I assume that's how Rick Perry has been loosely tied to the Ukrainian mess?

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I spent several hours scanning the above document for anything interesting that I hadn't seen on Twitter. Several items caught my attention.

1) Ambassador Taylor was a West Point graduate (top 1% of his class) & a Vietnam veteran.

2) pp. 92-102 -- Taylor was completely unfamiliar with many 'details/info' related to possible or alleged interference by Ukrainian officials in the 2016 Election. In particular, he was grilled on the infamous Politico article from Jan 2017: https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446 . He did not know who Alexandra Chalupa was or her relationship to Manafort's 'black ledger', did not know that the Ukrainian Ambassador Chaly had written an op-ed in opposition to candidate Trump, that the current head of police Avakov had trashed Trump on Twitter, calling him a clown and terror threat, & had disparaged Trump on Facebook, or that Parliamentarian Artemenko had publicly stated that the Ukrainian Parliament supported HRC. Taylor did know that Leschenko was associated with the 'black ledger'. Nobody had ever talked to Taylor or briefed him about this subject.

3) p. 107 -- Taylor never spoke to Giuliani or Trump.

4) p. 116 -- Taylor didn't know that Leschenko was a source for the Steele dossier (he knew Leschenko).

5) p. 236 -- This is where the name Eric Ciaramella was introduced on the record; Taylor had no contact with him.

6) p. 254 -- Taylor didn't know Burisma helped to fund the Atlantic Council, an organization for which Taylor had great respect.

7) p. 297-314 -- Rep Zeldin really takes Taylor to task, pointing out that most of Taylor's testimony was second or third hand (or worse) info via telecoms with intermediaries regarding investigating Biden, Burisma & 2016 Election interference, & it became apparent that Taylor had been unduly influenced by an article in the NYTs in July about Giuliani & his relationship to Ukraine/Burisma (p. 299-300).

It was rather obvious that Taylor felt slighted because he was often left out-of-the-loop & not informed about decisions until afterwards. He made it a point multiple times that he was the official Ukraine channel but there was a separate back-channel (Giuliani) to which he was never a party. Even then, obviously Sondland & Volker were the primary negotiators, whereas Taylor was more of a figurehead IMO. Obviously he wasn't trusted by Giuliani.

Link to testimony by George Kent, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Europe & Eastern Europe:

https://www.scribd.com/document/433921637/George-Kent-testimony

355 pages. Think I'll likely pass this time.

Brief article on his testimony from the MSM here:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-kent-transcript-read-full-text-testimony-trump-impeachment-inquiry-live-updates-2019-11-07/

Then an article by Solomon on his testimony +:

https://johnsolomonreports.com/testimony-bombshell-obama-administration-tried-to-partner-with-hunter-bidens-ukrainian-gas-firm-but-was-blocked-over-corruption-concerns/

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A State Department official who served in the U.S. embassy in Kiev told Congress that the Obama administration tried in 2016 to partner with the Ukrainian gas firm that employed Hunter Biden but the project was blocked over corruption concerns.

George Kent, the former charge d'affair at the Kiev embassy, said in testimony released Thursday that the State Department's main foreign aid agency, known as USAID, planned to co-sponsor a clean energy project with Burisma Holdings, the Ukrainian gas firm that employed Hunter Biden as a board member.

At the time of the proposed project, Burisma was under investigation in Ukraine for alleged corruption. Those cases were settled in late 2016 and early 2017. Burisma contested allegations of corruption but paid a penalty for tax issues.

Kent testified he personally intervened in mid-2016 to stop USAID's joint project with Burisma because American officials believed the corruption allegations against the gas firm raised concern.....

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You can read the rest of Solomon's article for the details tying the above to Hunter Biden & his associate Devon Archer.

Short video.
Could something like this result in an appeal for Manafort's case?

2 minute video.

It's past time to lock some of these traitors up!

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Short video.
Could something like this result in an appeal for Manafort's case?

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Team Mueller did not use the forged Black Ledger at Manafort's trial. I noted that at the time and just assumed they knew it was fake before trial.

Didn't consider that they knew it was fake when they requested the search warrants a year before, though.

I had other issues with the search of his storage unit and believed that search to have been faulty, as they gained access not from the owner, nor the lessor (Manafort) before they had the warrant in hand. They entered the unit and scanned the titles on the storage boxes with their phones but didn't open them. Then called their supervisor who told them to get out and wait for the warrant. (I doubt that conversation wasn't much more heated than my cursory description more like, "WTF are you doing? Get the hell outta there before you blow it!")

