.3 Toed Pete said:
A big key to all of this, which the MSM will never bring up, is who and why was accessing the NSA database and unmasking US citizens? We know Fusion GPS likely had access and we know obama's UN ambassador unmasked 280+ citizens. Obviously this was not under Horowitz's purview but certainly Durham has investigated this. I really want to see this answered. These people wiped their ass with the US Constitution.
aggiehawg said:Unfortunately, the Intelligence Community Inspector General is a corrupt Dem who started this Ukraine mess. Michael Atkinson. He was at DOJ Nat Sec division in 2016. Talk about the fox guarding the hen house. No way he would investigate this.3 Toed Pete said:
A big key to all of this, which the MSM will never bring up, is who and why was accessing the NSA database and unmasking US citizens? We know Fusion GPS likely had access and we know obama's UN ambassador unmasked 280+ citizens. Obviously this was not under Horowitz's purview but certainly Durham has investigated this. I really want to see this answered. These people wiped their ass with the US Constitution.
remember, Horowitz is only allowed to look into and talk with people in the FBI and DOJ, he isn't allowed to talk w people in the intelligence divisions.. CIA, NSA, etc. thus he didn't speak with Clapper, Brennan, Lynch, (I don't think Comey or McCabe either).. .thus Durham has a hell of a lot more power in investigating the "Big Picture"... Horowitz exposed a few things that Im sure Durham was well aware of already (Steele document, Nelly Ohr, etc) Think about what the NSA may have provided Durham in regards to intelligence? who knows what the NSA had on all these guys? Horowitz would not be allowed to look at that information, also Durham has most definitely spoken with people from all divisions in the FBI, DOJ, CIA, NSA, UK, Italy, Ukrane.. so long way to go on all this.. let the media gloat about this report a few days..drcrinum said:Wendy 1990 said:
Not so fast - Durham makes statement that he does not agree with IG's findings.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/9/john-durham-says-he-disagrees-doj-ig-conclusion-ru/Quote:
...Mr. Durham says he's reached a different conclusion.
"Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report's conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened," Mr. Durham said in a statement.
Mr. Durham noted the inspector general's authority was limited to information within the Justice Department, while his investigation found information from "other persons and entities both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S."
drcrinum said:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1204103657559642112.html?refreshed=1575947159
Here's an interesting thread about CHS from the OIG Report. Clearly FBI CHS Source 2 is Halper (discussed starting Page 313); however, it is highly likely the Steele's Primary Sub-Source is also Halper, but they are disguising it because Steele never told Horowitz's Team the identity of his Primary Sub-Source. If this is true, then clearly there was a major manipulation going on: Halper, the FBI CHS vs. Halper, Steele's major source.