Rockdoc said:

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Boys we may as well face facts. Comey and the plotters are never going to pay for their shenanigans. The swamp won't have it. Disgusting.

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Sad day

Some notes on Comey's testimony:

1) Page 134 -- opened '4 counterintelligence files' after initiating Crossfire Hurricane. (I don't believe this means there were FISAs.)

2) Page 136 -- the first information of Americans working with Russians came at the end of July 2016, Papadopoulos's conversations in England with the ambassador of an allied nation.

3) Bottom Page 137 & top Page 138 -- Comey gives evasive answers to question: Was the FBI trying to collect info prior to July 2016? Never answers directly, says not aware of any info collected before July 2016.

4) Page 140 -- Comey not aware of General Counsel James Baker receiving info from Perkins Coie. The name Michael Sussmann was queried by Rep Meadows. Cyber info related to the investigation mentioned.

5) Pages 195/196 -- Comey did not know that Steele was passing info to Ohr to give to the FBI or about the dozen 302s about it.

This is likely the most important part of Comey's testimony. It's not a new revelation, but in this context it emphasizes that the Dossier should not have been used in Carter Page's FISA application...though without it, the application would likely not have been approved.

aggiehawg said:

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WTH would be in a FISA application for Michael Flynn?

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That RT gathering he attended and was seated right next to Putin for one. Perhaps his Turkey Lobbying.

Haven't read it all but that is whole lot of double-speak and evasion.

I truly hope there is a method in the madness here. When I knew I had a multi-day deposition or courtroom examination, I wouldn't drill down immediately, instead keep the questions a little more vague, accept the "I don't recall." The next day, I have the transcripts and the documents that contradict or cast questions about those "I don't recall," answers.

In Comey's case, one text message or email can trip him up and do so in a devastating manner. Hope Gowdy is on his A game.

RoscoePColtrane said:

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aggiehawg said:

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WTH would be in a FISA application for Michael Flynn?

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That RT gathering he attended and was seated right next to Putin for one. Perhaps his Turkey Lobbying.

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I'm lazy. Refresh my memory, that dinner was on which date?

RoscoePColtrane said:

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aggiehawg said:

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WTH would be in a FISA application for Michael Flynn?

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That RT gathering he attended and was seated right next to Putin for one. Perhaps his Turkey Lobbying.

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The only FISA in July we know about for certain was the one on Manafort which was re-activated; plus they certainly went to great lengths to finally get the Page application approved in October following an early denial. We don't know for certain about FISAs on Flynn & Papadopoulos in 2016 (suspicious, yes)

However, suppose they asked GCHQ for surveillance assistance. GCHQ doesn't need US FISC approval.

Another possibility was having surveillance on all pertinent Russian, Turkish & Israeli sources monitored and any communications with the principals extracted & collected into their respective counterintelligence files.

aggiehawg said:

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RoscoePColtrane said:

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aggiehawg said:

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WTH would be in a FISA application for Michael Flynn?

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That RT gathering he attended and was seated right next to Putin for one. Perhaps his Turkey Lobbying.

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I'm lazy. Refresh my memory, that dinner was on which date?

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December 2015 in a Moscow hotel.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696

Thanks. The timing is more than suspect on the opening of the investigation.

aggiehawg said:

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Thanks. The timing is more than suspect on the opening of the investigation.

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There was another Flynn dinner involving a Russian 'honeypot' that drew a lot of attention from UK intel people; Cambridge, England in February 2014. Dearlove was there.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-39863781

Turns out Halper was present at that dinner as well.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/05/24/fbi-spy-stefan-halper-spread-false-claims/

drcrinum said:

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Some notes on Comey's testimony:

1) Page 134 -- opened '4 counterintelligence files' after initiating Crossfire Hurricane. (I don't believe this means there were FISAs.)

2) Page 136 -- the first information of Americans working with Russians came at the end of July 2016, Papadopoulos's conversations in England with the ambassador of an allied nation.

