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I've only read about 100 to 120 of the 190 pages here. So perhaps its been mentioned.

Does anyone find Carter Pages' resume eerily similar to Jack Ryans resume?

Also, if anyone hasnt read the books you probably don't know this. Ryans wife Cathy's maiden name is Mueller.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(character)

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Carter Page went down in helicopter crash in the Med and finished his final year in the hospital?

policywonk98 said:

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I've only read about 100 to 120 of the 190 pages here. So perhaps its been mentioned.

Does anyone find Carter Pages' resume eerily similar to Jack Ryans resume?

Also, if anyone hasnt read the books you probably don't know this. Ryans wife Cathy's maiden name is Mueller.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(character)

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I continue to believe Page is a CIA agent. His behavior has been extremely bizarre throughout the entire ordeal.

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Wouldn't that be wild?

Unlike Libby, Novak, et al what if the Dems really did out a CIA operative that actually was undercover?

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Indeed.

It's come out that he was an fbi informant previously. The guy just went on TV and answered any question anyone wanted to ask. He testified to the house or senate (maybe both?) without a lawyer present. It is just bizarre. He acts like he doesn't have a care in the world and has an ultimate get out of jail free card.

Carter Page's FISA warrant expired around on 10/20/17

Q started posting a week later

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Former CIA Director John Brennan slammed President Trump Tuesday for asserting that he was tougher than former President Barack Obama on Russia.

"It never ceases to amaze me how successful you have been making yourself so small, petty, and banal with your tweets," Mr. Brennan told the president on Twitter. "Your insecurity is well deserved, as is your concern over Russia investigation."

The ex-CIA chief concluded, "Thomas Paine was right when he said, "These are the times that try men's souls."

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Curious Brennan is opening his yap considering what could be coming down the pike. I wonder if he's intentionally poking the bear (no pun intended) in order to make his "hopefully" impending indictment appear vengeful by Trump on the surface.

Or maybe he's just an *******.

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Supposedly, Brennan voted for whomever the Communist Party candidate was. I heard it about 2 weeks ago, can't remember where, but it was reputable enough for me to bring it up. The little I know about him, it wouldn't surprise me. So, he probably does know about the "Russians". Plus, it's llikely he is an *******!

BTW, wouldn't Brennan know if Page was CIA? Just a thought!

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In an opinion piece for Law & Crime, Robert Barnes said that Robert Mueller indicted of 13 Russians and three Russian companies because they did not register as foreign agents or record financial expenditures to the Federal Elections Commissions.

"They were foreign citizens; they tried to influence an election; and they neither registered under the Foreign Agents Registration Act nor reported their funding to the Federal Elections Commission," he wrote.

Under this claim, there are three things that "make the Clinton Campaign a potential target," according to Barnes.

The first one is that they knew Christopher Steele, the author of the infamous Russia-Trump dossier, was a foreign citizen....

The next potentially criminating thing is that the Clinton campaign "knew, and paid, Steele to influence an election."...

Lastly, the Clinton campaign "knew, and facilitated, Steele" not registering as a foreign agent or reporting that he was being funded by the Clinton campaign to the Federal Election Commissions. He instead disguised the payments as a "legal expense."

Steele himself, based on Mueller's theory, is a criminal under the same guidelines as the Russian indictments. He is a foreign citizen, was paid to influence an election, and never registered as a foreign agent or listed his expenditures.

The Clinton campaign is not the only potential target under Mueller's theory.

The DNC, Perkins Coie and Fusion GPS could also be targeted for indictment, according to Barnes.

However, Barnes said not to expect an indictment of any of these people or organizations.

"Mueller chose his targets because he knows they will never appear in court, never contest the charges, and cannot be arrested or extradited as Russian citizens," he wrote.

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A theory...

I've reached a point in this where I don't get angry, knowing that it takes time for justice, now that so many of the crimes have been, or are being, revealed.

However, reading that letter from Ms. Toensing is infuriating. I realize it's one side of the story, but I believe it's true, and honestly makes me wonder who's frickin' side some of these *******s are on!

It does take time for criminal justice. It does not take that same amount of time for the free press to put the correct information out to public.

That letter is messed up on so many levels.

But from what we are learning about the upper echelons of the FBI and DOJ, should anyone be surprised?

I am not.

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However, reading that letter from Ms. Toensing is infuriating. I realize it's one side of the story, but I believe it's true, and honestly makes me wonder who's frickin' side some of these *******s are on!

