Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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drcrinum said:

RoscoePColtrane said:

I take a lot of what this guy puts out with a grain of salt, but in 10 years he's never published phony documents that anyone can prove otherwise, but he made this thread two months ago.


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/976943588394323973.html






You scooped me again. There are some interesting details in Assange's tweetthread. He makes it sound like the UK government might have had a direct hand in the scheming....and perhaps they did. If Hannigan was communicating directly with & visiting with Brennan, you know the UK government heads had to be appraised of what was going on. And it's very interesting that it wasn't long after this tweetthread that Assange was isolated electronically. Coincidence? Hah! The UK restricts certain civil liberties that we enjoy in the US.

If you think about it, there were high ranking UK officials who despised Trump because of Brexit and his relationship with Nigel Farage, the latter endorsing Trump in May 2016 and attending the Republican Convention. We now know there were a host of Brits involved in the scheme, including influential intel people like Richard Dearlove & Robert Hannigan, not to mention Ambassador Downer, and there was that sudden, unexpected resignation of Hannigan several days after Trump's inauguration. And since Trump's inauguration, Theresa May has always been very 'cool' regarding her relationship with Trump. I'm suspicious there is more to the story.
As my wife is fond of saying, "The plot and Gumbo are thickening".

I'm betting on her Gumbo going first...


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Start your own thread.
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Then feel free to leave.
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RoscoePColtrane said:


The issue with Reid's letter to Comey, based upon Brennan's briefing, was the disclosure that Page had traveled to Moscow (in July). Everyone assumed that this info on Page had come via the dossier -- appeared on Page 9, dated 19 July 2016, of the dossier -- indicating that Brennan had access to the dossier in August 2016 for his briefings. Now we know that Halper had interviewed Page at a symposium in Cambridge (July 11-12) several days after Page's presentation in Moscow, and that Dearlove was also present at the symposium and was a friend of Halper. So did Halper (or Dearlove) pass the info on Page to Brennan? If Halper was communicating with Brennan, that would imply he was a CIA source rather than a FBI source (could be both).

Incidentally, if you would like to watch Page's presentation in Moscow in July 2016:


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I'm several pages behind, but for reference Cruz got $250K advance for his book deal. (Compared to HRC's $15M and O's $65M)
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BMX Bandit said:

Good work by Mueller


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aggiehawg said:

Fido04 said:

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Mueller's perp walk


You are getting a bit carried away.
Judge Sullivan's Brady Orders carry a criminal contempt warning. That means arrest. And the fact that Mueller never signed any of the official letters, pleadings, nor anything else coming out of his office does not give him a get-out-jail-free card. All pleadings were filed under his name, even if he didn't sign them.

So if the second FBI Special Agent says the 302s were altered, Mueller knew that. Peter Strzok, the guy who altered them was on his team. Then Mueller removed him in August, 2017. The Flynn plea deal on an information, not a grand jury indictment occurred months later.

Mueller knew he didn't have enough to get a grand jury to indict Flynn. So he by-passed that by charging Flynn himself. Just to try to get Flynn to turn on Trump.

And you know what? Those Machiavellian tactics might have worked, except he chose the wrong guys to exert pressure on...Flynn who was completely innocent and Manafort, who fights fire with fire.

I prey they perp walk Mueller but they better do a fantastic job of explaining it to the laypeople WHY they're doing it because you can bet your ass the media will spin it as Trump exacting revenge and all the sheeple will lap it up.
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I don't know how credible this is, but there are potentially major pearls dropped here. Quick summary:

1) Stefan Halper spoke with 3 Trump Campaign related people. We've know about two, Page & Papadopoulos, but the third has never been revealed. Posobiec says the third one was Michael Cohen, Trumps lawyer.

