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His lawyer was with him in his second interview with the FBI in February of 2017. While it certainly seems he was misled about what his agreement was, informant doesn't make sense. What is the point of getting a conviction from an informant for lies about contacts with other informants?

Reading his indictment with the hindsight of knowing "the professor" was an informant and the "female Russian national" was working with "the professor" really makes my blood boil that this kid is having this done to him. I hope the karma of this bites the perpetrators in the ass hard.

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It does sound very fishy but I look at it this way. Papadop was cooperating under the Comey regime and was given some type of assurances but then Mueller was appointed in May 2017 and the rules suddenly changed on him.

Hence his surprise and dismay

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It does sound very fishy but I look at it this way. Papadop was cooperating under the Comey regime and was given some type of assurances but then Mueller was appointed in May 2017 and the rules suddenly changed on him.

Hence his surprise and dismay

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So, an after-the-fact informant? He thought he was a cooperating witness and everything was going fine, then Mueller replaced Comey, Mueller knew (from Strzok*) that they didn't have anything on Trump and he decided to grab a scalp (or apply pressure)?

*Strzok led Crossfire Hurricane. His text to Page when the SC was announced said he had no interest because there was nothing there.

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So, an after-the-fact informant? He thought he was a cooperating witness and everything was going fine, then Mueller replaced Comey, Mueller knew (from Strzok*) that they didn't have anything on Trump and he decided to grab a scalp (or apply pressure)?

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Essentially, yes. That is the scenario I'm suggesting. Not that Papadop was sent into the Carson campaign and then the Trump campaign as a paid informant. Useful idiot for the early part in 2016 using him as a hook for opening Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (Supposedly, according to the FBI.) So Papadop cooperated in the counter-intel probe and likely thought he was fine because of the cooperation. Just like Manafort did.

But when Mueller was appointed, everything changed. He criminalized the counter-intel probe and all bets were off.

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So, an after-the-fact informant? He thought he was a cooperating witness and everything was going fine, then Mueller replaced Comey, Mueller knew (from Strzok*) that they didn't have anything on Trump and he decided to grab a scalp (or apply pressure)?

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Essentially, yes. That is the scenario I'm suggesting. Not that Papadop was sent into the Carson campaign and then the Trump campaign as a paid informant. Useful idiot for the early part in 2016 using him as a hook for opening Crossfire Hurricane in July 2016. (Supposedly, according to the FBI.) So Papadop cooperated in the counter-intel probe and likely thought he was fine because of the cooperation. Just like Manafort did.

But when Mueller was appointed, everything changed. He criminalized the counter-intel probe and all bets were off.

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Good thing he just happened to run into Professor Halper, nothing suspicious about that meeting at all.

That's the thing about useful idiots. Easily duped into being dopes.

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That's the thing about useful idiots. Easily duped into being dopes.

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lol, no doubt. How the hell does the timing of him meeting Halper not destroy the Russian collusion narrative?

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So can an NDA be enforced for reporting illegal activity? For whistleblowing?

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Why should it?! It can't even be enforced for a porn star, apparently.

WTH is that?

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/394036-How-Comey-intervened-to-kill-Wikileaks-immunity-deal

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How Comey intervened to kill WikiLeaks' immunity deal

One of the more devastating intelligence leaks in American history the unmasking of the CIA's arsenal of cyber warfare weapons last year has an untold prelude worthy of a spy novel.

Some of the characters are household names, thanks to the Russia scandal: James Comey, fired FBI director. Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Department of Justice (DOJ) official Bruce Ohr. Julian Assange, grand master of WikiLeaks. And American attorney Adam Waldman, who has a Forrest Gump-like penchant for showing up in major cases of intrigue.

Each played a role in the early days of the Trump administration to try to get Assange to agree to "risk mitigation" -- essentially, limiting some classified CIA information he might release in the future.

The effort resulted in the drafting of a limited immunity deal that might have temporarily freed the WikiLeaks founder from a London embassy where he has been exiled for years, according to interviews and a trove of internal DOJ documents turned over to Senate investigators.

But an unexpected intervention by Comey -- relayed through Warner -- soured the negotiations, multiple sources tell me. Assange eventually unleashed a series of leaks that U.S. officials say damaged their cyber warfare capabilities for a long time to come....

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OMG!!! You have to read this -- all the details. There is far more to the Warner-Waldman text messages than we knew. Amnesty/safe passage for Assange in exchange for info on the DNC hack & how Wikileaks released its classified info. BUT Comey scuttled the whole deal -- gave a STAND DOWN ORDER! You have to read this!

Edit: More to come. The implications of this are staggering.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5884769/Mueller-examining-billionaire-Blackwater-founder-Erik-Princes-phones-computers.html

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Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater and president's secretary of education's brother, is in the special counsel's cross-hairs.

