Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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Rapier108 said:

I wasn't referring to a random nutcase leftist. I was referring to an assassination planned and carried out by the deep state.

Agreed
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They (deep state, swamp, intelligence community, who ever they are) raided Cohens office after letting Hillary sort her own emails, destroy evidence, and store a server with above Top Secret intelligence in her bathroom.

What other campaign finance violation investigation raided a lawyers office?

The intelligence agency is criminal, but who polices the police? Nobody!

And as all this crap is ongoing the network of people just becomes an ever more shocking web of marriages, cousins, and business partners spanning the globe, spanning corporations and spanning governments.

As all this info slowly emerges its not hard to imagine that there could be a few thousand elites and many followers globally that live a totally different reality than the rest of us regarding societal social structure, governing rules, and wealth. Some would undoubtedly see themselves as gods and of some greater intrinsic worth that the rest of humanity.
I'm not convinced all elites are orchestrated in their efforts to undermine the rest of us like some illuminati cult. More like mafia families on steroids with influence over national governments and global regulators instead of city governments and local regulators.

And then they marry within the other mafia families and strike business deals with the other families, and pull in up and coming influencers to gain control and influence over them or they take extra steps to keep them out.
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Here's something to think about.

Everyone talks about all the "corruption" in Washington DC and how everyone has a "hand" in the pie including all these so called "lobbyists". I myself don't know any lobbyists or even anyone in DC. So a guy like Paul Manafort is a lobbyist no one would have ever known about if it weren't for his time working for Trumps campaign. So this unknown lobbyist Paul Manafort was supposedly paid $60 MILLION in fees from the Ukrainian government to push a certain agenda / item for the Ukraine government. $60 million is a lot of money, and it was probably all legal money at the time for services rendered by a lobbyist.

Anyway, I'm just amazed that some no name lobbyist is paid $60 million and it all seems pretty common in DC, who would have ever thought what a lobbyist could make?

If a no name lobbyist can make $60 mil, wonder what our senators and congressman, Head of agencies, etc etc etc make? It has to be more than a lobbyist.. maybe it's all made after they leave office?

This Manafort case is going to open the eyes of some people who didn't really understand what some of these people make.

Just my observation
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The first document that the POTUS needs to release, that wouldn't need to even be declassified is the Hush Money list from Congress, where Tax money was paid to silence complaints of sexual misconduct. He should be able to get his hands on it I would think, and it's an expenditure of federal funds that should be public anyway. Redact the victim's names and put it out to the public.
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RoscoePColtrane said:

The first document that the POTUS needs to release, that wouldn't need to even be declassified is the Hush Money list from Congress, where Tax money was paid to silence complaints of sexual misconduct. He should be able to get his hands on it I would think, and it's an expenditure of federal funds that should be public anyway. Redact the victim's names and put it out to the public.
Yup, I like this idea. If that's the game they want to play, time to go scorched earth. Do it!
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I want to see the media members paid by fusion for stories.
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Cepe said:

I want to see the media members paid by fusion for stories.


This. Talk about being able to make the final case on the media.
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Mornin' all!

A couple of things stood out to me in my perusal of the inter-webs this morning.

First, this is an older Sara Carter piece about texts between Steele and Bruce Ohr.

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March, 2017, two days before former FBI Director James Comey testified to lawmakers that the bureau had an open counterintelligence investigation into President Trump's campaign, former British spy Christopher Steele sent an urgent message to Department of Justice official Bruce Ohr hoping that "important firewalls will hold" when Comey testified.

The text message from Steele, who compiled the infamous unverified dossier on Trump, was sent on March 18, 2017, to Ohr and obtained by SaraACarter.com from a government source, familiar with the ongoing investigation.

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We're a bit apprehensive given scheduled appearance at Congress on Monday. Hoping that important firewalls will hold.

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Ohr writes back later that day, saying "Sorry, no new news. I believe my earlier information is still accurate. I will let you know immediately if there is any change."

It is not certain, based on the limited communications obtained by Congress between the pair, what Ohr was referring to when he discussed "earlier information" that he delivered to Steele.
Interesting but this really caught my eye:

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Months before Comey's testimony, on Nov. 21, 2016, the handwritten document by Ohr lists a possible meeting with Strzok, Page and Special Agent Joe Pientka (who along with Strzok interviewed former National Security Advisor Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn). The document is one of several hundred documents obtained by lawmakers after long battles with the DOJ.