2) Halper, affiliated with Hakluyt, was performing 'source validation' for the CIA on the three Trump Campaign people. Except the Hakluyt players, Halper, Mifsud, & Downer were setting up the 'sources' and then validating themselves. Posobiec is a close friend of Roger Stone: Stone worked with Halper during the Reagan Administration, and Stone claims that Halper was a dirty trickster, tied to CIA operatives used during the Bush Campaign. (We know Halper was involved in some activities directed against Jimmy Carter per Jeff Carlson's article.)

3) Another Hakluyt player, Louis Susman, former US Ambassador to the UK, was a major fundraiser for Kerry during his run for the Presidency. The State Department under Obama, while Kerry was SOS, had a back channel to Susman & Hakluyt that was in operation during the scheme period. Nunes is investigating the State Department for this very reason.

4) Nunes has seen documents but can't comment or act since they are classified. There are Obama/Comey holdovers who are advising Trump not to declassify the documents that Nunes & other Committees want.

5) At the center of the web is Rosenstein, now that Comey is gone. If the classified documents are revealed, Rosenstein will be ....

Listen for yourself. About 14 minutes. I'm sure I missed some things, but it's late and I have an early day tomorrow.

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I see that the weatherman showed up again. Forum 16 is great because of the great conservative people that post here. This thread might be the best example of all time.

If a liberal wants to post something with substance here to dispute the overwhelming mountain of evidence against the corruption from the Clinton/Obama coup then we might listen.

Stop picking around the edges.
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OneNightW said:

BMX Bandit said:

Good work by Mueller





Creeper: What was I referring to?
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How about the dude on the Q thread that says Meuller May have been "flipped" to the Trump side long ago and this is all a media / diversion to extract time so that the DOJ / FBI / NSA can be cleaned before all the real indictments are coming out. Either way, Horowitz and Sessions are controlling this show, If Meuller was in fact "flipped" a long time ago, this diversion is helping keep the real criminals At bay for a while. Some crazy stuff going on in our country, we had some real losers doing a lot of shady stuff.

Wonder how much Kerry, Obummer, and Hildabeast got in kick backs from Iran? They have a big big web of people in that cluster F it they all took kick backs.. TREASON
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There is something we are missing here and it's right before our eyes and just have been over looking it or at least I have, and maybe I missed it being mentioned before. This whole farce about the Counter Intelligence being started against Trump being kicked off in April 2016 with the Papadopoulos meeting with Downer is total crap. If you go back and sift through the mountain of paperwork we have compiled on this case you come across this.





https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/NSA_IG_Report_1_7_16_ST-15-0002.pdf

This is the OIG report that was put together by NSA Inspector General Ellard. Now this report was triggered due to an unusual elevated amount of 704/705b target unmasking queries of 702 surveillance, by the DOJ starting back in June 2015. Now Horowitz could not look into this because Hrpwitz had been chopped off at the knees from the National Security arm of the DOJ by Sally Yates. So Ellard started monitoring it from the NSA OIG office, that Sally Yates no control over. Ellard puts together this report show an enormous amount of non-compliances on 704/705b unmasking queries on 702 surveillance data bases going back to June 2015. This report was submitted to Admiral Rogers in January 2016, and it spurred him to pull a full audit of FISA queries especially the 702 upstream "About" queries in April 2016 after he shut down all outside contractor access to the 702 data base.

Now the DOJ became aware that they were being looked at by the NSA audit, and the National Security Division Head John Carlin filed the DOJs intent to get back in compliance report to the FISC, which was basically a report saying we realize we messed up and we are sorry and we intend to get our act together shame on us, on September 26, 2016 and then promptly announced his resignation the next day to be effective October 15th 2016. That's very fishy in itself.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/icotr/51117/2016_Certification_Cover_Filing_Sep_26_2016_part_1_and_2_-merged.pdf

Evidently Carlin knew what was going on and new it was going to get worse and got out while the getting was good. October 4th 2016 they had a follow up hearing on the DOJ 702 compliance proposal he filed the week earlier and Carlin was outta there a week later. October 20 2016, Rogers was briefed by the NSA compliance officer on findings from the 702 NSA compliance audit. The audit had uncovered numerous query violations. October 21, 2016, Rogers shut down all 704/705b query activity, not just contractors but everybody, and reported his findings to the DOJ head, Loretta Lynch.

