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So what about Flynn? I wonder how this impacts his continued delayed sentencing.

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Good question. I have no idea.

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I predict that it fades into the abyss with no formal disposition. Mark my words.

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Yep. That's why it was dumped on Friday and not Monday.

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So what about Flynn? I wonder how this impacts his continued delayed sentencing.

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Good question. I have no idea.

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I predict that it fades into the abyss with no formal disposition. Mark my words.

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Yep. That's why it was dumped on Friday and not Monday.

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Mueller has this obsession with filing things late Thursday for pre-dawn raids to be conducted pre-dawn Friday. Or when Trump is overseas and in delicate negotiations. His timing can never be termed as just coincidental. It has always been timed to do damage to Trump, until now.

March Madness. Might as well have dropped this during SuperBowl weekend. Guess the Ides of March last week made him blanch a bit.

Look, if Mueller really in his heart, wanted to try to restore some integrity to DOJ and FBI* by following to the the letter the law, he would have ferreted out and prosecuted those in his own team, Strozk, Page, Weissmann, Ahmad, etc.

He did not. He had jurisdiction to do so. Rosenstein made sure of that. Yet, he did not.

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Many thanks to all of the people that contributed to this thread. Especially aggiehawg, drcrinum, Roscoe and blindey for your insight and expertise.
I have spent way too much time on this thread and enjoyed every minute of it. Any of us paying attention to this thread knew the result of the SC would be a big nothing.

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Thanks MF Barnes!!!

Great times - 2 years following has been a blast!

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Many thanks to all of the people that contributed to this thread. Especially aggiehawg, drcrinum, Roscoe and blindey for your insight and expertise.
I have spent way too much time on this thread and enjoyed every minute of it. Any of us paying attention to this thread knew the result of the SC would be a big nothing.

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I can't emphasize this enough. I've learned legions of things about the law, our government (something I thought I knew a lot about), terrific insight, opinion, and commentary.

I'm also thankful for the moments when my lack of faith in our alphabet agencies, and government in general, caused me to type ridiculous comments that thankfully weren't replied to very often.

Lastly, it's been fantastic to chat with other Aggies who know the real definition of critical thinking.

Having said that, I know it isn't over. If the entire report is released, our Lefty brain donors, eaten up with hate, envy, and jealousy, will stilll attempt some form of legal manuevering. So, let's keep it up!

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Many thanks to all of the people that contributed to this thread. Especially aggiehawg, drcrinum, Roscoe and blindey for your insight and expertise.
I have spent way too much time on this thread and enjoyed every minute of it. Any of us paying attention to this thread knew the result of the SC would be a big nothing.

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Thanks MF Barnes!!!

Great times - 2 years following has been a blast!

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Thanks a lot!

Now I feel like an idiot after my reply, especially if it's true.

I have no idea about this poster but staff has confirmed Roscoe is barnes.

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I have no idea about this poster but staff has confirmed Roscoe is barnes.

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I DON'T want any further comment on that silly, psycho, *******, but he's turned many of us into paranoid posters. I was never insightful enough to figure it out, and don't understand the emotional draw to be needed that badly!

Roscoe is Barnes. He's taken his Schlick to Twitter where the unwashed masses can't see through the BS.

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So what about Flynn? I wonder how this impacts his continued delayed sentencing.

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Good question. I have no idea.

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I predict that it fades into the abyss with no formal disposition. Mark my words.

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Yep. That's why it was dumped on Friday and not Monday.

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Mueller has this obsession with filing things late Thursday for pre-dawn raids to be conducted pre-dawn Friday. Or when Trump is overseas and in delicate negotiations. His timing can never be termed as just coincidental. It has always been timed to do damage to Trump, until now.

March Madness. Might as well have dropped this during SuperBowl weekend. Guess the Ides of March last week made him blanch a bit.

