Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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But I suspect and I'll bet Dixie does as well, that there were other FISA warrants that we have yet to hear about. I think they had one on Manafort as well. Perhaps more.
Just think about that. If they had a FISA warrant on Manfort starting sometime in 2016 and still couldn't find any collusion??

Fusion's Simpson and his wife had a grudge against Manafort going back several years. They could have provided the "facts" to support such an application, alleging Manafort was an agent for a foreign power.

Not to put too fine a point on it, half of K Street are unregistered lobbyists for foreign powers. A couple of 702 queries could find such "evidence."
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aggiehawg said:

richardag said:

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How about the whole enchilada of all of Hillary's email, including the Blackberry ones being on the Weiner lap top?
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Does this laptop still exist or has it been lost, destroyed or compromised? Don't know.

Wouldn't OIG have complete access to the laptop's contents? Would need a search warrant and that requires DOJ to act.

At this point I have no faith that the laptop and all the emails have been preserved for any legal proceedings. Never know. Could be sitting in an evidence warehouse somewhere.


Thank you you for the reply.
One can hope the emails are preserved, but my gut says they have at minimum been compromised. Hope I am wrong.
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richardag said:

aggiehawg said:

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How about the whole enchilada of all of Hillary's email, including the Blackberry ones being on the Weiner lap top?
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Does this laptop still exist or has it been lost, destroyed or compromised?

Wouldn't OIG have complete access to the laptop's contents?

At this point I have no faith that the laptop and all the emails have been preserved for any legal proceedings.


The laptop was "stolen from an agent's car" right?

I think the FBI NY had to have made copies. They were extremely pissed about what they found not being pursued.
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marble rye said:

richardag said:

aggiehawg said:

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How about the whole enchilada of all of Hillary's email, including the Blackberry ones being on the Weiner lap top?
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Does this laptop still exist or has it been lost, destroyed or compromised?

Wouldn't OIG have complete access to the laptop's contents?

At this point I have no faith that the laptop and all the emails have been preserved for any legal proceedings.


The laptop was "stolen from an agent's car" right?

I think the FBI NY had to have made copies. They were extremely pissed about what they found not being pursued.
Problem was the classified material. Not all of the agents were cleared to see that stuff. Why they were waiting for DC to come and take the hard drive.
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I'm wrong. It was another laptop used by one of Hillary's aids that was stolen.

It was also NYPD that said to FBI that they better go public and indictments be made from what they found.

Then Lynch told NYPD they would come after them and ruin then all using the Eric Garner case.
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aggiehawg said:


Not to put too fine a point on it, half of K Street are unregistered lobbyists for foreign powers. A couple of 702 queries could find such "evidence."


Yep. No doubt about this.
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policywonk98 said:

aggiehawg said:


Not to put too fine a point on it, half of K Street are unregistered lobbyists for foreign powers. A couple of 702 queries could find such "evidence."


Yep. No doubt about this.
Grassley has been on the enforcing FARA train for a long time. Yet the only big "get" has been Manafort.

I would expect that Manafort's lawyers will somehow use that at his trial and that is what Mueller is trying to suppress.
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Rapier108 said:



Why wait? Sentence him now.
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Pop is simply guilty of lying, right? Anything else?
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pedro_martinez said:

Rapier108 said:



Why wait? Sentence him now.
Get it close to the mid-terms to be campaign fodder.
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Oh they knew


Good find and even more funny. Baker: "We had no choice at that point, Rudy still ran the SDNY underground."
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My thoughts are for Trump to wait for this next IG release (which reviews the FISA topic and goes directly at the questions of Russia Russia Russia, FBI and DOJ abuse and collusion, fake evidence, etc.), before Trump considers intervening to declassify the evidence and make it available to Congress and hopefully the public.
This next release is going straight to the heart of "The Witch-hunt". It's going to be much juicier and damning.

A little more patience. It's not yet quite time to go full-out on offense and fire at will.
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ccatag said:

My thoughts are for Trump to wait for this next IG release (which reviews the FISA topic and goes directly at the questions of Russia Russia Russia, FBI and DOJ abuse and collusion, fake evidence, etc.), before Trump considers intervening to declassify the evidence and make it available to Congress and hopefully the public.