As to the core charges against Manafort, even if the searches were thrown out, they still had enough information from the previous EDVa investigation that was not so tainted. Indeed if you followed the trial, you would have noted that he was mostly tried for acts committed long before he ever became attached to the Trump campaign. Those tainted search warrants might have been one of the reasons for that, I'd wager.

Most of the evidence presented was the result of the earlier investigation that the EDVa had dropped in 2014.

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From Tracy Beanz tweet:
I am hypothesizing here, but it's likely they are doing this to get the public ready to handle the indictments incoming. There's no reason for that otherwise. The IG is going to detail the laws that were broken and then we are going to likely see accountability

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It'll be interesting to learn if laws were broken ... or department rules weren't followed. Big difference.

Interesting interview. Regarding the infamous dinner at Cambridge in 2014 where Lokhova sat across from Flynn -- this was the encounter that Halper used to claim that Lokhova was a Russian honeypot spy who seduced Flynn. Turns out that Lokhova, a post graduate student/lecturer at Cambridge, had been specifically invited to the dinner, and that she was seated next to Sir Richard Dearlove (former head of MI6) at the table with Flynn. Dearlove asked her to tell Flynn about her research on Stalin, her scholarly area of specialty. What a setup! Dearlove & Halper were best buds regarding the Cambridge Intelligence Seminars. Other than at the dinner, Lokhova never saw Flynn again.

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I am hypothesizing here, but it's likely they are doing this to get the public ready to handle the indictments incoming. There's no reason for that otherwise. The IG is going to detail the laws that were broken and then we are going to likely see accountability

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It'll be interesting to learn if laws were broken ... or department rules weren't followed. Big difference.

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The tweet says:

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Solomon says that the DOJ asked Horowitz to go back and detail and explain all of the statutes that were broken. (emphasis added)

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That means laws, not department rules.
https://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1192258650296979456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1192566297726537728&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Ftexags.com%2Fforums%2F16%2Ftopics%2F2912732%2F961

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drcrinum said:

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Short video.
Could something like this result in an appeal for Manafort's case?

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Team Mueller did not use the forged Black Ledger at Manafort's trial. I noted that at the time and just assumed they knew it was fake before trial.

Didn't consider that they knew it was fake when they requested the search warrants a year before, though.

I had other issues with the search of his storage unit and believed that search to have been faulty, as they gained access not from the owner, nor the lessor (Manafort) before they had the warrant in hand. They entered the unit and scanned the titles on the storage boxes with their phones but didn't open them. Then called their supervisor who told them to get out and wait for the warrant. (I doubt that conversation wasn't much more heated than my cursory description more like, "WTF are you doing? Get the hell outta there before you blow it!")

As to the core charges against Manafort, even if the searches were thrown out, they still had enough information from the previous EDVa investigation that was not so tainted. Indeed if you followed the trial, you would have noted that he was mostly tried for acts committed long before he ever became attached to the Trump campaign. Those tainted search warrants might have been one of the reasons for that, I'd wager.

Most of the evidence presented was the result of the earlier investigation that the EDVa had dropped in 2014.

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How many of the charges they actually tried where ones that had the SoL tolled? Did the fake evidence help get the tolling of the SoL and did they know it was fake at that time? Seems worth looking into to me.

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Nothing if not completely predictable.

Just for once I wish the *******s on the left would come up with something new.

Sound like a good news day for the crossfire hurricane investigation.

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How many of the charges they actually tried where ones that had the SoL tolled? Did the fake evidence help get the tolling of the SoL and did they know it was fake at that time? Seems worth looking into to me.

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Damn near all of them by the time he was indicted, IIRC. I do recall his lawyers originally screaming about the SOL because Team Mueller "forgot" to tell them that the SOL had secretly been tolled after they had wasted time and money to file the motion and memorandum in support for the dismissal of many of the charges.

I don't recall if I have ever seen the motion and order tolling the SOL however. So I don't know if the black ledger was raised therein.

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Nothing if not completely predictable.

Just for once I wish the *******s on the left would come up with something new.

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And I wish the ones on the right would fight a lot harder against it all.