In the handwritten note, Ohr jots down, "no prosecution yet, pushing ahead on M case," in reference to Paul Manafort, who is now facing years old charges on financial crimes and money laundering.
Ohr also wrote on the same memo, "may go back to Chris," in reference to Christopher Steele.
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Let's unpack these two. Steele was fired from the FBI in November 2016 yet he still knows there is a "firewall" in place in March 2017? This is a few months after Buzzfeed had published the dossier and made Steele a household name. Nevertheless, Steele is obviously concerned there is much more to be contained and he isn't talking about some national security, nor sources and methods crap. Hopefully Ohr will be questioned closely on just what that "firewall" was/is.

Then there is the hand-written note during a meeting purportedly with Strzok, Page and Pientka not even two weeks after Trump has won the election. Ohr wasn't in counter-intel at DOJ. He would have little to no reason to meet with them other than to act as the conduit to Steele. Nevertheless, he receives info from Strzok/Page there is no prosecution case made yet on Manafort but they are apparently still looking.

Next, Ohr is obviously requested to go back to Steele for some more information. Was that related to Manafort? I think so. Steele is connected to Oleg Deripaska who was connected to Manafort during his time in the Ukraine. Deripaska knows how much he paid Manafort and likely knew where some of those overseas accounts were located. Again, hopefully Ohr won't have a failure of memory and can explain what he meant when he took those notes.

Moving on to the always thoughtful Andy McCarthy who has unpacked the Cohen plea deal and the Pecker/AMI immunity agreement. He makes the point that although the immunity agreement was first reported on the heels on the Cohen announcement, it likely was in the works since shortly after the raid on Cohen's home and office. Why?

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In reality, there is almost certainly much less here than meets the eye. In short, while we are just now learning that Pecker and his subordinate, Dylan Howard, were granted immunity, this appears to have happened many weeks ago to be precise, shortly after search warrants were executed in April on the office and residences of Cohen, President Trump's former lawyer. Back then, prosecutors did not know whether Cohen would fight them or plead guilty. They needed Pecker and Howard in order to tighten up the case against Cohen, not necessarily to make a case on the president.
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First, a word about those charges. It has become common to refer collectively to Counts 7 and 8 as the "campaign finance offenses," as if they were indistinguishable from one another. We need to be more precise. This is not a situation in which the same statutory crime has simply been charged twice because there are deals with two different women. Counts 7 and 8 are saliently different, invoking distinct provisions of the campaign finance laws and proceeding on divergent theories of liability.

Specifically, Count 7 charges Cohen not with making an illegal donation, but with "Causing an Unlawful Corporate Contribution" (emphasis added). By contrast, Count 8 alleges that Cohen himself made an "Excessive Campaign Contribution" (emphasis added).

Let's focus first on Count 7. Federal campaign finance law makes it illegal for a corporation to make direct ("hard money") contributions to candidates. Count 7 alleges that Cohen induced AMI (through its executives, Pecker and Howard) to use the "catch and kill" strategy i.e., to pay $150,000 for the exclusive rights to former Playboy model Karen McDougal's story about an affair with Donald Trump, but to bury it rather than publish it.

Much has been made about Cohen's admission in court that the payments to the two women involved Ms. McDougal and Stephanie Clifford, the porn star known as "Stormy Daniels" were made "in coordination with and at the direction of" candidate Trump. Yet Cohen (and, derivatively, Trump) made no payment at all to McDougal; AMI paid the $150,000.

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That was not the way it was supposed to go. The plan was for Cohen (backed by Trump) to reimburse most of the costs by paying AMI $125,000 to transfer the rights to McDougal's story to a dummy corporation ("Resolution Consultants LLC") set up by Cohen. At the last minute, however, Pecker balked at this arrangement (which was memorialized in a signed agreement seized through the Cohen search warrants). Pecker was evidently following the advice of counsel: If AMI sold the rights to Trump, it would manifestly have bought the story to help his campaign, not for journalistic reasons.

These facts created a proof problem for prosecutors: How to charge Cohen with an illegal contribution when he didn't pay any money? They solved this problem by accusing him of causing the corporation to make the illegal contribution. But to pull that off, they needed Pecker and Howard as witnesses. That, I believe, is why they gave the AMI executives immunity.
That's a neat trick, eh? Remember that snippet of a tape between Cohen and Trump was about this transaction, the one that never happened.