Is it just a coincidence that on October 21 2016, the DOJ/FBI seek and receive a title 1 FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISA Court? Hell no it wasn't because the FISA Court wasn't aware of the 702 query violations going on because Rogers didn't brief them until October 24 2016. So that morning on the 21st Rogers informs Lynch that he knows they are violating the 702 protocols and that afternoon they push through the title 1 warrant on Page. So the warrant on Page was already in place, when Rogers verbally briefed the FISC of the issues with the DOJ and their 702 abuses on October 24 2016. On October 26, 2016, Rogers appeared formally before the FISA Court and presented the findings of his audit.

on October 28 2016 Clapper submitted a recommendation that Director Rogers be removed as NSA Head, which failed because the last thing they want to do is fire a guy that has access to every dirty secret in the government, so Clapper was told to piss off. But like everything in the government the audit results that Rogers submitted to the FISC were not signed off on the 2016 Section 702 Certification non compliances until April 26, 2017, and it wasn't much more than a slap on the wrist, with the new administration in place of the actual violators.

Point being in all this rambling is the counter intelligence surveillance didn't start with Papadopoulos in April 2016, that's BS they were unmasking at 5 times the normal rate American names starting right after Trump came down the escalator in Trump Tower on Jun 16, 2015. And it was these huge increases in 704/705b unmaskings that triggered the NSA OIG Ellard to start looking into it and put out that report in January of 2016. And remember The NSA IG report was released internally on January 7, 2016 was just a snapshot that only covered March 2015 through August 2015. This report was put out a full four months before Papadopoulos ever got drunk, and talked to Downer. Papadopoulos was still attached to the ben Carson Campaign at this time frame. This whole farce on the Papadopoulos drunken talk starting this counter intelligence investigation is BS. The DOJ was unmasking Trump people in huge numbers long before then. Basically from the minute Trump made his formal announcement, the DOJ was looking into him. And if you remember Rand Paul got a little unhinged when he learned that they had been unmasking/surveilling him as well. I'm guessing they did it on each and every candidate on the republican side and likely Bernie too. The Clintons weren't messing around, they were in full court press mode. So the Timeline of this mess doesn't start in April 2016 it starts in June of 2015, ten full months prior to Papadopoulos bender.
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Seems plausible.
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Sally Yates cut herself off at the knees in paragraph 2?
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AMF 2 AMC said:

Sally Yates cut herself off at the knees in paragraph 2?
Because Horowitz had been chopped off at the knees by Yates.

I screwed up what I was trying to say, edited it

thanks
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Was the poster trying to hijack again?
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backintexas2013 said:

Was the poster trying to hijack again?
It was more or less a drive by. No biggie really.
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Got it. He never posts anything to dispute what is being said. Guess that's his shtick
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October 20 2016, Rogers was briefed by the NSA compliance officer on findings from the 702 NSA compliance audit. The audit had uncovered numerous query violations. October 21, 2016, Rogers shut down all 704/705b query activity, not just contractors but everybody, and reported his findings to the DOJ head, Loretta Lynch.

Is it just a coincidence that on October 21 2016, the DOJ/FBI seek and receive a title 1 FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISA Court? Hell no it wasn't because the FISA Court wasn't aware of the 702 query violations going on because Rogers didn't brief them until October 24 2016. So that morning on the 21st Rogers informs Lynch that he knows they are violating the 702 protocols and that afternoon they push through the title 1 warrant on Page. So the warrant on Page was already in place, when Rogers verbally briefed the FISC of the issues with the DOJ and their 702 abuses on October 24 2016. On October 26, 2016, Rogers appeared formally before the FISA Court and presented the findings of his audit.

on October 28 2016 Clapper submitted a recommendation that Director Rogers be removed as NSA Head, which failed because the last thing they want to do is fire a guy that has access to every dirty secret in the government, so Clapper was told to piss off. But like everything in the government the audit results that Rogers submitted to the FISC were not signed off on the 2016 Section 702 Certification non compliances until April 26, 2017, and it wasn't much more than a slap on the wrist, with the new administration in place of the actual violators.


