Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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Anyone listen to Rush today? He believes that the FBI planted someone in the Trump campaign, either to spy on it directly, or to give them an excuse to get the FISA warrants. He also thinks both the Washington Compost and WSJ know who it is.

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Michael Avenatti is that his name? the so-called lawyer for Stormy Daniels? His whole thing is imploding now. The Mueller investigation is, I think, on the verge of it. And, by the way, I'm gonna give you a little heads-up here. Based on a Kimberley Strassel column last week, a Wall Street Journal editorial today and a Washington Post piece earlier this week, I actually believe the FBI planted an informant in the Trump campaign before Mueller was appointed, obviously.

This was in the summer of 2016, 'cause I think they believe this Russia stuff. I literally think I've gone back and forth on this. I really think they believe And I think this is why.. You know, there's a FISA application for the warrant to spy, FISA, and it uses the dossier. But there have to be other things in that application. Trump could declassify any of this any time he wants to and I have told you that I don't think he's declassifying it because I think he likes playing the victim.

I think he I don't mean to put it that way. He likes being able to tweet about the witch-hunt. I think he thinks it solidifies the bond between himself and his supporters. But clearly, if I'm a little bit overboard in suggesting they planted an informant in the campaign, they clearly have, and it's been Devin Nunes is trying to get this. This is the result of his latest request and it's based on a Washington Post story.

I'm gonna try to make sense of all this as the program unfolds today, but I just wanted to tell you. I would not be surprised if, in fact, the FBI planted an informant in the Trump campaign in order to try to prove this Russia collusion business. I think these swamp people are so in the vapors with all of this I think they're so shocked and stunned over everything that's happened that they have long since abandoned any rationality whatsoever.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/05/10/fbi-plant-informant-trump-campaign/

If I had to guess, it is either Carter Page (the most likely) or Jeff Sessions.
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I think it is more they wanted to believe it rather than actually believed it.
Reince Pribus maybe? Things have been going better for Trump since he is gone.
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Rapier108 said:

Anyone listen to Rush today? He believes that the FBI planted someone in the Trump campaign, either to spy on it directly, or to give them an excuse to get the FISA warrants. He also thinks both the Washington Compost and WSJ know who it is.

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Michael Avenatti is that his name? the so-called lawyer for Stormy Daniels? His whole thing is imploding now. The Mueller investigation is, I think, on the verge of it. And, by the way, I'm gonna give you a little heads-up here. Based on a Kimberley Strassel column last week, a Wall Street Journal editorial today and a Washington Post piece earlier this week, I actually believe the FBI planted an informant in the Trump campaign before Mueller was appointed, obviously.

This was in the summer of 2016, 'cause I think they believe this Russia stuff. I literally think I've gone back and forth on this. I really think they believe And I think this is why.. You know, there's a FISA application for the warrant to spy, FISA, and it uses the dossier. But there have to be other things in that application. Trump could declassify any of this any time he wants to and I have told you that I don't think he's declassifying it because I think he likes playing the victim.

I think he I don't mean to put it that way. He likes being able to tweet about the witch-hunt. I think he thinks it solidifies the bond between himself and his supporters. But clearly, if I'm a little bit overboard in suggesting they planted an informant in the campaign, they clearly have, and it's been Devin Nunes is trying to get this. This is the result of his latest request and it's based on a Washington Post story.

I'm gonna try to make sense of all this as the program unfolds today, but I just wanted to tell you. I would not be surprised if, in fact, the FBI planted an informant in the Trump campaign in order to try to prove this Russia collusion business. I think these swamp people are so in the vapors with all of this I think they're so shocked and stunned over everything that's happened that they have long since abandoned any rationality whatsoever.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2018/05/10/fbi-plant-informant-trump-campaign/

If I had to guess, it is either Carter Page (the most likely) or Jeff Sessions.

A lots of good minds are saying Papadopoulos
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It's Papadopoulos. That's why they won't release the redacted August memo, because his name is obvious even if redacted.
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A lots of good minds are saying Papadopoulos
B team at best. Someone else, in my view.
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Agreed, Papadopoulos is a good possibility as well.
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Don't tease me Dixie
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A lots of good minds are saying Papadopoulos
Notice that Papadopoulous was traveling around Europe in 2016...who was paying his way? Remember, Papadopoulos made multiple attempts to set up meetings with Russian officials when no one else ever did. Did you ever see a legal defense fund advertised for him...I didn't either (in contrast to Flynn where I've seen it multiple times). Also notice that he wasn't interviewed/arrested until July of 2017 even though his name reputedly appears in the EC of July 2016. Notice that he secretly plead guilty in October 2017 but still hasn't been sentenced, in contrast to Van der Zwaan who's already serving his sentence. Papa in the meantime has been romancing a blonde bombshell and become engaged to be married. Where's his income stream coming from?
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Would someone please check on this article to see if there is anything significant. It's paywalled to me.
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drcrinum said:

RoscoePColtrane said:


A lots of good minds are saying Papadopoulos
Notice that Papadopoulous was traveling around Europe in 2016...who was paying his way? Remember, Papadopoulos made multiple attempts to set up meetings with Russian officials when no one else ever did. Did you ever see a legal defense fund advertised for him...I didn't either (in contrast to Flynn where I've seen it multiple times). Also notice that he wasn't interviewed/arrested until July of 2017 even though his name reputedly appears in the EC of July 2016. Notice that he secretly plead guilty in October 2017 but still hasn't been sentenced, in contrast to Van der Zwaan who's already serving his sentence. Papa in the meantime has been romancing a blonde bombshell and become engaged to be married. Where's his income stream coming from?
3/14/16 Papadopoulos meets with this Joseph Mifsud and two other Russians
3/14/16 Brennan is on his reported secret trip to Moscow, meeting with people at the Federal Security Service (FSB) and another person.
3/15/16 Brennan returns
3/16/16 According to texts between Strzok and Page Comey has to clear his morning for an important meeting with Fitz (Patrick Fitzgerald)
3/17/16 Strzok tells Page Comey sat in with Dan. (Never knew who Dan was before but I'm guessing Richman)
3/18/16 Lisa Page was on the phone 45 minutes with Bill Priestap, he was furious that he had not been briefed by Mike Kortan. He's tired of being circumvented.
3/20/16 Page is called up on the carpet for a formal ass chewing, she has a meltdown and Strzok has to talk her off the ledge from quitting.

There's more I'm piecing it together

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The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it allowed House Intelligence Committee members to view classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI's investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source's name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.

Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes's request for details on this secret source was "wholly appropriate," "completely within the scope" of the committee's long-running FBI investigation, and "something that probably should have been answered a while ago." Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.

House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's response was to double downaccusing the House of "extortion" and delivering a speech in which he claimed that "declining to open the FBI's files to review" is a constitutional "duty." Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook argumentsthat revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in "loss of human lives."

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.

The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post's unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes's request deals with a "top secret intelligence source" of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.

This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly "unmasked" Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carr style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.

Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affairthe FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authorshave been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?

And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn't being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide's loose lips.

We also know that among the Justice Department's stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the "source" may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That's notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this "top secret" source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.

I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it. But what is clear is that we've barely scratched the surface of the FBI's 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible. It's time to rip off the Band-Aid.
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Would someone please check on this article to see if there is anything significant. It's paywalled to me.

Here you go.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/about-that-fbi-source-1525992611?redirect=amp&ns=prod/accounts-wsj


About That FBI 'Source'
Did the bureau engage in outright spying against the 2016 Trump campaign?

By
Kimberley A. Strassel
May 10, 2018 6:50 p.m. ET
156 COMMENTS

The Department of Justice lost its latest battle with Congress Thursday when it allowed House Intelligence Committee members to view classified documents about a top-secret intelligence source that was part of the FBI's investigation of the Trump campaign. Even without official confirmation of that source's name, the news so far holds some stunning implications.
Among them is that the Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation outright hid critical information from a congressional investigation. In a Thursday press conference, Speaker Paul Ryan bluntly noted that Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes's request for details on this secret source was "wholly appropriate," "completely within the scope" of the committee's long-running FBI investigation, and "something that probably should have been answered a while ago." Translation: The department knew full well it should have turned this material over to congressional investigators last year, but instead deliberately concealed it.
House investigators nonetheless sniffed out a name, and Mr. Nunes in recent weeks issued a letter and a subpoena demanding more details. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein's response was to double downaccusing the House of "extortion" and delivering a speech in which he claimed that "declining to open the FBI's files to review" is a constitutional "duty." Justice asked the White House to back its stonewall. And it even began spinning that daddy of all superspook argumentsthat revealing any detail about this particular asset could result in "loss of human lives."

