It can't be said enough, and I hate to add a post that does not add to the issue of the thread, but when it comes to derailers and trolls....

drcrinum said:

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Uh-oh!
Robert S. Mueller III was then a partner of WilmerHale in its Washington office, so that's him. This would have been a formal consultation visit, so there should be records at the office for this. Suspicious for dealing with Hillary's e-mail server. Compromised!

Katica is a specialist at examining government records. She has made some major discoveries.

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Not seeing where Zebley was there. Is there a separate visitor log for him on the same day and time meeting with Osburn?

Confused.

that_one_guy said:

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Mueller continues to do work.

Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, to Plead Guilty in Mueller Inquiry and Cooperate
https://nyti.ms/2EX0jbx

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Can you tell me what the indictment or plea has to with the Trump campaign?

TIA

aggiehawg said:

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drcrinum said:

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Uh-oh!
Robert S. Mueller III was then a partner of WilmerHale in its Washington office, so that's him. This would have been a formal consultation visit, so there should be records at the office for this. Suspicious for dealing with Hillary's e-mail server. Compromised!

Katica is a specialist at examining government records. She has made some major discoveries.

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Not seeing where Zebley was there. Is there a separate visitor log for him on the same day and time meeting with Osburn?

Confused.

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Click on the blue underlined link in her tweet; goes to below. Scroll down to bottom where "other visitors scheduled for this appointment" and you will see Aaron M. Zebley listed.

http://white-house-logs.insidegov.com/l/70233011/Robert-S-Muelleriii?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=share

Thanks. Embarrassed that I didn't scroll down far enough.

that_one_guy said:

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Mueller continues to do work.

Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, to Plead Guilty in Mueller Inquiry and Cooperate
https://nyti.ms/2EX0jbx

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If this is the kind of crap he's gonna do, why not fire him and just let a DA handle it. Be a lot cheaper.

that_one_guy said:

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Mueller continues to do work.

Rick Gates, Trump Campaign Aide, to Plead Guilty in Mueller Inquiry and Cooperate
https://nyti.ms/2EX0jbx

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Some details on Gates of which many are unaware:
Gates was McCain's Campaign Manager in 2008, their relationship going back much further through the lobbying outfit of Manafort & Gates. Gates arranged for McCain's 70th Birthday Party in 2006 to be held on a yacht belonging to Oleg Deripaska that was parked off the coast of Montenegro. Deripaska had business interests in Montenegro (aluminum) and had helped promote Montenegro becoming an independent nation. Here is an old article about McCain, Gates & Deripaska, and in it you will also see a reference to a Rothschild, the same one who appears in that semi-biography of Manafort I posted back on Page 193:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/deadlineusa/2008/oct/24/uselections2008-johnmccain

It's like a Russian novel, so many characters and intertwining subplots going on over years.

It's Friday you can have my free pass, I'll wing it...

As I've said I get confused with all the pieces of information that comes out. In my simple mind this all goes back to the "shadow government " we heard about with Obama that he was setting up in Washington.

As stated above it started in 2013 when they went full in with Clapper et al. On surveillance on everybody. Republicans and democrats alike and all three branches of the government. I think they had dirt on everybody.

Only problem was Hillary lost and they couldn't keep it going. That's why she apologized to Obama that night. She was key for them to maintain control.

What we are seeing are threads of the cancer that worked itself into every corner of the government. I also think it has to do with why we are seeing so many elected officials "retire" in their prime.

Let's hope this is crushed because they aren't going to give up.

Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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You mean he won't sing...how ironic.

Why did his daughter come out a few weeks ago (on daytime television) to discuss his recovery? It's beyond bizarre.

aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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Don't want to get to Q on this thread, but the quickness in which he was able to return to the Senate after his operation sure was interesting.

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aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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You mean he won't sing...how ironic.

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I mean no one will even try to subpoena and question him about his role in the dossier. He has a built in medical excuse and harassing a supposedly dying man has a bad optic.

It is McCainBot 2.0. Russian software and all..

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aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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You mean he won't sing...how ironic.

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I mean no one will even try to subpoena and question him about his role in the dossier. He has a built in medical excuse and harassing a supposedly dying man has a bad optic.

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The daughter is in a tizzy on twitter and claiming her and her mom are going to go after POTUS for attacking her ailing father at CPAC. I must have missed that part. So the RINOs fence straddling spawn is worked up and thinks some GAF if she doesn't approve.

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friscodick said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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You mean he won't sing...how ironic.

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I mean no one will even try to subpoena and question him about his role in the dossier. He has a built in medical excuse and harassing a supposedly dying man has a bad optic.