I kinda wish Trump would say I'll give you the transcripts of all of my calls, if you give me the texts, phone records, and e-mails. of everyone on your committee since 2015..

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Damn near all of them by the time he was indicted, IIRC. I do recall his lawyers originally screaming about the SOL because Team Mueller "forgot" to tell them that the SOL had secretly been tolled after they had wasted time and money to file the motion and memorandum in support for the dismissal of many of the charges.

I don't recall if I have ever seen the motion and order tolling the SOL however. So I don't know if the black ledger was raised therein.

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I imagine we'll know either way based on his lawyer's actions from here.

https://dailycaller.com/2019/11/08/fiona-hill-steele-dossier-disinformation/

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A former White House official who Democrats consider a key witness in their impeachment inquiry told lawmakers in October that she believed Russians likely planted disinformation about President Donald Trump with dossier author Christopher Steele.

Fiona Hill, who served as the White House's top adviser on Russia affairs until July, told lawmakers she was "shocked" to find out that Steele, a former MI6 officer, was the author of the dossier. That's in large part because when she had met with Steele in the years leading up to his dossier work, he was "constantly try to drum up business."

Hill, who was deposed in the impeachment inquiry on Oct. 14, said Steele's eagerness to obtain work made him vulnerable to Russian disinformation.

"Because if you also think about it, the Russians would have an ax to grind against him given the job that he had previously. And if he started going back through his old contacts and asking about, that would be a perfect opportunity for people to feed some kind of misinformation," said Hill, who was a scholar at the Brookings Institution until she joined the Trump administration.

Hill said she was not aware of the dossier until a colleague showed it to her day before BuzzFeed published it on Jan. 10, 2017.

When she read the report, Hill said she had "misgivings and concern that [Steele] could have been played."

"I almost fell over when I discovered that he was doing this report," Hill said of Steele, who she said she worked with from 2006 to 2009, when she served as a national intelligence officer.

Hill said she met most recently with Steele in 2016 and saw from those meetings that he "was clearly very interested in building up a client base."

"And this is why I was concerned about the Steele report because that is a vulnerability," said Hill.

"Christopher Steele going out and looking for information. He's obviously out there soliciting information," she added. "What a great opportunity to, basically, you know, present him with information that he's looking for that can be couched some truth and some disinformation.".....

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Very astute observation.

Link to Fiona Hill's testimony (545 pages):
https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-IG00-D010.pdf

The discussion about Steele occurs in pp. 178-183.

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We have conducted an in-depth analysis of Obama-era White House visitor logs, and we have learned a good deal about the people who controversial CIA employee Eric Ciaramella met with while assigned to the White House.

Ciaramella reportedly was detailed to the Obama White House in 2015 and returned to the CIA during the Trump administration in 2017.

Real Clear Investigations named Ciaramella as possibly being the whistleblower whose complaint sparked impeachment proceedings against President Trump. As reported by the Examiner, Fox News' legal analyst Gregg Jarrett indicated that a key takeaway was the "reported direct relationship" Ciaramella had with former President Barack Obama's CIA Director John Brennan and national security adviser Susan Rice, as well as the "Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election."

The visitor logs also reveal Alexandra Chalupa, a contractor hired by the DNC during the 2016 election, who coordinated with Ukrainians to investigate President Trump and his former campaign manager Paul Manafort, visited the White House 27 times.

The White House visitor logs revealed the following individuals met with Eric Ciaramella while he was detailed to the Obama White House:

Daria Kaleniuk: Co-founder and executive director of the Soros-funded Anticorruption Action Center (AntAC) in Ukraine. She visited on December 9, 2015

The Hill reported that in April 2016, during the U.S. presidential race, the U.S. Embassy under Obama in Kiev, "took the rare step of trying to press the Ukrainian government to back off its investigation of both the U.S. aid and (AntAC)."

Gina Lentine: Now a senior program officer at Freedom House, she was formerly the Eurasia program coordinator at Soros funded Open Society Foundations. She visited on March 16, 2016.

Rachel Goldbrenner: Now an NYU law professor, she was at that time an advisor to then-Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power. She visited on both January 15, 2016 and August 8, 2016.

Orly Keiner: A foreign affairs officer at the State Department who is a Russia specialist. She is also the wife of State Department Legal Advisor James P. Bair. She visited on both March 4, 2016 and June 20, 2015.