Prince has repeatedly denied that he attempted to set up a back channel with Russia prior to Donald Trump assuming office. He says he was in the Seychelles last January on personal business.

Robert Mueller is interested nonetheless in reviewing Prince's communications and seized his phones and computers, as ABC News reports.

Prince has pledged his full cooperation with Department of Justice's probe.

'[H]e has spoken voluntarily with Congress and also cooperated completely with the Special Counsel's investigation, including by providing them total access to his phones and computer,' a spokesperson for Prince told DailyMail.com.

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Mueller and his team are looking into allegations of collusion between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Kremlin. Their digging has extended to the period after the November election before Trump's inauguration.

The probe has already ensnared several of the president's former associates, including Michael Flynn, who was briefly the national security adviser. Flynn's business dealings prior to his work under Trump is what is now under scrutiny.

Flynn initially attracted the attention of the Department of Justice, though, over conversations he had during the transition with the former Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, allegedly about a reduction in U.S. sanctions.

With Barack Obama still in office, that type of offering would have been forbidden.

Prince is similarly being reviewed in connection to a conversation he had with a Russian tied to Vladimir Putin in January in the Seychelles.

The found of the military contracting giant Blackwater, which later changed its name to Xe, told congressional investigators that wasn't why he made the trip.

His conversation with Kirill Dmitriev, he says, took place 'over a beer' and was a chance encounter.

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WTF is this? How is this tied to Russia and Trump? This seems like 6 degrees of separation of Trump.

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WTH is that?

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DOJ response to Nunes request for documents

Basically they aren't producing anything other than what they want to and giving him the finger.

Time for Trump to intervene, damn what the political fallout would be with the left

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5884769/Mueller-examining-billionaire-Blackwater-founder-Erik-Princes-phones-computers.html

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Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater and president's secretary of education's brother, is in the special counsel's cross-hairs.

Prince has repeatedly denied that he attempted to set up a back channel with Russia prior to Donald Trump assuming office. He says he was in the Seychelles last January on personal business.

Robert Mueller is interested nonetheless in reviewing Prince's communications and seized his phones and computers, as ABC News reports.

Prince has pledged his full cooperation with Department of Justice's probe.

'[H]e has spoken voluntarily with Congress and also cooperated completely with the Special Counsel's investigation, including by providing them total access to his phones and computer,' a spokesperson for Prince told DailyMail.com.

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Mueller and his team are looking into allegations of collusion between Donald Trump's presidential campaign and the Kremlin. Their digging has extended to the period after the November election before Trump's inauguration.

The probe has already ensnared several of the president's former associates, including Michael Flynn, who was briefly the national security adviser. Flynn's business dealings prior to his work under Trump is what is now under scrutiny.

Flynn initially attracted the attention of the Department of Justice, though, over conversations he had during the transition with the former Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey Kislyak, allegedly about a reduction in U.S. sanctions.

With Barack Obama still in office, that type of offering would have been forbidden.

Prince is similarly being reviewed in connection to a conversation he had with a Russian tied to Vladimir Putin in January in the Seychelles.

The found of the military contracting giant Blackwater, which later changed its name to Xe, told congressional investigators that wasn't why he made the trip.

His conversation with Kirill Dmitriev, he says, took place 'over a beer' and was a chance encounter.

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WTF is this? How is this tied to Russia and Trump? This seems like 6 degrees of separation of Trump.

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Didn't this get brought up months ago? Seems like the left likes to recycle stories.

I'm not sure, but I just saw it and I wanted the people that know WAY more than me to see it.

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WTF is this? How is this tied to Russia and Trump? This seems like 6 degrees of separation of Trump.

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Didn't this get brought up months ago? Seems like the left likes to recycle stories.

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Yes and yes.

That said, the entire "back channel" was after the election so it has noting to do with Mulehead except he's looking for another process crime.

Thanks bud

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DOJ response to Nunes request for documents

Basically they aren't producing anything other than what they want to and giving him the finger.

Time for Trump to intervene, damn what the political fallout would be with the left

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We're ever so near the tipping point.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1011394185444945921.html

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And now we know *why* James @Comey killed any deal with @JulianAssange - because assange was going to prove the Russia DNC hack & election hack claim was a lie, & Comey knew it. It endangered his ILLEGAL COIN investigation of @realDonaldTrump

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To be clear: the moment @JulianAssange gave the technical data, the same data NSA analyst Bill Binney talked about at length, it would have proven that @Comey ILLEGAL COIN investigation of @realDonaldTrump was predicated on a Lie invented by FBI & DNC & Hillary Campaign.


It would also have exposed that the goal wasn't to investigate Russian acts but to frame @realDonaldTrump & questions about the fraudulent FISA warrants that came later & the spies FBI embedded in @realDonaldTrump campaign 9 months before investigation was opened.