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The daughter is in a tizzy on twitter and claiming her and her mom are going to go after POTUS for attacking her ailing father at CPAC. I must have missed that part. So the RINOs fence straddling spawn is worked up and thinks some GAF if she doesn't approve.

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Trump called him a loser before he was diagnosed with brain cancer too. Both times he was correct.

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aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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You mean he won't sing...how ironic.

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I mean no one will even try to subpoena and question him about his role in the dossier. He has a built in medical excuse and harassing a supposedly dying man has a bad optic.

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The daughter is in a tizzy on twitter and claiming her and her mom are going to go after POTUS for attacking her ailing father at CPAC. I must have missed that part. So the RINOs fence straddling spawn is worked up and thinks some GAF if she doesn't approve.

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Confirming what hawg and others are saying. "You can't attack him! He has brain cancer!"

EAD Meghan

I'm sure the POTUS is quaking in his boots over this little troll and her mommy going on the View and feeding the lib army.

Ooh, the View! Let the lefty circle jerk commence

Here is the kind of reporting that just keeps libs going on this stuff. From that NYT article on the Rick Gates plea:

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It is unclear exactly what he might have to offer the special counsel, or what his apparent plan to cooperate with Mr. Mueller means for President Trump. Neither indictment indicated that either Mr. Gates or Mr. Manafort had information about the central question of the investigation whether Mr. Trump or his aides coordinated with the Russian government's efforts to disrupt the 2016 election.

But Mr. Gates was present for the most significant periods of activity of the campaign, as Mr. Trump began developing policy positions and his digital operation engaged with millions of voters on platforms such as Facebook. Even after Mr. Manafort was fired by Mr. Trump in August 2016, Mr. Gates remained on in a different role, as a liaison between the campaign and the Republican National Committee. He traveled aboard the Trump plane through Election Day.

In addition to offering some visibility into the Trump campaign, Mr. Gates might be able to provide prosecutors with glimpses into decision-making in the months after the president's election victory. He was a consultant on the transition team, and he also worked in 2017 with America First Policies, the main outside group supporting the Trump presidency.

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If the article was concerned with facts, it would have stopped after the first paragraph where it says neither indictment had info on the central focus of the investigation of Trump/Russian collusion.

The second two bolded paragraphs are pure speculation ginning up hopes of libs everywhere that Gates might have knowledge of "the Trump/Russia collusion we libs just know went on"

I am going to say this one more time. The first step in proving a conspiracy ("collusion") is getting a plea deal where an underling pleads to one actually existing. Then, a prosecutor has a case to work on conspiracy/collusion.

The only conspiracy/collusion being alleged here is tax fraud and failure to report foreign bank accounts from events pre-dating the existence of the Trump campaign.

Mueller isn't "there" yet and is flailing away trying to get anything.

"muh POdubya camp"
"muh skin cancer"
"muh brain tumors"

aggiehawg said:

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I am going to say this one more time. The first step in proving a conspiracy ("collusion") is getting a plea deal where an underling pleads to one actually existing. Then, a prosecutor has a case to work on conspiracy/collusion.

The only conspiracy/collusion being alleged here is tax fraud and failure to report foreign bank accounts from events pre-dating the existence of the Trump campaign.

Mueller isn't "there" yet and is flailing away trying to get anything.

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In your experience and based on what has happened, are Mueller's actions painting him as a black hat? I really don't know what to think. Thanks.

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aggiehawg said:

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I am going to say this one more time. The first step in proving a conspiracy ("collusion") is getting a plea deal where an underling pleads to one actually existing. Then, a prosecutor has a case to work on conspiracy/collusion.

The only conspiracy/collusion being alleged here is tax fraud and failure to report foreign bank accounts from events pre-dating the existence of the Trump campaign.

Mueller isn't "there" yet and is flailing away trying to get anything.

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In your experience and based on what has happened, are Mueller's actions painting him as a black hat? I really don't know what to think. Thanks.

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Mueller is a black hat in survival mode with out a doubt.

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aggiehawg said:

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I am going to say this one more time. The first step in proving a conspiracy ("collusion") is getting a plea deal where an underling pleads to one actually existing. Then, a prosecutor has a case to work on conspiracy/collusion.

The only conspiracy/collusion being alleged here is tax fraud and failure to report foreign bank accounts from events pre-dating the existence of the Trump campaign.

Mueller isn't "there" yet and is flailing away trying to get anything.