This next release is going straight to the heart of "The Witch-hunt". It's going to be much juicier and damning.

A little more patience. It's not yet quite time to go full-out on offense and fire at will.
Trump can sit in the peanut gallery and tweet all the cat-calls and horse-laughs he wants until mid-September. Thereafter (regardless of next IG release status), he should go nuclear with doc release EO. If Mueller preempts, go nuclear the same day. This means that no later than mid-August Trump should order DOJ to deliver all requested unredacted docs to the WH for an executive national security review.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1010639047469993984.html

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/4555149-FBI-Letter-to-House-Intel-Chairman-Devin-Nunes-6.html


The FBI is apparently making an effort to retrieve the documents requested by various Congressional committees. Two letters were sent by the FBI. This threadreader & link cover one of these letters. I'll post the other letter next.
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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/06/23/curious-releases-fbi-provides-initial-compulsory-documents-to-house-oversight-amid-ongoing-impeachment-threats/

https://www.scribd.com/document/382417850/FBI-Response-Letter-to-Judiciary-Chairmen-Bob-Goodlatte-6-22-18?ad_group=725X700959X08ea62beb6b81141b5990bc67e84fcd0&campaign=SkimbitLtd&keyword=660149026&medium=affiliate&source=hp_affiliate

Both letters are discussed in this post by TCTH, but the second letter linked above is discussed in more detail. You can read for yourself. TCTH wrote the following concluding statement:

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...It appears to us, the current DOJ/FBI leadership is still attempting to protect the institutions by covering up the conduct of Lynch/Yates and Comey/McCabe. The career administrative officials, under and surrounding the leadership offices, are controlling the actual documents and evidence.

The following tweet was also included:




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I'm not buying half this BS. And I hope the committees stay on top of this regardless. We the people haven't seen a tenth of what's really going on.

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"Our efforts have resulted in the committees finally getting access to information that was sought months ago, but some important requests remain to be completed," Strong said in a statement Saturday. "Additional time has been requested for the outstanding items, and based on our understanding of the process we believe that request is reasonable. We expect the department to meet its full obligations to the two committees."
These efforts by the Justice Department over the last week to deliver documents to the House Republicans are just a feeble attempt to temporarily diffused a months long standoff with Congress. Of course the Democrats have criticized the multiple document requests, charging that they are intended to discredit the department and distract from or even undermine special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into the Trump campaign's Russia ties and whether there was obstruction of justice. Which is nothing but BS partisan fodder.

What they are requesting is just fluff. They have yet to produce the unredacted EC, a key document in the chain of events and a hinge on which a lot of this crap teeters on. They have been sitting on the request for this for months, in fact most if not all of these requests they claim to have just fulfilled are months old, in some cases a year.

The letters also say that the FBI is also working to address a request about "proposed, recommended or actual" surveillance on the Clinton Foundation. Tyson said the department was responding in a separate, classified letter, and that the request had proven "difficult to address." She said the department hoped to talk to lawmakers further about it.

See this is an interesting response. First because of the subject, i.e. the Clinton Foundation. We know there is an open investigation going on with the CF, is that what makes it "difficult to address" or is it embarrassing as hell? how much of a botched investigation they were doing the first time. And is it the memos and emails from higher ups trying to tamp down the truth leading up to the investigation? Lynch's email to Amanda Renteria that "she would not let the FBI investigation into Clinton go too far". And if you remember Lynch denied allegations that she assured a Hillary Clinton campaign staffer that the FBI investigation into Clinton's email server wouldn't "go too far," under oath before the Senate Judiciary committee, which Grassley said to her face he believed otherwise. However when the email was produced that she sent using her pseudonym Elizabeth Carlisle, she's refused to address the subject again, and then Amanda Renteria tried to say Russians jacked her email. Problem with that is, Renteria didn't originate that email, Elizabeth Carlisle (Lynch) did. And this was not some Gmail account, elizabeth.carlisle@usdoj.gov wasn't hacked. No she wrote the email and thanks to Kenneth Whittle it came to light.