But wait, it gets more bizarre. Enter Stormy.

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Let's compare Count 8. It alleges that Cohen himself made an excessive contribution. This is the much more straightforward Stormy Daniels payoff: Through another dummy corporation ("Essential Consultants LLC"), Cohen paid her $130,000, far in excess of the $2,700 limit for individuals.

There is an ironic twist to this transaction. It was the AMI executives who alerted Cohen that Ms. Clifford was shopping her story. Cohen ended up cutting a deal with Clifford's lawyer (Michael Avenatti) to buy her silence just days after publication of the infamous "Access Hollywood" video (in which Trump is heard bragging about groping women). The temporal proximity of the video's surfacing and the hush-money agreement is a key fact relied on by prosecutors to allege that the payoff was election-related (i.e., an in-kind campaign contribution), not just hush money to avoid personal embarrassment.
So the timing between the release of the Access Hollywood tape was the sole motivating factor? Not quite. Also, I don't think Avenatti was Stormy's lawyer during this phase. Some guy named Davidson was and there were some questionable prior dealings between Cohen and Davidson. So where is Davidson in the charges?

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Upon making the agreement, though, Cohen failed to pay the money. After three weeks of this foot-dragging, Clifford got impatient and threatened to go public. AMI's Howard got wind of this and warned Cohen in a text. Howard and Pecker followed up with an encrypted phone call, after which Cohen forked over the $130,000.
Stormy herself was driving that bus as the election loomed and her story would become less valuable after a Hillary win as everyone expected. Yet nowhere in this mess is Trump. Indeed, Andy points that out.

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Consequently, the script flips: Just as it was said in Count 7 that Cohen caused AMI to make an unlawful corporate contribution, it could also be said in Count 8 that Pecker, Howard, and AMI caused Cohen to make an excessive campaign contribution. Of course, the immunity agreement protected the two executives on this score, and the corporation has not been charged.
Normally legal sleights of hand are fascinating to me. But when they get too attenuated to the law, squeezing some inconvenient square facts into a legal round hole, as was done here, I have to wonder if the allegations would survive the harsh light of a courtroom and appellate review.

Of course, with a guilty plea we'll never know the answer to that question.

Sorry for the long post but just some things that made me go, "Hhhhmmm."

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aggiehawg said:

Of course, with a guilty plea we'll never know the answer to that question.
Nice post.

With respect to the plea, I'm rather surprised that an Article III judge (even if a dyed-in-the-wool Obama appointee) would actually sign off on that plea. It's one thing to be a pettifogger in front of the bench but to be a pettifogger on the bench is really bad. Most judges I know would never let their reputation get attached to something like this.
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Well, let me ask this about yours and Hawg's post.

You both have such reasoned questions and comments about the legal industry, and judges in particular. How much of the Manafort trial, the Cohen pleadings, and the OTHER Manafort discussions to date, have surprised y'all?

I ask because, as blindey said, "Most judges I know would never let their reputation get attached to something like this". The point I'm trying to make is I'm so jaded regarding the law, and the Left, I have very little faith in the judges.
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blindey said:

aggiehawg said:

Of course, with a guilty plea we'll never know the answer to that question.
Nice post.

With respect to the plea, I'm rather surprised that an Article III judge (even if a dyed-in-the-wool Obama appointee) would actually sign off on that plea. It's one thing to be a pettifogger in front of the bench but to be a pettifogger on the bench is really bad. Most judges I know would never let their reputation get attached to something like this.
I had that question as well. Would a judge just rubber-stamp this? Or at least request a brief in support of the legal theories advanced here? And would the judge allow an amicus brief from outside parties since Lanny Davis obviously wouldn't submit a countervailing viewpoint.
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Well my specific concern on this plea is that some of the "criminal" activity he's pleading guilty to appears to be really dubious. And the judges are supposed to act as another safeguard between the force of the government and the public at large.

Most judges would pay careful attention to what they are allowing a citizen to plead guilty (and agree to give up substantial and very important rights in so doing).
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aggiehawg said:

blindey said:

aggiehawg said:

Of course, with a guilty plea we'll never know the answer to that question.
Nice post.

