This is all theater.

The right knows....the left knows the right knows.


Maybe the dump is timed for maximum effectiveness.

Check out his youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj-npRJj_-vfox4IDw4p2YQ

Rosenstein go to answer is "I understand your concern"

Swallowswell had to really suck as a prosecutor, he can't even lead a witness when he's trying with all his might. Weak as hell

Ted Lieu just lied and said that Strzok used a grand jury and got search warrants on Clinton? He is lying his ass off

Anyone that thinks that the search on Manafort's storage is going to get thrown out hasn't been paying attention to the federal judiciary. As long as the prosecutor can convince the judge that the lie the fbi told to get the warrant, or even if they did it after the fact, and it was not material, the judge will defer to the prosecution and let it stand. The flip side is that if a witness misremembers something when they talk to the fbi, and that lie may even remotely maybe hinder the investigation, the full weight of the justice system comes down on them.
It sucks that this double standard exists, but that's the way the game is played now.

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While I appreciate this thread very much, I have to say it also frustrates me to see just how legalistic we have become as a nation. It seems like we have lost sight of the basic premise of "regardless of whether or not this is strictly legal, is this morally right?"

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This is a horrible view to have. 100 different people have 100 different views about what is or is not moral.

Law must be blind.

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I'm not going to derail this excellent thread, but you are dead wrong. If you want to discuss why, you can start a thread, but the vast majority of morality is not subjective and the law is not blind, which is the whole damn problem. That's the last I'll say of it on this thread.

Justice must be blind, laws should be black and white, but the different shades are why lawyers are so well paid

H.Res.970 - Insisting that the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

Sponsor: Rep. Meadows, Mark [R-NC-11] (Introduced 06/27/2018)
Committees: House - Judiciary; Intelligence (Permanent Select)

Passed: 224 -- 184, 06/28/2018

Text of House Resolution 970: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-resolution/970/text

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H. RES. 970

Insisting that the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 27, 2018
Mr. Meadows (for himself, Mr. Jordan, Mr. Buck, Mr. Gaetz, Mr. Johnson of Louisiana, Mr. DeSantis, Mr. DesJarlais, Mr. Zeldin, Mr. Perry, Mr. Gosar, Mr. Brat, Mr. Duncan of South Carolina, Mr. Harris, Mr. Davidson, Mr. Biggs, Mr. Scalise, Mr. Jody B. Hice of Georgia, Mr. Norman, Mr. Mooney of West Virginia, and Mr. Griffith) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (Permanent Select), for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

RESOLUTION
Insisting that the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

Whereas "the power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That power is broad. It encompasses inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws as well as proposed or possibly needed statutes [and] comprehends probes into departments of the Federal Government to expose corruption, inefficiency or waste." (Watkins v. United States (354 U.S. 178, 187));

Whereas a necessary corollary of Congress's oversight and investigative authority is the power to issue and enforce subpoenas. The "ssuance of subpoenas has long been held to be a legitimate use by Congress of its power to investigate." (Eastland v. U.S. Serviceman's Fund (421 U.S. 491, 504));

Whereas Chairman Devin Nunes of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives requested information on potential abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in a March 8, 2017, letter to the Department of Justice;

Whereas the Committee reviewed responsive documents on March 17, 2017, but thereafter the Department of Justice refused to make the documents available;

Whereas Chairman Nunes issued a subpoena on August 24, 2017, to include the documents sought on March 8, 2017;

Whereas the Department of Justice came to substantially comply with the subpoena 10 months after the subpoena and more than one year from the original request;

Whereas Chairman Nunes sought documents related to 9 current or former Department of Justice personnel in a March 23, 2018, letter;

Whereas the Department of Justice complied with the request relating to one individual on May 8, 2018, but has yet to fully comply with the other requests;

Whereas Chairman Nunes sent a letter classified "SECRET" on April 24, 2018, followed by a subpoena on April 30, 2018, which demanded the production of all documents related to the issue identified in the earlier letter;