Nazar Kholodnitzky: The lead anti-corruption prosecutor in Ukraine. He visited on January 19, 2016.

On March 7, 2019, The Associated Press reported that the then-U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch called for him to be fired.

Michael Kimmage: Professor of History at Catholic University of America, at the time was with the State Department's policy planning staff where he specialized in Russia and Ukraine issues. He is a fellow at the German Marshall Fund. He was also one of the signatories to the Transatlantic Democracy Working Group Statement of Principles. He visited on October 26, 2015.

James Melville: Then-recently confirmed as Obama's Ambassador to Estonia, visited on September 9, 2015.

On June 29, 2018, Foreign Policy reported that Melville resigned in protest of Trump.

Victoria Nuland: who at the time was assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs met with Ciaramella on June 17, 2016.

(Judicial Watch has previously uncovered documents revealing Nuland had an extensive involvement with the Clinton-funded dossier. Judicial Watch also released documents revealing that Nuland was involved in the Obama State Department's "urgent" gathering of classified Russia investigation information and disseminating it to members of Congress within hours of Trump taking office.)

Artem Sytnyk: the Ukrainian Anti-Corruption Bureau director visited on January 19, 2016.

On October 7, 2019, the Daily Wire reported leaked tapes show Sytnyk confirming that the Ukrainians helped the Clinton campaign.

The White House visitor logs revealed the following individuals met with Alexandra Chalupa, then a DNC contractor:

Charles Kupchan: From 2014 to 2017, Kupchan served as special assistant to the president and senior director for European affairs on the staff of the National Security Council (NSC) in the Barack Obama administration. That meeting was on November 9, 2015.

Alexandra Sopko: who at the time was a special assistant and policy advisor to the director of the Office of Intergovernmental Affairs, which was run by Valerie Jarrett. Also listed for that meeting is Alexa Kissinger, a special assistant to Jarrett. That meeting was on June 2, 2015.

Asher Mayerson: who at the time was a policy advisor to the Office of Public Engagement under Jarrett had five visits with Chalupa including December 18, 2015, January 11, 2016, February 22, 2016, May 13, 2016, and June 14, 2016. Mayerson was previously an intern at the Center for American Progress. After leaving the Obama administration, he went to work for the City of Chicago Treasurer's office.

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https://www.judicialwatch.org/tom-fittons-weekly-update/coup-update-schiff-show-trial-set-wheres-the-whistleblower-more/

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Real Clear Investigations named Ciaramella as possibly being the whistleblower whose complaint sparked impeachment proceedings against President Trump. As reported by the Examiner, Fox News' legal analyst Gregg Jarrett indicated that a key takeaway was the "reported direct relationship" Ciaramella had with former President Barack Obama's CIA Director John Brennan and national security adviser Susan Rice, as well as the "Democratic National Committee operative who dug up dirt on the Trump campaign during the 2016 election."

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When the dust finally settles on this thing's history, it will almost certainly emerge that Valerie Jarrett and John Brennan were the dark core of the bad part of the Obama administration. Its entirely possible the President himself will be found to have been under their thumb to a degree.

I've always figured that Jarrett was the real President; Obama was just the figure head.

https://amgreatness.com/2019/10/29/why-is-this-mueller-alumnus-in-change-of-the-justice-departments-fara-unit/

Detailed read about Van Grack, the Mueller prosecuting attorney in the Flynn case. Van Grack also has been assigned to head the DOJ section which investigates FARA abuse, a major issue that has permeated the prosecution of Flynn as well as SpyGate. How can this be?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-hunter-biden-ukraine-whisteleblower-impeachment-witness

Schiff will never permit this to happen. If he denies the Republicans requests, the Republicans should walk out of the hearings en masse.

You can find Nune's letter embedded in the reference in this tweet below. However, the tweet illuminates the request for Nellie Ohr to testify & the reasons why:

Okay! Game on! Let's do this!

I know what you're referring to, but on Saturday during college football season, I'm not so sure!

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I know what you're referring to, but on Saturday during college football season, I'm not so sure!

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Lots of good football on today, of course.

But keeping with the analogy, will Schiff punt on all of those witnesses other than Volker? And look like the crazy partisan he is?

In view of all the revelations of the COUP D' ETAT attempts for the last 2 1/2 years, it appears to me, so far, that Trump and his Republican allies are quite a bit smarter than the Democrats and the Media.