3) Bottom Page 137 & top Page 138 -- Comey gives evasive answers to question: Was the FBI trying to collect info prior to July 2016? Never answers directly, says not aware of any info collected before July 2016.

4) Page 140 -- Comey not aware of General Counsel James Baker receiving info from Perkins Coie. The name Michael Sussmann was queried by Rep Meadows. Cyber info related to the investigation mentioned.

5) Pages 195/196 -- Comey did not know that Steele was passing info to Ohr to give to the FBI or about the dozen 302s about it.

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From the FISA Application itself they state where they initially got the "information" from the US State Department. There is a lot of conflicting testimonies and statement of agents via 302's. Whoever was in charge of the scrubbing was lousy at it. This house of cards is on real shaky ground.

I'm still trying to follow all of this and I appreciate the folks on this thread that are explaining all this legalise stuff. However, this has been going on for over 2 years. I have lost all faith in our justice system. No one politically connected is going to get in trouble or go to jail. Sad.

RoscoePColtrane said:

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aggiehawg said:

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WTH would be in a FISA application for Michael Flynn?

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That RT gathering he attended and was seated right next to Putin for one. Perhaps his Turkey Lobbying.

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Was one opened on Jill Stein?

If POTUS want to send the left in a real tailspin, he should tweet out he's considering pardoning Flynn and making him the next Chief of Staff....

valvemonkey91 said:

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I'm still trying to follow all of this and I appreciate the folks on this thread that are explaining all this legalise stuff. However, this has been going on for over 2 years. I have lost all faith in our justice system. No one politically connected is going to get in trouble or go to jail. Sad.

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Here's something for you to read. You need some encouragement.

https://quodverum.com/2018/12/343/victory-is-near-spygate-is-timed-to-blow.html

Thanks drc. I'll believe it when I see it. I wish I shared that optimism. I'm just worn out. The abject defiance of laws, blatant lies, zero integrity, willful criminal activity with no fear of reprimand has taken its toll. There truly is a separate system of justice for the political class. I fear for my children and grandchildren. I hope I'm wrong.

The problem with Rex's theory is once Mueller is shut down he issues his scathing, puffed up hit piece recommending impeachment of Trump.

Anything in the way of indictments or declassification will be spun heavily by the MSM as fraudulent and as simple retribution for Mueller's report.

Once the House takes over next month they start the impeachment process and #resist gets kicked up to a new, unbearable level.

I weep for this country's future.

ETA - I like Rex but I still remember when Cohen was first brought under suspicion and Rex stated how brilliant and smart Cohen was since he was Trump's lawyer and how it was a desperate attempt by the deep state. Of course Rex flipped his tune on Cohen and he did the same with Mueller, claiming he was a white hat for months before reluctantly backtracking.

McCarthy thinks SDNY is going to indict Trump

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-c-mccarthy-why-trump-is-likely-to-be-indicted-by-manhattan-us-attorney


Not buying it

valvemonkey91 said:

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Thanks drc. I'll believe it when I see it. I wish I shared that optimism. I'm just worn out. The abject defiance of laws, blatant lies, zero integrity, willful criminal activity with no fear of reprimand has taken its toll. There truly is a separate system of justice for the political class. I fear for my children and grandchildren. I hope I'm wrong.

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It takes a very long time -- years -- to coordinate the evidence and planning to successfully prosecute major RICO cases (equivalent to SpyGate, U-1, & Clinton Foundation), plus you are dealing with extremely wealthy & powerful political figures who have access to the premier legal defense teams currently available. One simply can't afford to make any mistakes. Perhaps, though, in the best interests of the country, the most beneficial result (healing a divided nation) may be public exposure & humiliation rather than overt prosecution. I'm comfortable with the latter, although my inner self wishes to see the guillotine employed.