Whereas compliance with this letter and subpoena has to date been limited to briefings and access to supporting documents, which have not been provided to all of the Members and cleared staff of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence;

Whereas the exclusion of the Members and cleared staff from access to these briefings and supporting documents amounts to non-compliance with the April 30 subpoena;

Whereas, on October 24, 2017, the Committees on the Judiciary and Oversight and Government Reform opened a joint investigation into the decisions made by the Department of Justice in 2016 and 2017 related to its handling of the investigation of the emails of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton;

Whereas, on November 3, 2017, Chairman Goodlatte, Chairman Gowdy, and four Members of Congress sent a letter to Attorney General Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein requesting 5 specific categories of documents;

Whereas, on December 12, 2017, Chairman Goodlatte, Chairman Gowdy, and other Members sent a letter emphasizing the expectation that the Department of Justice provide all requested documents as well as a privilege log;

Whereas, on February 1, 2018, Chairman Goodlatte sent a letter requesting documents related to potential Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuses;

Whereas the Department of Justice has missed document production deadlines, produced duplicative pages of information, and redacted pages to the point where they contain no probative information;

Whereas the Committee on the Judiciary issued a subpoena to Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein on March 22, 2018, which compelled him to produce, among other things(1) all documents and communications referring or relating to internal Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation management requests to review, scrub, report on, or analyze any reporting of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act collection involving, or coverage mentioning, the Trump campaign or the Trump administration;(2) all documents and communications referring or relating to defensive briefings provided by the Department of Justice or the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the 2016 presidential campaigns of Hillary Clinton or President Trump; and(3) all documents and communications referring or relating to proposed, recommended, or actual Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act coverage on the Clinton Foundation or persons associated or in communication with the Clinton Foundation; and

Whereas the Department of Justice has failed to comply with the March 22 subpoena by failing to substantially comply with the demand for the production of all of these categories of documents: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives insists that, by not later than July 6, 2018, the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

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First step against Rosenstein/DOJ.

Start at 5:00. The statement that bugs me comes near the end.

drcrinum said:

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H.Res.970 - Insisting that the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

Sponsor: Rep. Meadows, Mark [R-NC-11] (Introduced 06/27/2018)
Committees: House - Judiciary; Intelligence (Permanent Select)

Passed: 224 -- 184, 06/28/2018

Text of House Resolution 970: https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-resolution/970/text

Quote:

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H. RES. 970

Insisting that the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
June 27, 2018
Mr. Meadows (for himself, Mr. Jordan, Mr. Buck, Mr. Gaetz, Mr. Johnson of Louisiana, Mr. DeSantis, Mr. DesJarlais, Mr. Zeldin, Mr. Perry, Mr. Gosar, Mr. Brat, Mr. Duncan of South Carolina, Mr. Harris, Mr. Davidson, Mr. Biggs, Mr. Scalise, Mr. Jody B. Hice of Georgia, Mr. Norman, Mr. Mooney of West Virginia, and Mr. Griffith) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (Permanent Select), for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned

RESOLUTION
Insisting that the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

Whereas "the power of the Congress to conduct investigations is inherent in the legislative process. That power is broad. It encompasses inquiries concerning the administration of existing laws as well as proposed or possibly needed statutes [and] comprehends probes into departments of the Federal Government to expose corruption, inefficiency or waste." (Watkins v. United States (354 U.S. 178, 187));

Whereas a necessary corollary of Congress's oversight and investigative authority is the power to issue and enforce subpoenas. The "ssuance of subpoenas has long been held to be a legitimate use by Congress of its power to investigate." (Eastland v. U.S. Serviceman's Fund (421 U.S. 491, 504));

Whereas Chairman Devin Nunes of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives requested information on potential abuses of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act in a March 8, 2017, letter to the Department of Justice;