In the letter from the Office of Informational Policy, you can see that she picked the pseudonym May 4, 2015, one week after she was sworn in as AG. Lynch used this email account to conduct official Department business throughout her tenure as AG. This is deliberate tradecraft to avoid FOIA. My question is this, how is this not a crime, a direct violation of the spirit of the FOIA law. The administration that vowed from day one to be the most transparent administration ever, was anything but transparent.
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Rosenstein wants war? Really?
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All of these pseudonyms for email makes me ill. They were actively working to get around FOIA, is this something that the Bush admin was doing before? Did it start with Obama, Clinton? Where did this practice originate? And is, was it, actually legal b/c the intent is obviously to circumvent/break the law.
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RoscoePColtrane said:


In the letter from the Office of Informational Policy, you can see that she picked the pseudonym May 4, 2015, one week after she was sworn in as AG. Lynch used this email account to conduct official Department business throughout her tenure as AG. This is deliberate tradecraft to avoid FOIA. My question is this, how is this not a crime, a direct violation of the spirit of the FOIA law. The administration that vowed from day one to be the most transparent administration ever, was anything but transparent.
That's why they said that. It plants the seed of doubt in the inevitable investigations that we're finally seeing.
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aggiehawg said:

Rosenstein wants war? Really?
It really comes off that way doesn't it. And I believe every bit of the accusation that Rosey threatened a staffer with the strong arm of the DOJ. Their story changed three times in a matter of hours on that subject. The DOJ's first response was the conversation never happened, then when the numerous people involved started sounding like they were coming forward, the DOJ's response was, Rosey was responding to the threat of contempt of congress, and it was misinterpreted, then the last version was Rosey was responding to a threat and had every reason to do so.

Another interesting thing in the letter was the DOJ made the "Woods File" available for viewing. I know you know what that is, but for those that don't, the "Woods File" is basically the checklist of criteria that has to be met, for a FISA warrant to be issue. The FBI is suppose to require field offices to confirm they've verified the accuracy of facts presented to the FISA court through the case agent, then the field office's Chief Division Counsel and the Special Agent in Charge. Since this was run out of main Bureau, that would be likely maybe Bill Priestap as the Case Agent, Chief Counsel would be Lisa Page. And Special Agent in Charge would be Peter Struck.

There's a damn good reason Woods Procedures exist in the first place. They aren't some arcane rules that could have been overlooked or misunderstood by the high-ranking and seasoned professionals working under the Obama and Trump administrations who touched the four Carter Page wiretap applications and renewals. And unless they've secretly been lifted or amended, Woods Procedures aren't discretionary whatsoever, there is no subjective decision making, when it comes to meeting the required criteria. SO that Dossier is going to be the bane of some people existence, because everyone knows it wasn't verified for accuracy, and to this day, no one has been able too. This is going to be a very key point in this next report.

The failure to turn over the unredacted EC is very telling on my book. I think it implodes the entire Russia investigation and the appointment of Mueller. Way too many "informants" or "human sources" or whatever you want to call them. Especially the ones that we are finding out, that were probing was before the EC was even issued.

Meadows definitely isn't buying their BS and says the letter are BS.

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The DOJ's IG report released by Inspector General Horowitz contains an entire Appendix (No. 2) that was totally redacted from the report. It was labeled "Law Enforcement Sensitive". It's now being reported that the Appendix contains damaging information on the Obama Administration's former AG Loretta Lynch.

Although it was not reported, IG Horowitz's report on "A Review of Various Actions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice in Advance of the 2016 Election" contained two Appendices and the second Appendix was totally redacted and left out of the report.



Just a reminder...neither Congress nor the public has seen Appendix Two, the one which reputedly contains the intercepted Russian document exposing Lynch communicating with Renteria about exonerating HRC.








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Maria has Goodlatte on at 9am today. Might be interesting regarding the status of the document release to his committee.
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Nice to know that our government has been full of organized criminals intent on defrauding and ruining our country.
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pedro_martinez said:

Nice to know that our government has been full of organized criminals intent on defeauding and ruining our country.