Besides the outright blatant abuses on American Citizen, notably GOP candidates, the fact that Clapper was trying to get rid of Rogers is pretty damn revealing as to attempts to cover it up even then. I didn't know about that.

I remember all the hand wringing about FISA abuses and the debate on renewing the legislation, which was amazingly supported by Republicans as a necessary evil. I wonder what they'd say now.
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RoscoePColtrane said:


https://www.themarketswork.com/2018/01/15/the-uncovering-section-702-about-queries-independent-contractors-a-new-narrative/

Roscoe, that all fits with the above article on Rogers & FISA abuse by Jeff Carlson. He referenced the statement below (from one of his earlier articles):

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As I noted in An American Hero & the Death of a FISA Narrative:
It's unclear if [NSA Head] Rogers discovered the 702 violations and reported them in 2015, or if it was the Inspector General who found them. Either way, Rogers became aware of Section 702 violations sometime in 2015. Following the IG's report, Rogers implemented a tightening of internal rules at the NSA.
The IG's report and Roger's tightening of internal rules did not halt the Query Compliance Problems.

They still were unable to control the problem because the schemers (private contractors) were accessing the NSA database from areas outside the purview of NSA.



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There it is! Another connection between HRC (The Clinton Foundation) & Hakluyt.
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Hakluyt being exposed, more and more.
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A total aside, but does anyone else think the electronic access to patient records in Obamacare was done for similar purposes as all the unmasking and dissemination throughout the obama kingdom? If it's widely accessible, political operatives can get their hands on blackmail-worthy info without it being traced and use it against people.

Anyhoo, just a thought. It's apparent the Obamites were looking for every loophole to screw Americans.
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Is it just a coincidence that on October 21 2016, the DOJ/FBI seek and receive a title 1 FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISA Court? Hell no it wasn't because the FISA Court wasn't aware of the 702 query violations going on because Rogers didn't brief them until October 24 2016. So that morning on the 21st Rogers informs Lynch that he knows they are violating the 702 protocols and that afternoon they push through the title 1 warrant on Page. So the warrant on Page was already in place, when Rogers verbally briefed the FISC of the issues with the DOJ and their 702 abuses on October 24 2016. On October 26, 2016, Rogers appeared formally before the FISA Court and presented the findings of his audit.
FISA warrant applications are very long 50+ pages. Those cannot be drafted in a short time frame. So it was already prepared and ready to go by October 21, 2016. When was the Strzok/Page text about the "insurance policy"? August 2016?

Could preparing Title I FISA warrant applications have been discussed as a part of the "insurance policy"?? If so, how many others were prepared?
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It appears this is not a small isolated group of people that were operating on their own. It appears that the people at the very top of the Democratic Party were conspiring among themselves and foreign governments to take down an elected POTUS.

It appears that the good guys know what happened and prosecutors and grand juries are dealing with the crimes. It appears the OIG Report is going to precipitate a public revelation of the crimes inside the DOJ/FBI. The judges involved in the Flynn sentencing and the Russian company lawyers who showed up ate opening up other fronts.