Whereas the Committee reviewed responsive documents on March 17, 2017, but thereafter the Department of Justice refused to make the documents available;

Whereas Chairman Nunes issued a subpoena on August 24, 2017, to include the documents sought on March 8, 2017;

Whereas the Department of Justice came to substantially comply with the subpoena 10 months after the subpoena and more than one year from the original request;

Whereas Chairman Nunes sought documents related to 9 current or former Department of Justice personnel in a March 23, 2018, letter;

Whereas the Department of Justice complied with the request relating to one individual on May 8, 2018, but has yet to fully comply with the other requests;

Whereas Chairman Nunes sent a letter classified "SECRET" on April 24, 2018, followed by a subpoena on April 30, 2018, which demanded the production of all documents related to the issue identified in the earlier letter;

Whereas compliance with this letter and subpoena has to date been limited to briefings and access to supporting documents, which have not been provided to all of the Members and cleared staff of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence;

Whereas the exclusion of the Members and cleared staff from access to these briefings and supporting documents amounts to non-compliance with the April 30 subpoena;

Whereas, on October 24, 2017, the Committees on the Judiciary and Oversight and Government Reform opened a joint investigation into the decisions made by the Department of Justice in 2016 and 2017 related to its handling of the investigation of the emails of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton;

Whereas, on November 3, 2017, Chairman Goodlatte, Chairman Gowdy, and four Members of Congress sent a letter to Attorney General Sessions and Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein requesting 5 specific categories of documents;

Whereas, on December 12, 2017, Chairman Goodlatte, Chairman Gowdy, and other Members sent a letter emphasizing the expectation that the Department of Justice provide all requested documents as well as a privilege log;

Whereas, on February 1, 2018, Chairman Goodlatte sent a letter requesting documents related to potential Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuses;

Whereas the Department of Justice has missed document production deadlines, produced duplicative pages of information, and redacted pages to the point where they contain no probative information;

Whereas the Committee on the Judiciary issued a subpoena to Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein on March 22, 2018, which compelled him to produce, among other things(1) all documents and communications referring or relating to internal Department of Justice or Federal Bureau of Investigation management requests to review, scrub, report on, or analyze any reporting of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act collection involving, or coverage mentioning, the Trump campaign or the Trump administration;(2) all documents and communications referring or relating to defensive briefings provided by the Department of Justice or the Federal Bureau of Investigation to the 2016 presidential campaigns of Hillary Clinton or President Trump; and(3) all documents and communications referring or relating to proposed, recommended, or actual Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act coverage on the Clinton Foundation or persons associated or in communication with the Clinton Foundation; and

Whereas the Department of Justice has failed to comply with the March 22 subpoena by failing to substantially comply with the demand for the production of all of these categories of documents: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives insists that, by not later than July 6, 2018, the Department of Justice fully comply with the requests, including subpoenas, of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence and the subpoena issued by the Committee on the Judiciary relating to potential violations of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act by personnel of the Department of Justice and related matters.

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First step against Rosenstein/DOJ.

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Interesting that 184 Representatives don't want the Executive Branch to actually be checked by the Legislative Branch...

Cnn just had a report on the hearing. When describing the "we'll stop it" text, Manu Raju said it was a text that was "critical of Trump"

Amazing

Hey fellers, why couldn't the legislature, I guess Nunes, send US Marshals to the FBI to obtain the information?

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Hey fellers, why couldn't the legislature, I guess Nunes, send US Marshals to the FBI to obtain the information?

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The Marshals Service is under the authority and direction of the Attorney General, is headed by a Director, who is assisted by a Deputy Director.

fasthorses05 said:

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Hey fellers, why couldn't the legislature, I guess Nunes, send US Marshals to the FBI to obtain the information?

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US Marshals work for the Executive Branch, not legislative.

Has Sessions recused himself from everything?!?

Sorry Roscoe, I like Hawg's answer better!!!

fasthorses05 said:

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Sorry Roscoe, I like Hawg's answer better!!!