Look, if Mueller really in his heart, wanted to try to restore some integrity to DOJ and FBI* by following to the the letter the law, he would have ferreted out and prosecuted those in his own team, Strozk, Page, Weissmann, Ahmad, etc.

He did not. He had jurisdiction to do so. Rosenstein made sure of that. Yet, he did not.

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Would Mueller's jurisdiction trump Huber's on possible prosecution of DOJ officials?

Rachel Marrow was crying when talking about the Mueller report today. (I can't post the Twitter feed because of the language in the tweet, but the poster was Karli Bonne' at @kbq2251)

Edit: Maddow

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Rachel Marrow was crying when talking about the Mueller report today. (I can't post the Twitter feed because of the language in the tweet, but the poster was Karli Bonne' at @kbq2251)

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Here ya go Doc.

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Rachel Marrow was crying when talking about the Mueller report today. (I can't post the Twitter feed because of the language in the tweet, but the poster was Karli Bonne' at @kbq2251)

Sad, delusional, con woman.

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Here ya go Doc.

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They suspended her account. don't know how long this will last.

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No problem. This mess has been difficult for me to even keep up with and follow and I don't have files on my computer for this stuff. Rely on my memory and if I'm unclear on something, I'll chase it back down to ensure my accuracy. (Even though I failed more times than I care to admit but own my mistakes.)

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When does your book come out, Mrs. Hawg? Plenty of research materials on this thread.

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So what about Flynn? I wonder how this impacts his continued delayed sentencing.

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I predict that it fades into the abyss with no formal disposition. Mark my words.

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It just might. I hope so. If he received any time, they know Trump would commute his sentence anyway.

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Something changed between Flynn's trial and sometime around 4 months ago. Me thinks that this has been long in the works--which is why the sentencing hearing was delayed multiple times.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. Im going own the rabbit hole after today.

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Flynn didn't go to trial, he made a plea deal.

But you are right in that Team Mueller took a turn awhile ago on their tactics regarding Flynn. That was when the FBI's 302s were provided to the judge on the Flynn January 2017 interview with Strzok and Pienta and McCabe's involvement in editing them. McCabe had a personal beef with Flynn and should have never even touched that 302 in any fashion.

McCabe is reportedly under grand jury investigation. Team Mueller would have been wise to keep kicking the sentencing of Flynn down the road to see if the 302 was altered by McCabe. If it came out that their entire harassment and prosecution of Flynn was based on a manufactured 302, that's misconduct worthy of disbarment and possible jail time.

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McCabe will be indicted, followed quickly by a dismissal of Flynn?

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I really hope so. The clowns like Schiff and Nadler are still beating their investigation drums trying desperately to find some shred of wrongdoing (so much so that they'll prop up a liar like Cohen as a star witness) so I hope we start to get more traction towards the roots of this scandal exposed and some criminal charges brought against the likes of McCabe and others.

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So what about Flynn? I wonder how this impacts his continued delayed sentencing.

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Good question. I have no idea.

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I predict that it fades into the abyss with no formal disposition. Mark my words.

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Yep. That's why it was dumped on Friday and not Monday.

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Mueller has this obsession with filing things late Thursday for pre-dawn raids to be conducted pre-dawn Friday. Or when Trump is overseas and in delicate negotiations. His timing can never be termed as just coincidental. It has always been timed to do damage to Trump, until now.

March Madness. Might as well have dropped this during SuperBowl weekend. Guess the Ides of March last week made him blanch a bit.

Look, if Mueller really in his heart, wanted to try to restore some integrity to DOJ and FBI* by following to the the letter the law, he would have ferreted out and prosecuted those in his own team, Strozk, Page, Weissmann, Ahmad, etc.

He did not. He had jurisdiction to do so. Rosenstein made sure of that. Yet, he did not.

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Would Mueller's jurisdiction trump Huber's on possible prosecution of DOJ officials?

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You ask a very interesting question. I'll give a two fold answer.