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Obama, Hillary, Comey types are on the side of the globalist cabal willing to wreck America's standing for some collectivist two-class abstract. They are willing to cause wars to distract from actions as well.

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I'm almost to the point where I want to see key members of the MSM indicted before DOJ/FBI/Congress.

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The MSM won't stop until this happens.

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I'm almost to the point where I want to see key members of the MSM indicted before DOJ/FBI/Congress.

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Indicted for what?

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I'm almost to the point where I want to see key members of the MSM indicted before DOJ/FBI/Congress.

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Indicted for what?

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Leaks of classified information (which they know full well is classified)

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I'm almost to the point where I want to see key members of the MSM indicted before DOJ/FBI/Congress.

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Indicted for what?

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Until I saw your reply, I hadn't thought about this, but as long as were running FISA this, and FISA that, let's go all in and put about 100 to 150 journalists under "domestic review".

Talk about salacious!

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I'm almost to the point where I want to see key members of the MSM indicted before DOJ/FBI/Congress.

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Indicted for what?

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Until I saw your reply, I hadn't thought about this, but as long as were running FISA this, and FISA that, let's go all in and put about 100 to 150 journalists under "domestic review".

Talk about salacious!

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No one cared when Obama did that to James Rosen and his family. Sharyl Atkisson, too. Those were likely outside of the FISA process, though. It is a dicey proposition when it comes to the press. They are afforded wide latitude. About the only way to find out who their sources are is to jail them for contempt, like Judith Miller was during the Plame imbroglio.

The other method in identifying leaks is up to the agencies to police themselves and the Inspector Generals offices. Comey was the leaker in chief at the FBI and never investigated them at all.

10 people, leakers and journalists, Obama went after.
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-before-trump-obama-prosecuted-leaks-20170804-htmlstory.html

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Thomas Drake - National Security Agency executive before he was indicted in April 2010 under the Espionage Act for allegedly leaking information about TrailBlazer, one of several surveillance programs used by the agency. Drake eventually pleaded guilty to a lesser charge and avoided prison.

Shamai Leibowitz - FBI linguist before pleading guilty in May 2010 to leaking national security information to a blogger. Leibowitz was sentenced to 20 months in prison.

Chelsea Manning (formerly Bradley Manning) - Army intelligence analyst who was arrested and charged in June 2010 in connection with one of the largest leaks ever of U.S. State Department documents. In July 2013, Manning was convicted to a prison sentence of 35 years, a sentence Obama commuted before he left office.
Manning spent seven years in prison and was released in May.

Stephen Kim - state department contractor before he was indicted in August 2010 for leaking information about North Korea to a Fox News reporter, James Rosen. Kim pleaded guilty and in 2014, he was sentenced to 13 months in prison.

James Rosen - Fox News journalist, reported in 2009 that U.S. officials feared North Korea would respond to United Nations sanctions with nuclear tests, The Washington Post wrote at the time. Stephen Kim was suspected to be his source, so the Justice Department obtained Rosen's phone records and emails to make that connection. Rosen was not charged with a crime.

Jeffrey Sterling - CIA officer before he was arrested and charged in 2011 with leaking information about U.S. efforts to sabotage Iran's nuclear program to a reporter for The New York Times, James Risen. Four years later, Sterling was convicted on espionage charges and was sentenced to 42 months in prison.

James Risen - American journalist that was first ordered to testify in the Justice Department's case against Sterling as early as 2008 at the end of the George W. Bush administration, The Times reported. Risen spent the next seven years, mostly during the Obama administration, fighting the Justice Department and vowing to go to prison before revealing his source. The legal battle ended finally in 2015 when Attorney General Eric Holder said Risen would not be forced to testify in the case.

John Kiriakou - former CIA officer, was charged in 2012 with disclosing information to reporters about the capture and interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, a suspected Al Qaeda member. Kiriakou pleaded guilty later that year and was then sentenced to 30 months in prison.

Donald Sachtleben - former FBI agent who pleaded guilty in 2013 to leaking classified information about to journalists about a foiled bomb plot in Yemen, The New York Times reported. Sachtleben was sentenced to more than three years in prison.

Edward Snowden - NSA contractor who leaked information to journalists about the agency's massive surveillance programs in 2013. Snowden was charged with three felonies one count for theft of government property and two for disclosing that information. Snowden fled the U.S. and to this day remains in asylum in Russia.

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I'm almost to the point where I want to see key members of the MSM indicted before DOJ/FBI/Congress.