If t@JulianAssange deal went through, it would have led to big questions about why there even was COIN investigation opened by @comey (it was a coup & people would see that) & immediately recognize why he hid it fR congressional oversight for NINE MONTHS in violation of fed law.

Maybe someone should reach out to @JusticeOIG and ask if he knows about all this on top of the criminal investigations of @comey that are already ongoing? Perhaps @realDonaldTrump can make a cllnand ask if he can review these facts as well.

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COIN = counterintelligence investigation

This is the importance of the Solomon article revealing all the details of the Assange negotiations.
Comey had to stop this from happening -- it would have exposed the whole plot. Comey = traitor.
Now you understand why Warner opened his mouth about things only he & Mueller knew last night. If you read the article, Warner was knee deep in the negotiations via Waldman. I wonder if Nunes was aware of this, or even Trump for that matter.

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WTF is this? How is this tied to Russia and Trump? This seems like 6 degrees of separation of Trump.

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Didn't this get brought up months ago? Seems like the left likes to recycle stories.

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Yes and yes.

That said, the entire "back channel" was after the election so it has noting to do with Mulehead except he's looking for another process crime.

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This whole "backchannel" setup after the election is incongruous with the whole Russia collusion narrative. If the premise of Russia collusion had legs, why the hell would a backchannel need to be set up AFTER the election? Common sense says that folks are grasping for straws.

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WTF is this? How is this tied to Russia and Trump? This seems like 6 degrees of separation of Trump.

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Didn't this get brought up months ago? Seems like the left likes to recycle stories.

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Yes and yes.

That said, the entire "back channel" was after the election so it has noting to do with Mulehead except he's looking for another process crime.

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This whole "backchannel" setup after the election is incongruous with the whole Russia collusion narrative. If the premise of Russia collusion had legs, why the hell would a backchannel need to be set up AFTER the election? Common sense says that folks are grasping for straws.

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Thank you Mr. Logic!

It is unfortunate that few humans have the
capacity for such understanding.

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So I take it that basically the DOJ answers to no one? I mean how else do you interpret it?

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The day they held Eric Holder in contempt and he thumbed his nose at them, they were castrated at that point. They're going to have to work harder, like Judicial Watch does, they fight with the courts and force the issue. Until POTUS steps up and forces DOJ to act, by all appearances they are SOL. Even though most would say the constitution says otherwise. Problem is it's a gray area that's not really been approached much. Congress is powerful as a group, but to go after the DOJ is going to take the majority to do so. A handful of committee members are just a barking dog. These days congress can't get together to pass simple legislation, much less go after the AG or DAG and the DOJ as a whole, and Rosenstein knows this. Until congress grows a spine and starts working as a whole body, it's an empty wagon on a cobblestone street. The House Republicans can't get together and agree amongst themselves, much less fight back against the executive. I promise you if the Democrats held the majorities enough to do something they would be in lock step. Swampy business

Finch has compiled somethings based on John Solomon's research.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1011416653140316161.html

Pretty sure Mark Warner just put himself on the clock with his little drunken blathering. Isn't that what got Papadopoulos? Time to get him under surveillance. Get Hannity to write some oppo-research garbage up on him and allow get Mark Levin to put together a dossier on him.

This is what is considered acceptable by the left, let's see how they like it.

But seriously Warner is on the clock now. He wanted into the fray on the big stage, welcome aboard you ruddy faced snake.

Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs on Monday introduced a measure that would censure Rep. Maxine Waters and ask her to resign for inciting people to publicly confront Trump administration officials.

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"So we just introduced it, we have some cosponsors, but what she did was to basically incite people to come after and attack members of the president's cabinet," the Arizona Republican told The Hill. "And also spread that out to more people."

"Everybody agrees that it was just highly objectionable what she did," he added.

The measure calls on Waters to apologize to Trump administration officials "for endangering their lives and sowing seeds of discord," to release a statement making it clear that violence and harassment aren't appropriate ways to protest, and finally to resign her House seat.

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I'm sure Madame Tussaud's will be thrilled to get back the wigs to finish out the James Brown exhibit.

It's 85 pages , guess we will see the response to this soon, Team Mueller has been getting their brains beat out mostly, your move Bobby, or he may have already made it kicking it to Jessie K. Liu

Eric Dubelier has been impressive and the way he handed their asses to team Mueller was fun to watch





https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4558273/Dismiss-Case.pdf

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Set/Reset Deadlines as to CONCORD MANAGEMENT AND CONSULTING LLC: Brief not to exceed ten pages regarding areas of disagreement about the proposed protective order due by 6/26/2018 at 5pm. (jl) (Entered: 06/26/2018)

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Napolitano just called Mark Warner honorable...... Nap is officially a sock puppet

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He went off the rails a while ago.

Funny how he was very critical of the entire Mueller witch hunt, and then all of a sudden, turned into its biggest defender.