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In your experience and based on what has happened, are Mueller's actions painting him as a black hat? I really don't know what to think. Thanks.

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I never really bought in on the idea that Mueller was a white hat. He's just too close to Comey, for one thing. Comey is a self-righteous, arrogant, megalomaniac who used his office to try to entrap the President.

I have long been uncomfortable with Comey's hanging behind in a well-attended briefing, under the guise of informing Trump alone about the dossier. He maneuvered a solo meeting, then decried that Trump met alone with him. At the same time Comey is investigating Trump yet lying that he is not. Think Comey told Trump, "Hey, just so you know, we have an active FISA warrant on one of your former campaign workers and have access to many of your teams' communications"??

Comey even stated in his testimony that he feared Trump might think Comey was blackmailing him. (Comey's words were "holding it over his head.") That was a very weird thing for Comey to volunteer while under oath.

The nexus here is that Comey spent a lot of time with Mueller in prepping his testimony before his appearance. Much of what he said was scripted and approved by Mueller, apparently. At the time, I speculated that Comey was so blithely discussing things he should have been circumspect about because Mueller had granted him immunity. That scenario is less likely after this amount of time but I can't rule it completely out...yet.

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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What is truly sad is that he is able to keep his seat even though most think any testimony will come under scrutiny. How about apply this logic to any and all decisions he is making as well now.

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aggiehawg said:

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Ugh! McCain again. And his brain cancer means he will never answer any questions and even if he does, his credibility will be nil due to his lack of cognition.

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What is truly sad is that he is able to keep his seat even though most think any testimony will come under scrutiny. How about apply this logic to any and all decisions he is making as well now.

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McCain has an excuse for this:


F***er!

Been away for a bit. Not spending hours in front of PC and won't be again till mid-March.
My meeting is Tuesday. I'll post a full update after.

The NVA beat whatever sense McCain once had out of him long ago.
Crooked swamp rat now.

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The NVA beat whatever sense McCain once had out of him long ago.
Crooked swamp rat now.

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No. CTE can never be his excuse. And he would dishonor those who actually suffer from it.



What am I saying? McCain doesn't care anymore about who or what he dishonors, including himself and his family.

Roscoe and Aggiehawg, at some point, Mueller has to realize "Trump knows everything" and that he's going to burn, right? So, if he is indeed a black hat, is this a race to the finish? Do you think Mueller swings for the fences before the IG report comes out? Seems like once it does, he and Comey are cooked.

boulderaggie said:

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Roscoe and Aggiehawg, at some point, Mueller has to realize "Trump knows everything" and that he's going to burn, right? So, if he is indeed a black hat, is this a race to the finish? Do you think Mueller swings for the fences before the IG report comes out? Seems like once it does, he and Comey are cooked.

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Mueller is in the proverbial sticky wicket, IMO. He has one card and one card only to play. Which card? Goes after Trump and goes down in flames? Or strikes a deal with Trump to Mueller him slink away?

If there was anything to Trump hacking the DNC computers, or even knowing that the Russians had done so and Trump learned after the fact, given the amount of extra-legal surveillance on Trump AND the Russian bot operation, we would know by now. And the FBI folks who brought charges against Trump would be doing victory laps on CNN and Morning Joe.

Watergate took from June 1972 until August 1974 for Nixon to resign. And that was after open hearings in the Senate for six months and a SCOTUS decision.

Mueller's clock started when Comey opened the "counter-intel" operation in June-July 2016.

Tick tock.

boulderaggie said:

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Roscoe and Aggiehawg, at some point, Mueller has to realize "Trump knows everything" and that he's going to burn, right? So, if he is indeed a black hat, is this a race to the finish? Do you think Mueller swings for the fences before the IG report comes out? Seems like once it does, he and Comey are cooked.

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Mueller only chance is he lures the POTUS into having him fired and then try some stretch at obstruction, or he's riding out the mid terms to see if by chance the left takes the house, because if that happens they will dedicate themselves to impeaching him on anything they trump up. It only takes 218 votes in the house and they can hope they have enough NeverTrumpers to bridge the gap. They'll never get the Senate to confirm it, because I don't think there are enough NeverTrumpers to make up that difference, just like with Clinton, but that may be just enough to to keep him out of 2020.

Mueller is going to have to try and Trigger Trump into making a mistake. Mueller knows damn good and well there is nothing there and he knows damn good and well collusion isn't even a crime. But there is too much down the road fallout in the U1 business he has to stay engaged to keep an eye on that ticking time bomb.

Until Sessions comes out of the shadows, and shuts down the witch hunt, it will go on and on.