Late last night I entered a discussion concerning a brief exchange that took place between Rep Ratcliffe & Comey during Comey's testimony on Friday. The focus was on this section below:



A chap I follow pondered on the above exchange, considered the timing & events which were occurring in the immediate period, & he concluded that Comey's "unverified material" comment above was a reference to a paragraph in the very first Dossier report generated by Steele dated June 19, 2016. (Remember the comment Roscoe just highlighted about the information being initially provided by the State Department, not the FBI? Nuland/Winer?) Below is Page 1 of Steele's initial Dossier report; focus on the last paragraph dealing with Hillary Clinton:



A Dossier on Hillary (Not Trump)...bugged conversations & intercepted phone calls. Hillary's Blackberry phones! (Did you know that it was possible to bug a Blackberry with spyware prior to 2009? That would include the ability to not only provide surveillance of phone conversations & telecom numbers, but also to access emails & texts. And her phones were synched with her server. And she not only traveled to Russia, but to China & Pakistan as well. She even called Obama from overseas.)

So here was Comey in late June 2016, provided with "unverified material" that the Russians possessed a Dossier on Hillary. Did the Russians possess Hillary's telecoms & emails while she was SOS? And, at this same time, Comey's crew was in the midst of completing the investigation of Hillary's emails & preparing a report for Lynch to exonerate Hillary. Steele's first Dossier report really changed the playing field regarding the Hillary email investigation. If the Russians subsequently were to release Hillary's emails & telecoms after Lynch exonerated Hillary, that would be totally disastrous for the DOJ as well as the upcoming Election. But was Steele's intel accurate? Are you beginning to see what was going on during the immediate time frame before Comey made his fateful announcement on July 5, 2016 concerning the investigation of Hillary's emails, exonerating Hillary, and taking it out of Lynch's hands?

If it is accurate, that the "unverified material" Comey referenced in his testimony Friday was the Hillary Dossier depicted in Steele's initial Dossier report, then this is an absolute bombshell. If!!! Remember, the above is a speculation...but it's certainly very suspicious.

Ask Comey at his followup hearing: "When was the very first time you saw a report from Steele that later became part of his Dossier?" I'm certain he won't answer the question.

Here is a threadreader from last night (minus comments):
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1071579838841061378.html

BMX Bandit said:

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McCarthy thinks SDNY is going to indict Trump

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew-c-mccarthy-why-trump-is-likely-to-be-indicted-by-manhattan-us-attorney


Not buying it

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Neither do I. SDNY wouldn't even convene a grand jury with Trump as the target without Main Justice's knowledge and approval.

McCarthy is up to something with this article but damned if I know what it is.

Saw that last night it's a very interesting take.

I kinda thought Comey was talking about that email that was floating around for a while that was suppose to be from Lynch having some kind of arrangement with the Clintons. The email had some metadata funny business and I thought it was chalked up to some 4chan nonsense.

George has them back on blast again. Time served he's ready to sell a book I guess

Even with explaining his "point" he hasn't explained how SDNY going to indict a sitting president. Even Comey reiterated it can't be done.

This looks to be a "let me make a far fetched claim, so on the minuscule chance it happens in can look like a genius" move

They will try to indict even if not successful to give the house a reason to impeach him.

Same way Dens have been using indictments against republicans for a while.

Cepe said:

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They will try to indict even if not successful to give the house a reason to impeach him.

Same way Dens have been using indictments against republicans for a while.

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How will they "try to indict"? The specific policy is they can't.

Trump makes some valid points in his tweet.

Also. If the Dems try to impeach Trump it would be the dumbest political move they could ever make.

Bring it on DipSh/ts

BMX Bandit said:

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Cepe said:

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They will try to indict even if not successful to give the house a reason to impeach him.

Same way Dens have been using indictments against republicans for a while.

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How will they "try to indict"? The specific policy is they can't.

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They indict and then it goes to court to determine if they can or not. Probably goes all the way to the SC. They lose but the basis is set for impeachment.

I'm not saying they can - I am saying they will try and it will be litigated.

But, it serves the same purpose.

So they are going to ignore their policy.

That's not happening

Nuts to think Khuzami would move to indict Trump.

Plus they would have to get permission from the US Attorney General. Good luck with that !!