That is my default working assumption.
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...The DOJ's IG report released by Inspector General Horowitz contains an entire Appendix (No. 2) that was totally redacted from the report. It was labeled "Law Enforcement Sensitive". It's now being reported that the Appendix contains damaging information on the Obama Administration's former AG Loretta Lynch.

Although it was not reported, IG Horowitz's report on "A Review of Various Actions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice in Advance of the 2016 Election" contained two Appendices and the second Appendix was totally redacted and left out of the report.
Just a reminder...neither Congress nor the public has seen Appendix Two, the one which reputedly contains the intercepted Russian document exposing Lynch communicating with Renteria about exonerating HRC.
Paging Donald Trump .... 327 million Americans holding on line 2.
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I am so tired of the games that are being played by DOJ and the FBI. Who has the info? DOJ has, no wait the FBI does, no wait DNI Coates has it.

There is no reason why Congresscritters and Senators with the required security clearance cannot see the EC that started Crossfire Hurricane in a SCIF if it is so damned Top Secret.

If the concern here is that the reputation of the FBI and DOJ will be sullied it can't be anymore sullied than it is right now. Rip the bandaid off instead of pulling it off hair by hair.

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aggiehawg said:

I am so tired of the games that are being played by DOJ and the FBI. Who has the info? DOJ has, no wait the FBI does, no wait DNI Coates has it.

There is no reason why Congresscritters and Senators with the required security clearance cannot see the EC that started Crossfire Hurricane in a SCIF if it is so damned Top Secret.

If the concern here is that the reputation of the FBI and DOJ will be sullied it can't be anymore sullied than it is right now. Rip the bandaid off instead of pulling it off hair by hair.


How dare you bring reason and logic into a political situation!

Honestly, there's got to be more to this situation, meaning political, or political strategy, than what the unwashed know. Candidly, due to this thread, we know way more than most, so imagine what the other "common folk" think they know.

No, this post isn't terribly revealing, but it's just an observation on the actions of SOME Republicans. It's got to be something other than fear, and the lack of a spine.
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Honestly, there's got to be more to this situation, meaning political, or political strategy, than what the unwashed know. Candidly, due to this thread, we know way more than most, so imagine what the other "common folk" think they know.

No, this post isn't terribly revealing, but it's just an observation on the actions of SOME Republicans. It's got to be something other than fear, and the lack of a spine.
Which in and of itself is galling. Like we are too stupid to understand what is going on or will melt like snowflakes if we learn the truth. (Cue Colonel Jessup.)

Yes, the American people can handle the truth. But what pisses us off is the hiding of the truth and the implication is that it is being done for the good of the country somehow.
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aggiehawg said:

I am so tired of the games that are being played by DOJ and the FBI. Who has the info? DOJ has, no wait the FBI does, no wait DNI Coates has it.

There is no reason why Congresscritters and Senators with the required security clearance cannot see the EC that started Crossfire Hurricane in a SCIF if it is so damned Top Secret.

If the concern here is that the reputation of the FBI and DOJ will be sullied it can't be anymore sullied than it is right now. Rip the bandaid off instead of pulling it off hair by hair.


Last weekend we had Nunes and Gowdy claiming that if they didn't get ALL the documents they wanted early in the week, that impeachment proceedings for I assume RR would begin on Wednesday morning.

I had a busy week, but I must have missed the news that one of those two things happened last week? Would be delighted to be proven wrong.

When are heads going to roll? The FBI/DOJ is just giving Congress a big "nanny nanny boo boo". I can't believe they have let it go on this long.
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John Ratcliffe weighs in

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Just out of curiosity, and assuming they begin proceedings this week (contempt, impeachment, etc.), would they include Sessions? I ask because how could they if he's recused himself. I'm all for going after Rosey, and whoever his acolytes are in the department.

Normally, I would say you've got to go after the man responsible for the department, which is Sessions, but why would they do that since he's recused? I believe Sessions is an outstandingly good man, but has zero political instincts.

Incidentally, I do believe they'll act this week. If they can get Ryan on board (big if), then Nunes, Meadows, et al; will happily start.
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