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I've been conducting my own investigation into all of this.

My explosive report was due out yesterday, but I'm having problems with spell check and all the Ukrainian/Russian/foreign names.

But trust me, when it drops it will be an absolute bombshell.

I will reveal more this Sunday night on the Dr. Demento show, followed by several appearances next week on Coast to Coast radio. Yuge.

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.....While Steele's not the focus, the IG report is expected to lay out missteps, failures and a lack of adherence to the very reforms Murphy laid out for the bureau's modern day informant network.

A source familiar with the preliminary findings says the IG appears to have identified a pattern of FBI agents ignoring red flags raised about sources during the course of investigations or from other intelligence agencies.

In addition, there is some concern that human source validation reports were incomplete or outdated, the source said......

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drcrinum said:

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https://johnsolomonreports.com/after-russia-collusion-controversy-fbi-faces-red-flag-concerns-over-vetting-informants/

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.....While Steele's not the focus, the IG report is expected to lay out missteps, failures and a lack of adherence to the very reforms Murphy laid out for the bureau's modern day informant network.

A source familiar with the preliminary findings says the IG appears to have identified a pattern of FBI agents ignoring red flags raised about sources during the course of investigations or from other intelligence agencies.

In addition, there is some concern that human source validation reports were incomplete or outdated, the source said......

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This article is a prelude to the 'explosive' report coming out next week per Solomon. So the FBI wasn't following procedures established by Congress regarding validating human source data. Perhaps this is being presented separately so it can be simply referenced when the FISA abuse IG report comes out late this month. But it doesn't sound 'explosive' to me unless it's put in the context of what they did with the Steele dossier. We'll see...

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drcrinum said:

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A source familiar with the preliminary findings says the IG appears to have identified a pattern of FBI agents ignoring red flags raised about sources during the course of investigations or from other intelligence agencies.

In addition, there is some concern that human source validation reports were incomplete or outdated, the source said......

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-michael-flynn-smoking-gun-fbi-headquarters-altered-interview-summary

Powell charges that Page directed Strzok to alter his Flynn interview 302. As in most instances in life, words matter. The change in wording was instrumental in moving Flynn from a target to a subject. One recalls how critical wording was in the FBI's decision not to argue that DOJ charge Hillary Clinton with a crime in the private email server investigation. Comey elected not to use "gross negligence" to characterize Clinton's actions which would have been the required language in the mishandling of classified information statute and instead settled upon the more benign and non-indictable "extreme carelessness."

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This brings me back to mirror telexing. I suspect Ciaramella -- let us continue the hypothesis -- was involved in a role reversal with Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman. Vindman is the Ukraine director on the National Security Council, the same position Ciaramella had in 2017, and he recently testified to the impeachment committee. Vindman was on the July 25 call. Ciaramella was not. Ciaramella, if he's the whistleblower, probably got his ideas about the call from Vindman; they're bound to have known each other. It seems likely that they arranged for Ciaramella to step forward as the whistleblower and for Vindman to follow up by testifying to the truth of a story of which he himself was the author.

If Vindman is the source of the whistleblower account, that would certainly undermine the force of Vindman's supposed corroboration of the whistleblower account.

If Vindman was not the starting point for the whistleblower's view of the phone call, who was? The public deserves to know. Let's not keep this secret.

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The next question: Did they conspire to construct a whistleblower story to undermine Trump? A personal relationship between Vindman & Ciaramella needs to be investigated including all emails, telecoms, texts, meetings & contacts between them.

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Also Ciaramella's contacts with Schiff and staff, that directed Ciaramella to "a lawyer" Zaid(?) and then Schiff and the Atlantic Council send Thomas Eager to Ukraine to feed Bill Taylor the narrative and get him to send texts to make a fake electronic paper trail on a non-existent quid pro quo to the most unseasoned of diplomats, Sondland.

Sounds like the perfect trap and it was working until the NY Times revealed the connection between Ciaramella and Schiff before the "whistleblower" complaint was filed with the IC IG.

I still maintain that the Times would have sat on that story without a tacit go-ahead from Pelosi. (Unless they knew someone else also had the story and wanted to have the scoop.)

Rudy's actions caused too much distraction and confusion, in my view and he clearly veered out of his lane, being led down a garden path by Lutshenko and Poroshenko who desperately wanted Trump's endorsement in the upcoming Ukrainian elections. Yovanovitch gets caught in the crossfire and winds up taking the fall. (Not that she was that dialed in and terrific as an ambassador in the first place.)