With respect to the plea, I'm rather surprised that an Article III judge (even if a dyed-in-the-wool Obama appointee) would actually sign off on that plea. It's one thing to be a pettifogger in front of the bench but to be a pettifogger on the bench is really bad. Most judges I know would never let their reputation get attached to something like this.
I had that question as well. Would a judge just rubber-stamp this? Or at least request a brief in support of the legal theories advanced here? And would the judge allow an amicus brief from outside parties since Lanny Davis obviously wouldn't submit a countervailing viewpoint.
On the rubber stamping part, the answer should be "no." And in every situation where I've seen an Article III judge accepting a guilty plea, the answer is no. Federal judges take the process of accepting a guilty plea very seriously and frequently have questions for the defendant to answer directly. I recall waiting for a hearing in (I think, this was like 8 years ago so don't hold me to it) Judge Lake's court in S.D. Tex. while he was in the process of accepting a guilty plea. I think he spent at least 15 minutes talking with the defendant, making sure that he understood what the plea meant, what rights he was giving up, etc. It was a solemn process if ever there was one.

On the amicus thing, instinct says the answer is that no one has the right to do that, but that is an uninformed guess.
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Welp. Trump Organization's CFO got an immunity deal. The rolling barrage continues.
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How can the swamp be drained if all of its creatures keep getting immunity deals.
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William Inblack said:

How can the swamp be drained if all of its creatures keep getting immunity deals.

I doubt the Trump organization CFO has immunity from state prosecution.
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William Inblack said:

How can the swamp be drained if all of its creatures keep getting immunity deals.
When a CFO gets immunity, the target is the CEO.

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aggiehawg said:

William Inblack said:

How can the swamp be drained if all of its creatures keep getting immunity deals.
When a CFO gets immunity, the target is the CEO.



I think most voters see this for what it is. If they succeed in getting Trump removed and let the DOJ/Hillary corruption go unpunished, I think there is going to hell to pay.
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Here's a hypothetical...

If Trump issues an EO to declassify all material related to the Russia Investigation / FISA Warrants, etc.

What happens if DOJ / FBI refuse?

Obviously, heads will roll immediately. Does he use the US Marshals or US Military to seize the documents from the rogue executive sub-branch? Can he?
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So the SDNY is giving the DFO of the Trump organization. Even Fox is misreporting on this saying this is Mueller and it's not. Giving him immunity just keeps him from pleading the fifth, not sure in what court that may be in, Cohen has plead out. Is the SDNY gone rouge and opened a criminal case on the Trump Organization on for campaign violations? That's a bit bizarre? Where is the head of the FEC on all this?

Sounds like a blitzkrieg to me. Russia and Collusion is out. Obstruction is out thus far, this sounds like an attempt to bait Trump into obstructing Justice.
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RoscoePColtrane said:

So the SDNY is giving the DFO of the Trump organization. Even Fox is misreporting on this saying this is Mueller and it's not. Giving him immunity just keeps him from pleading the fifth, not sure in what court that may be in, Cohen has plead out. Is the SDNY gone rouge and opened a criminal case on the Trump Organization on for campaign violations? That's a bit bizarre? Where is the head of the FEC on all this?

Sounds like a blitzkrieg to me. Russia and Collusion is out. Obstruction is out thus far, this sounds like an attempt to bait Trump into obstructing Justice.
This might be just making a mountain out of molehill. The Cohen case should essentially be over with his plea. The CFO was granted immunity in that case and that case alone as it is being reported. The information on the phony and padded invoices likely was corroborated by the CFO that they were paid.

He has no further obligation to cooperate, at least that should be the way that worked.

That having been said, his deal was with the SDNY, not Mueller. Nothing to stop Mueller from swooping in to open another facet of inquiry and targeting Trump's CFO.

I honestly don't know the answer to this question but wonder if Trump's use of his private corporate funds as opposed to personal accounts violated the prohibition of corporate campaign contributions? Were the payments to Cohen the only arguable campaign expenses paid by the Trump Organization??? If there were more, the CFO would certainly know about them.
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Jerk.

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When The Post called Cohen's lawyer, Lanny Davis, at the time to confirm the report, he said as an anonymous source that it was accurate.

But Thursday, Davis, speaking on the record, apologized for confirming something he did not know to be true.

"I regret that I wasn't clear enough to The Post. I should have been more clear. I could not independently confirm the information in the CNN story," he said.