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Cultural Sedition? Undermining the political process? But specifically whatever taking money from the DNC in return for slanted editorials would be classified as in legal terms other than who-ring

Note no journalists went to prison from your list. Further note nearly all of those happened under Mueller at the FBI, not Comey.

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WTH is "cultural sedition"??

If respected news outlets are outed as paying their sources like a tabloid, the market is the correction for that. Hopefully, the IG's report will be illustrative on that point.

It sucks but there it is.

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No, you got it turned around. I meant outed as news outlets PAID BY the Democrats to run a narrative. The way Hillary paid for the dossier narrative.

Cultural sedition and undermining the political process were descriptions of what they do, not legal terms, that is why asked what would the legal term for the above be and not those two, because that seems quite possible.

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Indicted for what?

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Leaks of classified information (which they know full well is classified)

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Members of the press are not prohibited from publishing classified information. The crime is committed by their source(s). First Amendment.

One of the reasons I never quite understood the angst over Julian Assange's role in the Bradley Manning thing. Manning is running around free and running for elected office, while Assange is in political asylum. Manning should have been executed for espionage, in my view.

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Note no journalists went to prison from your list. Further note nearly all of those happened under Mueller at the FBI, not Comey.

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Can journalists be indicted under RICO laws if it can be shown that they colluded with the DNC to subvert election results through illegal leaking?

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If respected news outlets are outed as paying their sources like a tabloid, the market is the correction for that. Hopefully, the IG's report will be illustrative on that point.

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No, you got it turned around. I meant outed as news outlets PAID BY the Democrats to run a narrative. The way Hillary paid for the dossier narrative.

Cultural sedition and undermining the political process were descriptions of what they do, not legal terms, that is why asked what would the legal term for the above be and not those two, because that seems quite possible.

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Taking money from a source to publish a lie should be even more damning and lead to the firing and ostracism of reporters and editors that indulged in such activity. But journalism is so far gone now, we are back to the days of the yellow press, pamphleteers and "Remember the Maine!" type of exploitation.

But again, what you seem to be referring to is akin to the WWI era Sedition Act which amended the earlier Espionage Act to punish speech. Sedition Act was repealed in the 20s. And the 1969 SCOTUS decision in Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444, it is unlikely that such an act would be considered constitutional.

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Note no journalists went to prison from your list. Further note nearly all of those happened under Mueller at the FBI, not Comey.

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Hhmm, RICO? I suppose there might be a way to bootstrap a possible RICO charge but the facts would have to fall perfectly and I mean perfectly. Whereas at the moment it appears the best that can be said is that the press and the DNC are fellow travelers for a certain agenda rather than being active members of an actual criminal conspiracy.

But, if there is a case to be made, the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation's sundry organizations would be a good place to start.

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Note no journalists went to prison from your list. Further note nearly all of those happened under Mueller at the FBI, not Comey.

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Can journalists be indicted under RICO laws if it can be shown that they colluded with the DNC to subvert election results through illegal leaking?

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Hhmm, RICO? I suppose there might be a way to bootstrap a possible RICO charge but the facts would have to fall perfectly and I mean perfectly. Whereas at the moment it appears the best that can be said is that the press and the DNC are fellow travelers for a certain agenda rather than being active members of an actual criminal conspiracy.

But, if there is a case to be made, the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation's sundry organizations would be a good place to start.

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What if literally running their copy by DNC members, or worse, RECEIVING their talking points and editorial from the Democrats? "Fellow travelers" is ambiguous, but what if something that absurd is going on--it would certainly explain the almost plagiarist sounding repetition of phrases if there are distributed "what to say" write-ups like that from the DNC.

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What if literally running their copy by DNC members, or worse, RECEIVING their talking points and editorial from the Democrats? "Fellow travelers" is ambiguous, but what if something that absurd is going on--it would certainly explain the almost plagiarist sounding repetition of phrases if there are distributed "what to say" write-ups like that from the DNC.

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Not seeing the actual crime in such collaboration. Sure, it violates every journalistic ethics rule in the book but is it really a criminal enterprise? Is it bribery or extortion? What was the quid pro quo? That's where I am getting hung up.

For a RICO case there has to be an underlying criminal act(s) and willing participants to that criminal enterprise.

Not seeing it, quite yet.

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Note no journalists went to prison from your list. Further note nearly all of those happened under Mueller at the FBI, not Comey.

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Can journalists be indicted under RICO laws if it can be shown that they colluded with the DNC to subvert election results through illegal leaking?

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No, the answer is never RICO.