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Y es lo mismo

Classic! BTW, I think Hugo Weaving should play Rosey in the movie that undoubtedly will come out some day.

Fox reporting John Kelly is leaving

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Classic! BTW, I think Hugo Weaving should play Rosey in the movie that undoubtedly will come out some day.

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Hugo has way too much testosterone to play Rosey

I nominate Jim Parsons

Why would anyone think Mueller had any bias, he served in Massachusetts and northern California.

Geez I don't know how RR is going to walk after the beating he took in there. The guy on his right looked like he was on th verge of crapping himself every time RR was grilled.

I know a lot of this stuff is theater to a certain extent, but it is nice to see that some of these representatives have a pair and will actually ask some uncomfortable questions to these people. Gaetz and Jordan seemed like they were on the scent from the get-go.

It was crazy to see how flustered RR got in this hearing. I could totally see him try to weasel and shout his way out of a closed-door meeting and make the threats he said he didn't make. He wins the most punchable face award for me this week.

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How do you not read everything you sign if your signature starts a criminal/counter-intelligence investigation? I guess though if the intel organizations have been doing it for a while, those forms just become another rubber stamp? Wow

Since we have another OIG FISA related report coming out I want to address somethings that have been 100% completely abused for the last 20 years likely.

50 U.S. Code 1807 - Report of electronic surveillance

(a) Annual reportIng April of each year, the Attorney General shall transmit to the Administrative Office of the United States Courts and to the congressional intelligence committees and the Committees on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and the Senate a report setting forth with respect to the preceding calendar year

• (1) the total number of applications made for orders and extensions of orders approving electronic surveillance under this subchapter;
• (2) the total number of such orders and extensions either granted, modified, or denied; and
• (3) the total number of subjects targeted by electronic surveillance conducted under an order or emergency authorization under this subchapter, rounded to the nearest 500, including the number of such individuals who are United States persons, reported to the nearest band of 500, starting with 0499.

(b) Form

Each report under subsection (a) shall be submitted in unclassified form, to the extent consistent with national security. Not later than 7 days after the date on which the Attorney General submits each such report, the Attorney General shall make the report publicly available, or, if the Attorney General determines that the report cannot be made publicly available consistent with national security, the Attorney General may make publicly available an unclassified summary of the report or a redacted version of the report.








50 U.S. Code 1846 - Congressional oversight

(a) On a semiannual basis, the Attorney General shall fully inform the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence of the House of Representatives and the Select Committee on Intelligence of the Senate, and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate, concerning all uses of pen registers and trap and trace devices pursuant to this subchapter.

(b) On a semiannual basis, the Attorney General shall also provide to the committees referred to in subsection (a) a report setting forth with respect to the preceding 6-month period

• (1) the total number of applications made for orders approving the use of pen registers or trap and trace devices under this subchapter;
• (2) the total number of such orders either granted, modified, or denied;
• (3) the total number of pen registers and trap and trace devices whose installation and use was authorized by the Attorney General on an emergency basis under section 1843 of this title, and the total number of subsequent orders approving or denying the installation and use of such pen registers and trap and trace devices;
• (4) each department or agency on behalf of which the Attorney General or a designated attorney for the Government has made an application for an order authorizing or approving the installation and use of a pen register or trap and trace device under this subchapter;
• (5) for each department or agency described in paragraph (4), each number described in paragraphs (1), (2), and (3); and
• (6) a good faith estimate of the total number of subjects who were targeted by the installation and use of a pen register or trap and trace device under an order or emergency authorization issued under this subchapter, rounded to the nearest 500, including

• (A) the number of such subjects who are United States persons, reported to the nearest band of 500, starting with 0499; and


• (B) of the number of United States persons described in subparagraph (A), the number of persons whose information acquired pursuant to such order was reviewed or accessed by a Federal officer, employee, or agent, reported to the nearest band of 500, starting with 0499.