"I'm sorry that I left that impression. I wasn't at the meeting. The only person who could confirm that information is my client."
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RoscoePColtrane said:

So the SDNY is giving the DFO of the Trump organization. Even Fox is misreporting on this saying this is Mueller and it's not. Giving him immunity just keeps him from pleading the fifth, not sure in what court that may be in, Cohen has plead out. Is the SDNY gone rouge and opened a criminal case on the Trump Organization on for campaign violations? That's a bit bizarre? Where is the head of the FEC on all this?

Sounds like a blitzkrieg to me. Russia and Collusion is out. Obstruction is out thus far, this sounds like an attempt to bait Trump into obstructing Justice.
The SDNY is working with the New York DA to bring whatever charges they can make up against Trump, his family, and his employees.

The deal will be, "if you resign, this all goes away." If you don't, we'll send your kids to prison for life.
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Hyperbole noted
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Rapier108 said:

RoscoePColtrane said:

So the SDNY is giving the DFO of the Trump organization. Even Fox is misreporting on this saying this is Mueller and it's not. Giving him immunity just keeps him from pleading the fifth, not sure in what court that may be in, Cohen has plead out. Is the SDNY gone rouge and opened a criminal case on the Trump Organization on for campaign violations? That's a bit bizarre? Where is the head of the FEC on all this?

Sounds like a blitzkrieg to me. Russia and Collusion is out. Obstruction is out thus far, this sounds like an attempt to bait Trump into obstructing Justice.
The SDNY is working with the New York DA to bring whatever charges they can make up against Trump, his family, and his employees.

The deal will be, "if you resign, this all goes away." If you don't, we'll send your kids to prison for life.
Well oddly enough, I think this could be right. The way they're setting this up, trump is not gonna be able to pardon these people. Mueller and company are not fixin to finish up. They're just getting started. And as far as there being hell to pay? Who's gonna make them pay It? The republicans? The corrupt DOJ? I'm a trump guy and voter, and will vote for him again. If he's there.
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If there were altered invoices and a state income tax return has been filed, the person that signed it or had knowledge of it is going to be prosecuted.
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Kind of like altered 302s, right?
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People are realizing that the jig is up. DJT was hoping to wait until after the November mid-terms to drop the hammer, and when that happens ... it's going to be chaos. They are desperate and trying to take him out by any means necessary, as soon as possible.
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http://theweek.com/speedreads/792095/trump-white-house-apparently-fullblown-conspiracy-theory-murky-origin-about-obama-officials

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In the early days of the Trump administration, a memo of uncertain origin circulated at the highest levels of the White House laying out a conspiracy theory about "coordinated attacks" on President Trump's foreign policy agenda from a group of former Obama administration officials, according to a memo obtained by The New Yorker's Adam Entous and Ronan Farrow. The memo, which "reads like a U.S. military-intelligence officer's analysis of a foreign-insurgent network," they wrote, posited that "the communications infrastructure ... used to sell ObamaCare and the Iran Deal to the public ('Echo Chamber') has been shifted from the White House into the private sector."

The unsigned, undated memo dubbed the alleged cabal the Echo Chamber, and while "Trump Administration officials familiar with it offered conflicting accounts of who authored it and whether it originated inside or outside the White House," its content, language, and themes bear remarkable resemblance to internal documents from the Israeli private-intelligence firm Black Cube, Entous and Farrow report.

In May, Farrow and Britain's The Observer uncovered a Black Cube campaign targeting the alleged ring leaders of the "Echo Chamber," Ben Rhodes and Colin Kahl, plus their families. Black Rock told The New Yorker it "does not get involved in politics" and "is not aware of the documents mentioned in this article, neither their contents.".....

Ben Rhodes...

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Ben Rhodes...
Find his communications with Evelyn Farkas. She admitted to being in on it, among many others, according to her.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1033101613332930560.html

Interesting thread on Bruce Ohr & the main Russian source for Steele's dossier.
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Another fun tidbit: remember the parkland high school kids. David Hogg took a selfie with Nellie ohr and called her "the founder of the movement"

Both her and her husband are ****ing anti-American losers.
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hbtheduce said:

Another fun tidbit: remember the parkland high school kids. David Hogg took a selfie with Nellie ohr and called her "the founder of the movement"

Both her and her husband are ****ing anti-American losers.
Wrong kid but same point




Hogg was with the other witch

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