This is desperation, and it strongly suggests that whatever is in these files is going to prove very uncomfortable to the FBI.
The bureau already has some explaining to do. Thanks to the Washington Post's unnamed law-enforcement leakers, we know Mr. Nunes's request deals with a "top secret intelligence source" of the FBI and CIA, who is a U.S. citizen and who was involved in the Russia collusion probe. When government agencies refer to sources, they mean people who appear to be average citizens but use their profession or contacts to spy for the agency. Ergo, we might take this to mean that the FBI secretly had a person on the payroll who used his or her non-FBI credentials to interact in some capacity with the Trump campaign.
This would amount to spying, and it is hugely disconcerting. It would also be a major escalation from the electronic surveillance we already knew about, which was bad enough. Obama political appointees rampantly "unmasked" Trump campaign officials to monitor their conversations, while the FBI played dirty with its surveillance warrant against Carter Page, failing to tell the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that its supporting information came from the Hillary Clinton campaign. Now we find it may have also been rolling out human intelligence, John Le Carr style, to infiltrate the Trump campaign.
Which would lead to another big question for the FBI: When? The bureau has been doggedly sticking with its story that a tip in July 2016 about the drunken ramblings of George Papadopoulos launched its counterintelligence probe. Still, the players in this affairthe FBI, former Director Jim Comey, the Steele dossier authorshave been suspiciously vague on the key moments leading up to that launch date. When precisely was the Steele dossier delivered to the FBI? When precisely did the Papadopoulos information come in?
And to the point, when precisely was this human source operating? Because if it was prior to that infamous Papadopoulos tip, then the FBI isn't being straight. It would mean the bureau was spying on the Trump campaign prior to that moment. And that in turn would mean that the FBI had been spurred to act on the basis of something other than a junior campaign aide's loose lips.
We also know that among the Justice Department's stated reasons for not complying with the Nunes subpoena was its worry that to do so might damage international relationships. This suggests the "source" may be overseas, have ties to foreign intelligence, or both. That's notable, given the highly suspicious role foreigners have played in this escapade. It was an Australian diplomat who reported the Papadopoulos conversation. Dossier author Christopher Steele is British, used to work for MI6, and retains ties to that spy agency as well as to a network of former spooks. It was a former British diplomat who tipped off Sen. John McCain to the dossier. How this "top secret" source fits into this puzzle could matter deeply.

I believe I know the name of the informant, but my intelligence sources did not provide it to me and refuse to confirm it. It would therefore be irresponsible to publish it. But what is clear is that we've barely scratched the surface of the FBI's 2016 behavior, and the country will never get the straight story until President Trump moves to declassify everything possible. It's time to rip off the Band-Aid.




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Thank you!!!

I'm convinced that special person in that article above is Stefan Halper. Who's he? The thread below will tell you all about his 'shady' background in the US government/political world before he went off to London and became involved with Hakluyt & British intel (covered earlier).



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/978269326519230465.html

for instance:

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So who plays Avenatti in the movie? I'm thinking Saul Goodman comes across as too savvy. Need someone a lot sleazier and stupid.
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dreyOO said:

So who plays Avenatti in the movie? I'm thinking Saul Goodman comes across as too savvy. Need someone a lot sleazier and stupid.
Joe Pesci revive's Vinney
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I guess I'm missing it. What's the big deal about it being this guy?
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Rockdoc said:

I guess I'm missing it. What's the big deal about it being this guy?
Stefan Halper is an old school government operative. Nixon, Ford and Reagan White Houses, then was was a senior advisor to the DoD and DoJ for another two decades. His Father in Law was an old school Spook for decades dating back to 1949. He was OSS (Jedburgh) during WW2. Halper is deep state as it gets.
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Rockdoc said:

I guess I'm missing it. What's the big deal about it being this guy?
There is a big rhubarb going on between Nunes + HPSCI and the DOJ/Rosenstein/Wray about redacted info, presumably in the July 2016 EC for the FBI counterintel investigation on Russia. Nunes has written a classified letter & subpoenaed the redacted info, & Rosenstein & Co. are refusing to give it. The info pertains to a specific individual, apparently a US citizen and may involve a foreign country, & Rosenstein et al are refusing to release the info on national security ground -- potential lives at risk, because the person is an active source of intel. Nunes has threatened contempt charges against Sessions over it.