Mueller's jurisdiction included "other matters arising in the course of the investigation." That language is broad enough to encompass wrongdoing by FBI, DOJ and even his own staff while the investigation was ongoing, in a technical sense.

But Session's recusal, as loosy goosy as it was, didn't mention FISA abuse so Sessions was unencumbered and free to appoint Huber and 'claim that lane' of the investigation so to speak. More of a turf type thing than 'my jurisdiction outweighs yours' sort of thing.

People can debate whether Mueller showed bad faith in appearing to ignore the conflict of having fact witnesses such as Strzok, Page, Weissman and Ahmad on his staff but that wouldn't affect his jurisdiction as defined by Rosenstein.

From a political optic, any aggressive action by Huber would have been seen as tampering, or perhaps hampering of the Mueller investigation. The Dems would have been screaming like a scalded cat. So as best as I can tell, the strategy was to have Huber and Horowitz keep low profiles until Mueller was done.

HTH.

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Yes, his investigation uncovered MAJOR hints at criminal corruption in parts of the Obama admin, possible FARA violations and other corrupt practices by various Democrats working in and with Ukraine, lots of potential legal issues surrounding FBI procedure violations, a possible criminal conspiracy to mislead the FISA court judges, possibly an attempt to influence the election outcome or manipulate US government activities by foreign agents and governments in concert with CIA and state department personnel.

The little hints go on and on and on. Muller didn't have the guts to keep going, and his team likely expressly worked to avoid or suppress as much if that from the final report as possible, and they sure the hell didn't look into all that mess as hard as they could have.

The Hillary email investigation might get a bit of a push, but only insofar as to correct past "mistakes" over how to handle such matters.

I'd like to think Mueller decided he didn't want to trip off utter political chaos by digging too much deeper and have his name forever associated with the results.

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The release of the David Kramer (McCain toadie) was quite illuminating as to confirming strong suspicions as to how organized and targeted of an operation this was. Glenn Simpson is a sleazy, lying political operative but he's a smart one as to identifying useful idiots to leverage greasing the wheels of a lumbering federal government.

He, through Steele and others, launched a multi-pronged campaign towards the FBI. Direct approach by Steele with Special Agent Gaeta in Rome, through DOJ's Bruce Ohr by way of his wife, Nellie, through Brennan and Harry Reid, through dozens of media outlets before the elections. The FBI is cooperating but not fast enough to alter the course of the election.

But does Simpson fold up shop? Not at all. He then uses McCain, an announced enemy of Trump (and likely mentally affected by his brain tumor at that point) to ratchet up the pressure on Comey. They specifically hounded Kramer to find out exactly when McCain did as he was told and passed the dossier to Comey. Simpson knew Comey already had the Steele dossier so why the push?

Two things. McCain first heard about the dossier in a security conference in Halifax from a British friend. This gave the dossier more credibility as an intelligence product. What does McCain do? Sends Kramer to London to immediately interview Steele and then turn around and fly back. Kramer was on the ground in London for less than a day. He even showered and changed at Steele's house and never checked into a hotel. Steele sets up some phony cloak and dagger stuff when meeting Kramer at Heathrow. "I'll be wearing a blue overcoat,, carrying The Financial Times." Who doesn't like to play "spy" at the airport?

At the meeting, Steele repeatedly stresses about how top secret this all is and that people risked their lives to get this information and they could be endangered if the dossier becomes public too soon. (Else why would Kramer scream at Buzzfeed's Bensinger that people could get killed after Bensinger published? Because Steele had given him that idea, of course.)

Kramer returns from London and McCain goes to see Comey. Thereafter, Simpson (and perhaps Steele) keep contacting Kramer about the status. All Kramer can say at that point is that McCain met with Comey. This is a fact that Simpson wants to come out as the hook for a semi-legitimate news story. What happens next? Simpson sics his reporters on Kramer and they start calling him for confirmation of the McCain/Comey meeting regarding this secret report. (Which most of those reporters had seen or been read into beforehand.)