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4stringAg said:

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Agree with hawg. This thread offers a good single source for all of this stuff Mueller + Ukraine without having to wade through socks of Stephenville and etcetera.

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The next question: Did they conspire to construct a whistleblower story to undermine Trump? A personal relationship between Vindman & Ciaramella needs to be investigated including all emails, telecoms, texts, meetings & contacts between them.

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Also Ciaramella's contacts with Schiff and staff, that directed Ciaramella to "a lawyer" Zaid(?) and then Schiff and the Atlantic Council send Thomas Eager to Ukraine to feed Bill Taylor the narrative and get him to send texts to make a fake electronic paper trail on a non-existent quid pro quo to the most unseasoned of diplomats, Sondland.

Sounds like the perfect trap and it was working until the NY Times revealed the connection between Ciaramella and Schiff before the "whistleblower" complaint was filed with the IC IG.

I still maintain that the Times would have sat on that story without a tacit go-ahead from Pelosi. (Unless they knew someone else also had the story and wanted to have the scoop.)

Rudy's actions caused too much distraction and confusion, in my view and he clearly veered out of his lane, being led down a garden path by Lutshenko and Poroshenko who desperately wanted Trump's endorsement in the upcoming Ukrainian elections. Yovanovitch gets caught in the crossfire and winds up taking the fall. (Not that she was that dialed in and terrific as an ambassador in the first place.)

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pagerman @ work said:

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aggiehawg said:

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The next question: Did they conspire to construct a whistleblower story to undermine Trump? A personal relationship between Vindman & Ciaramella needs to be investigated including all emails, telecoms, texts, meetings & contacts between them.

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Also Ciaramella's contacts with Schiff and staff, that directed Ciaramella to "a lawyer" Zaid(?) and then Schiff and the Atlantic Council send Thomas Eager to Ukraine to feed Bill Taylor the narrative and get him to send texts to make a fake electronic paper trail on a non-existent quid pro quo to the most unseasoned of diplomats, Sondland.

Sounds like the perfect trap and it was working until the NY Times revealed the connection between Ciaramella and Schiff before the "whistleblower" complaint was filed with the IC IG.

I still maintain that the Times would have sat on that story without a tacit go-ahead from Pelosi. (Unless they knew someone else also had the story and wanted to have the scoop.)

Rudy's actions caused too much distraction and confusion, in my view and he clearly veered out of his lane, being led down a garden path by Lutshenko and Poroshenko who desperately wanted Trump's endorsement in the upcoming Ukrainian elections. Yovanovitch gets caught in the crossfire and winds up taking the fall. (Not that she was that dialed in and terrific as an ambassador in the first place.)

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Isn't this essentially the same methodology the FBI was using during their investigation into the Trump campaign for FISA warrants?

Leak a story to the press and then use that story as 3rd party corroboration to the court, so that essentially the thing you are trying to corroborate becomes evidence for itself?

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Isn't this essentially the same methodology the FBI was using during their investigation into the Trump campaign for FISA warrants?

Leak a story to the press and then use that story as 3rd party corroboration to the court, so that essentially the thing you are trying to corroborate becomes evidence for itself?

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aggiehawg said:

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The next question: Did they conspire to construct a whistleblower story to undermine Trump? A personal relationship between Vindman & Ciaramella needs to be investigated including all emails, telecoms, texts, meetings & contacts between them.

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Also Ciaramella's contacts with Schiff and staff, that directed Ciaramella to "a lawyer" Zaid(?) and then Schiff and the Atlantic Council send Thomas Eager to Ukraine to feed Bill Taylor the narrative and get him to send texts to make a fake electronic paper trail on a non-existent quid pro quo to the most unseasoned of diplomats, Sondland.

Sounds like the perfect trap and it was working until the NY Times revealed the connection between Ciaramella and Schiff before the "whistleblower" complaint was filed with the IC IG.

I still maintain that the Times would have sat on that story without a tacit go-ahead from Pelosi. (Unless they knew someone else also had the story and wanted to have the scoop.)

Rudy's actions caused too much distraction and confusion, in my view and he clearly veered out of his lane, being led down a garden path by Lutshenko and Poroshenko who desperately wanted Trump's endorsement in the upcoming Ukrainian elections. Yovanovitch gets caught in the crossfire and winds up taking the fall. (Not that she was that dialed in and terrific as an ambassador in the first place.)

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