Well there are several implications: 1) Coverup of issues in the EC -- if the individual was cited as a source of intelligence, and he is not employed in a government intelligence agency but rather works for a secretive dirty tricks outfit (similar to Steele & the dossier), then such intel is 'tainted' (like the dossier); 2) If this person has contacts with overseas intel people, it could prove embarrassing for that country; 3) If this person has an association with the Clintons, BOOM!; 4) Revealing this source could cause more blowback on the FBI/DOJ for shoddy/misleading work on the FISA warrant application; 5) This person could be a witness in a pending criminal investigation/indictment.
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Ok got it. Well you know what, if the FBI/DOJ is dirty then bring it on. It's time for all this to hit the fan. Would go a long way in draining the swamp.
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He may have still been an active intel asset? Maybe they were helping a foreign government spy on a certain campaign for our agencies?
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He may have still been an active intel asset?
But not a covert asset so there isn't any national security concerns, I don't think.
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What if he was a go-between with foreign intelligence agencies, or private intelligence consultant groups, and our governments'?

What if he worked with one of these shady private intel companies?
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No the problem is they have so much egg on their face they don't want it to see the light of day. That's why they're twisting the screws so hard on trump and the White House. What I don't get is why sessions turned to crap so quickly after trump put him in there.
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MouthBQ98 said:

What if he was a go-between with foreign intelligence agencies, or private intelligence consultant groups, and our governments'?

What if he worked with one of these shady private intel companies?
Why would you need a go between to connect with foreign intelligence agencies or private consultant groups, unless it's shady to begin with?
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akm91 said:

MouthBQ98 said:

What if he was a go-between with foreign intelligence agencies, or private intelligence consultant groups, and our governments'?

What if he worked with one of these shady private intel companies?
Why would you need a go between to connect with foreign intelligence agencies or private consultant groups, unless it's shady to begin with?

They use a cutout to create a compartment/space between the members of an operation to allow them to pass material or messages securely; also to have an operative who functions as an intermediary between two agencies create a buffer for plausible deniability, if they end up hooked up to the box.
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Daily caller article from March

Talks about Papadopoulos meeting with Halper

http://www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/george-papadopoulos-london-emails/
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Right which means shady dealings are going on. If it was all on the up and up, then you'd have officers doing the work.
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Daily caller article from March

Talks about Papadopoulos meeting with Halper

www.google.com/amp/amp.dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/george-papadopoulos-london-emails/
FIFY

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/george-papadopoulos-london-emails/
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A London Meeting Before The Election Aroused George Papadopoulos's Suspicions
Good find ... forget about that article. A few gems from this article ...
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Two months before the 2016 election, George Papadopoulos received a strange request for a meeting in London, one of several the young Trump adviser would be offered and he would accept during the presidential campaign.

The meeting request, which has not been reported until now, came from Stefan Halper, a foreign policy expert and Cambridge professor with connections to the CIA and its British counterpart, MI6.

Halper's September 2016 outreach to Papadopoulos wasn't his only contact with Trump campaign members. The 73-year-old professor, a veteran of three Republican administrations, met with two other campaign advisers, The Daily Caller News Foundation learned.
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Halper met campaign foreign policy adviser Carter Page at a July 2016 symposium held at Cambridge regarding the upcoming election, Page told TheDCNF. The pair remained in contact for several months.

Halper also requested and attended a one-on-one meeting with another senior campaign official, TheDCNF learned. That meeting was held a day or two before Halper reached out to Papadopoulos. Halper offered to help the campaign but did not bring up Papadopoulos, even though he would reach out to the campaign aide a day or two later.

Halper's intentions are unclear, while a source familiar with the investigations into Russian meddling told TheDCNF Halper's name popped up on investigators' radar. There is no indication of any wrongdoing on his part, and it is not clear if he has been in touch with investigators.

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So, Halper was paid by the FBI to inject himself in the Trump campaign and found a weak link in George Papa?

From there, Halper got George P drunk, steered the conversation towards Russian dirt on Hillary, and reported back to the FBI on Russian collusion.

With this information, coupled with the dossier, Trump's campaign becomes wire tap central?

If this is not the most sinister & treasonous plot since our Founding, I don't know what is.

If this proves to be true, Everyone envolved in this play should face the firing squad... including members of the press who were complicit in this crazy web.
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And yall thought I was crazy.


https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2923901/1#discussion
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Or halper is a white hat, but who knows

Lawyers and politics, I get the feeling that the delay in the oig report is because it implicates muller. Muller found this out when he interviewed with trump about the report and his only choice was to take the sc job and get enough dirt to trade his way out of the report. He is holding back what he knows thus the delay. I believe they call this the dc shuffle
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From January:
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A little off topic but I've been wondering why Trey Gowdy is not running again and if the board thinks he is truly retiring or not. It seems like with his past and what is going on these days he would be even more driven to root out corruption and the swamp.
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