It appears the Trump-Russian collusion narrative is dead with Mueller. It appears that Mueller and team are trying to figure out how to keep their law licensees and stay out of jail. There are several very high ranking people who are doing some serious soul searching regarding their loyalties. Each one only has to answer one question: Do I remain loyal and take my punishment while the Chicago and Arkansas folks live out their years on an island somewhere?
The answers will be interesting.
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https://www.themarketswork.com/2018/05/01/a-listing-of-participants/


A reference source of all the participants, affiliates, targets, actors, etc. in the scheme, including short write-ups and references. You can't imagine how long the list it is until you look.
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Tom Clancy couldn't come up with a plot this improbable.
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aggiehawg said:

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Is it just a coincidence that on October 21 2016, the DOJ/FBI seek and receive a title 1 FISA probable cause order authorizing electronic surveillance on Carter Page from the FISA Court? Hell no it wasn't because the FISA Court wasn't aware of the 702 query violations going on because Rogers didn't brief them until October 24 2016. So that morning on the 21st Rogers informs Lynch that he knows they are violating the 702 protocols and that afternoon they push through the title 1 warrant on Page. So the warrant on Page was already in place, when Rogers verbally briefed the FISC of the issues with the DOJ and their 702 abuses on October 24 2016. On October 26, 2016, Rogers appeared formally before the FISA Court and presented the findings of his audit.
FISA warrant applications are very long 50+ pages. Those cannot be drafted in a short time frame. So it was already prepared and ready to go by October 21, 2016. When was the Strzok/Page text about the "insurance policy"? August 2016?

Could preparing Title I FISA warrant applications have been discussed as a part of the "insurance policy"?? If so, how many others were prepared?
Not to forget they had already been turned down on the title 1 on Page a couple of times before, so I'm sure they were already working on it. the October 21st try they added the dossier and it went through. But when Rogers let Lynch know that he knew what was happening, she knew he would be addressing the FISC soon. The 21st was a Friday and he Addressed the Court about his findings Monday the 24th. Their backs were against the wall and had to react then.
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Geez...

Just catching up from being away over the weekend.

The further this goes, the more anger and disgust builds.

It is astounding the level of corruption. There needs to be a long and very painful reckoning for everyone involved so that we can make sure it never happens again.
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Not to forget they had already been turned down on the title 1 on Page a couple of times before, so I'm sure they were already working on it. the October 21st try they added the dossier and it went through. But when Rogers let Lynch know that he knew what was happening, she knew he would be addressing the FISC soon. The 21st was a Friday and he Addressed the Court about his findings Monday the 24th. Their backs were against the wall and had to react then.
Remember Judge Collyer (Supervising FISC) was withholding the records from the FISA courts until after DOJ produced theirs to see if they matched. Wonder whatever happened to that inquiry?

From the long article drcrinum posted naming all of the players, it appears likely that she personally was involved with one of the Page FISA warrant proceedings. Nothing pisses a judge off more than being lied to in their court.

I'd wager she will be featured in the upcoming Horowitz report on FISA-Gate 2.0. (The first being done under Admiral Rogers and his NSA Inspector General in 2016. That was on the NSA'a end.)
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MEENAGGIE09 said:

Geez...

Just catching up from being away over the weekend.

The further this goes, the more anger and disgust builds.

It is astounding the level of corruption. There needs to be a long and very painful reckoning for everyone involved so that we can make sure it never happens again.


Exactly! If there was EVER a time to set an example, now is it!!!
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Looks like a globalist cabal of various interests with American allies in the Obama administration and Clinton campaign was invested in ensuring a Clinton victory, then furious that Trump improbably defeated her anyhow and became desperate to cover their tracks once they realized the full implications of a potentially rightfully vengeful Trump with the powers of president. I think relatively few persons knew the full extent of this mess, but a few must have known or suspected the overall plan, though most only understood their goals and their individual role to play to help reach the overall goal of inhibiting Trump.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Looks like a globalist cabal of various interests with American allies in the Obama administration and Clinton campaign was invested in ensuring a Clinton victory, then furious that Trump improbably defeated her anyhow and became desperate to cover their tracks once they realized the full implications of a potentially rightfully vengeful Trump with the powers of president.
this is why we saw the break-neck pace to try to crush Teump's credibility and get a bunch of (R)s on board for impeachment right out of the gate. Their strategy was to nail a big scalp fast (Flynn) and then let it snowball until the administration was in tatters and the public demanded Trump to resign.

And now is the part where we get to see the cover-up uncovered.
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