(c) Each report under subsection (b) shall be submitted in unclassified form, to the extent consistent with national security. Not later than 7 days after the date on which the Attorney General submits such a report, the Attorney General shall make the report publicly available, or, if the Attorney General determines that the report cannot be made publicly available consistent with national security, the Attorney General may make publicly available an unclassified summary of the report or a redacted version of the report.


For the last two years we have watched this mockery of a sideshow with Senate and House committees, and the DOJ withholding documents, lying, stonewalling, kabuki theater BS. Given this law that I have sited above, how in the hell do these committees not already have access to all these things they have been asking for over and over and over again.

Point being they are suppose to be reporting to these committees without having to be asked, annually in some instances and bi-annually in other instances. They not only aren't reporting they are hiding evidense, withholding documents, and slow rolling everything. And please don't bore anyone with it's FISA and top secret, these laws I have posted above are straight out of the UNITED STATES FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE SURVEILLANCE COURT Washington, D.C. RULES OF PROCEDURE Effective November 1, 2010


http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/FISC%20Rules%20of%20Procedure.pdf

So all this grandstanding by Rosenstein and Wray is BS. They should not only be raked over the coals in committee, they should be fired for not being in compliance with the US FISC RULES OF PROCEDURE.

We will see if the House has what it takes to follow through, but I have the feeling Rosey thinks he's bullet proof and untouchable. Jordan's question to Rosey about Judge Contreras was spot on. And Rosey's arrogant reply "I'm the Deputy Attorney General" You ******* right you are and you are culpable to this entire pile of shiit you've created.

I love also how he danced around the signing and reading of the FISA application. It takes four signatures to get a FISA Warrant, the Bureau Chief, The Department head, the DNI, and the FISC Judge. When Clapper sat there and There was no FISA warrant on the Trump Campaign, and when asked if there was would you know it, he said yes. And then again said there was none, he has no defense on a perjury charge, because the DNI is required to sign off on all FISA applications. Clapper has no plausible deniability.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1012651540153237504.html

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drcrinum said:

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How do you not read everything you sign if your signature starts a criminal/counter-intelligence investigation? I guess though if the intel organizations have been doing it for a while, those forms just become another rubber stamp? Wow

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I think that exchange was incredibly damning for Rosenstein. He concluded his answer by essentially saying "Hey these people are bringing me something to approve that's already been approved before and the FBI agent is swearing it's all true. So I'll be upset if it turns out that wasn't the case!" Holy **** that's a world class copout right there.

Was Ghomert's alluding to Strzok on the Weiner laptop business a way of saying Strzok was the FBI guy on the FISA warrants and his bias and lying is already self evident?

Maybe because a grand jury is examining them?

drcrinum said:

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Maybe because a grand jury is examining them?

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Nah, I'm sure Andy told her to stop the rhetoric and do her job in a non-partisan and professional manner.

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I confess to being more weary than dizzy from the Dr. Gowdy and Mr. Trey routine. Just three weeks ago, Representative Gowdy, the South Carolina Republican who chairs the House Oversight Committee, assured us that everything was peachy with the FBI no way, no how did the bureau "spy" on the Trump campaign when it deployed an "informant" to pry information from Trump-campaign officials. As Mollie Hemingway pointed out at the time, Gowdy had not seen relevant documents the FBI and Justice Department have been withholding from Congress in fact, his spokeswoman said he did not even know what documents and records have been subpoenaed by the House Intelligence Committee (on which Gowdy also sits).


This week, Gowdy did a 180: back on the warpath, slamming the politically biased Feebs over "prejudging" the outcomes of the Clinton-emails and Trump-Russia investigations and delivering a chest-beating vow that the House would "use its full arsenal of constitutional weapons to get compliance" with its subpoenas a threat that includes holding recalcitrant FBI and DOJ officials in contempt.

Whatever. ~ Andrew McCarthy

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