Comey finally briefs Obama. BOOM! Now it's a story all of the news outlets will run with and run they did.

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Pinche Abogado said:

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No other indictments coming per foxnews. MAGA.

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Try $40M

Given the circumstances....

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Rachel Marrow was crying when talking about the Mueller report today. (I can't post the Twitter feed because of the language in the tweet, but the poster was Karli Bonne' at @kbq2251)

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Here ya go Doc.

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LOL. Account Suspended

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No problem. This mess has been difficult for me to even keep up with and follow and I don't have files on my computer for this stuff. Rely on my memory and if I'm unclear on something, I'll chase it back down to ensure my accuracy. (Even though I failed more times than I care to admit but own my mistakes.)

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When does your book come out, Mrs. Hawg? Plenty of research materials on this thread.

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Count me in...but, I'll want an autographed copy!

Hopefully we'll know soon but I am curious if Mueller will explain the decision to farm out the Cohen matter to SDNY. In light of the final addition of the a very questionable campaign finance violation in Cohen's plea deal which was something they could have attached to Trump, so why let that go?

Maybe because they knew it was BS?

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How to unpack what started out as a counter-intel probe, without burning some sources and methods, is going to be tricky. Then there is the question of Five Eyes materials, the deep dive that came out of the Carter Page Title I FISA warrant (and I suspect other FISA warrants that won't be discussed if no charges resulted), the involvement of the State Department in setting up the Trump Tower meeting, and other collateral damage.

The critical question to me is if Barr will reveal if there are other criminal referrals that Mueller has made, that are still out there percolating through the grand jury process.

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The critical question to me is if Barr will reveal if there are other criminal referrals that Mueller has made, that are still out there percolating through the grand jury process.

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I'll update my own post to observe that FNC had a guest who worked with Mueller for over a decade. In his assessment, Mueller left no stone unturned on any investigation and thus referrals of any material matter to other jurisdictions still hanging out there were unlikely.

We'll see.

One thing we don't know: Does Barr also have Horowitz's report in hand as well?
I was expecting the AG to combine the two reports since they are entwined. Seeing one without the other could be very misleading regarding conclusions in the public's mind. Or, perhaps the thinking could be that a nothing-burger Mueller report combined with a damning, multi-criminal indictment-referral list from the Horowitz investigation would be too much for the public to comprehend in a single setting.
Of course, we are assuming there is nothing in the Mueller report...no additional indictments, but, as the Dems are hoping, could it contain adequate seeds with which to mount an impeachment?

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Of course, we are assuming there is nothing in the Mueller report...no additional indictments, but, as the Dems are hoping, could it contain adequate seeds with which to mount an impeachment?

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They don't need anything.

When you have people like Schiff and Warner saying that the Trump Tower meeting is all the "proof of collusion" that is needed, you know they're going to impeach simply because Orange Man Bad.

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Of course, we are assuming there is nothing in the Mueller report...no additional indictments, but, as the Dems are hoping, could it contain adequate seeds with which to mount an impeachment?

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They don't need anything.

When you have people like Schiff and Warner saying that the Trump Tower meeting is all the "proof of collusion" that is needed, you know they're going to impeach simply because Orange Man Bad.

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What is insane to me is their threat to subpoena Mueller and Barr without having even seen the report, yet. Do they really want Bob Mueller, under oath in an open hearing, to repeat that he found no evidence of collusion, nor concerted activity between Russian agents and the Trump campaign and publicly exonerate him??

Even worse, attacking Mueller by accusing him of not being thorough and then have Mueller tick off the list of things he did investigate?

Seems to me that would be the death knell for continuing any investigation at that point. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Looks like the Dem love-arrangement with Mueller already has turned into a hate-arrangement without knowing the details in the report.

For my own part, I doubt my hate-relationship with Mueller will ever flip-flop to a love-arrangement, regardless of what is in the report.