Mueller dismisses top FBI agent in Russia probe for anti-Trump texts

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aggiehawg said:

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I've long wondered how Roberts was such a slam dunk for GWB and the entire Senate chamber. Libs and Republicans were all aboard and never gave a hint of waivering. It just never made sense.

Till now.
Also, when Rehnquist passed GWB should have nominated Scalia to be Chief Justice and not Roberts. That move never made sense to me.


Agree with this. Actually the Chief Justice position should always pass along to a sitting justice, IMO.
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MouthBQ98 said:

He was careful to ask a (very leading) question.

John Roberts is a very common name and I would not be surprised if there are others with that name in Epstein's circle of interaction.
What makes it interesting is we know Dershowitz rode on that plane so from a judicial angle how many other John Roberts are there that have enough juice (for lack of a better term) to earn a seat to "fantasy island."

Believe me, I'm not trying to glorify it at all and yes, John Roberts is a very common name, but there were a lot of famous names on that list and the SCOTUS jurist is easily the most recognizable "John Roberts."

Couple that with his extremely odd behavior on the bench and you have the makings of a nice conspiracy.
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Roberts rulings aren't quite as unusual as some see them, or at least unexpected. Conservatives may not like some of them coming from a conservative judge and a couple have been real head scratchers but he has shown a tendency to look at the implications of rulings if applied to a different context in the future as versus just contemporary circumstances. Sort of a forfeit a battle to win a war with regards to how certain rulings might be used in the future, though not consistently, either. There are a lot more politics involved than he would like I think, with 2 liberal justices essentially forming a mini legislature and "voting" more than ruling, and two more often ideologically joining them. I think Roberts tries to be a peacemaker perhaps, and bargaining concessions on shorter term considerations.

To outsiders, it looks unprincipled and maybe it is better described as "aprincipled" (I made that word up.)
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This is another thread question, but I'd love to hear why Rehnquist wasn't a fav of yours. I wouldn't know a good SCOTUS judge from a bad one. Okay, that's not really true, but maybe a decent one from a really good one.

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fasthorse05 said:

This is another thread question, but I'd love to hear why Rehnquist wasn't a fav of yours. I wouldn't know a good SCOTUS judge from a bad one. Okay, that's not really true, but maybe a decent one from a really good one.


Two reasons. He was not a big proponent on Fourth Amendment search and seizures and whittled away at the protections afforded therein.

Second reason was he had a proclivity to insert dicta in his opinions and then later on cite the dicta as the ruling. Which is how he weakened the Fourth.

Of course it didn't help that he acted like he was in a production of HMS Pinafore during the Clinton impeachment trial.
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aggiehawg said:


Of course it didn't help that he acted like he was in a production of HMS Pinafore during the Clinton impeachment trial.
Sorry.....could only recall this classic scene.....

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Pompous asses I can handle. Pompous asses in ridiculous costumes, I can't.
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Of course it didn't help that he acted like he was in a production of HMS Pinafore during the Clinton impeachment trial.
That made me laugh.

Sometime this week, I'll probably go look up his performance during that time. I remember Dershowitz hated his performance.
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That's only because Mueller didn't allow Weissman to indict all of the Trump kids, put them in jail without bail, and try to wait out Trump. Most Dems would have loved it.
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fasthorse05 said:

That's only because Mueller didn't allow Weissman to indict all of the Trump kids, put them in jail without bail, and try to wait out Trump. Most Dems would have loved it.
Precisely, Weissmann's new book basically calls out Mueller for not allowing the Mueller team to go after Trump more aggressively (i.e., illegally).
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3 Toed Pete said:

Nothing happens before Lindsay Graham tells us to "stay tuned" and I haven't heard that this weekend.
He said something would be coming in 10-12 days. 12 days would be tomorrow.
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No joke.
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Weissman should have been disbarred and fired after Ted Stevens and Enron
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aggiehawg said:



No joke.
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aggiehawg said:



No joke.
yeah but it's still hilarious. #ThatsTheJoke
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blindey said:

aggiehawg said:



No joke.
yeah but it's still hilarious. #ThatsTheJoke

Yeah that's almost accidentally telling the truth.
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And he'll be paraded around just like Comey, Woodward, and every other anti-Trump ******* with an axe to grind.
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A year ago this month, Democrats began their impeachment crusade against President Trump because he had sought an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden's activities in Ukraine. And the rallying cry then was that any concerns about the Bidens were pure, discredited conspiracy theories.

What a difference a year makes.

The GOP-led Senate Finance and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committees plan to release a joint report as early as this week disclosing the results of a year-long probe into Joe Biden's stewardship of Ukraine anti-corruption policy while his son earned big money as a board member at the corruption-plagued Burisma Holdings gas firm.
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The report is expected to accuse the former vice president of engaging in a prohibited conflict of interest or the appearance of a conflict of interest by continuing to oversee the U.S. anti-corruption policies in Ukraine while his son served on the board of a natural gas company under investigation by the very Ukrainian prosecutors dependent on U.S. money, guidance and assistance in the fight against corruption that Joe Biden controlled.

The fact that Joe Biden admits he forced the firing in spring 2016 of Viktor Shokin the Ukrainian prosecutor who was overseeing the Burisma probe by threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine only heightens the conflict concerns.
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Again, Senate investigators will ask the question whether the FBI or U.S. intelligence committees looked the other way because Hunter Biden's father was the vice president.
Such questions are the very reason why conflict of interest laws exist in the U.S government's ethics laws to avoid putting federal officials in awkward positions that cause Americans to doubt the integrity of their government.
"The public has to be aware of this what I call glaring conflict of interest," Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) said recently. "The media is covering for Joe Biden. They're part and parcel of the Democratic Party."
The big question is whether the Senate committees will conclude any laws or regulations were broken.
But no matter where the report comes down on that question, it is no longer a conspiracy theory to question the Bidens' behavior in Ukraine. Even the federal agencies who served under Joe Biden did that.
This is pretty damning, and something we have known for a long time.

Thank you for posting.

Solomon keeps doing great work.
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pagerman @ work said:

blindey said:

aggiehawg said:



No joke.
yeah but it's still hilarious. #ThatsTheJoke

Yeah that's almost accidentally telling the truth.


Where The Law Ends -- Andrew Weissman Prosecutions, A History.
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More from Weissmann.



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n our interview, I asked Weissmann if Mueller had let the American people down. "Absolutely, yep," Weissmann said, before quickly adding: "I wouldn't phrase it as just Mueller. I would say 'the office.' There are a lot of things we did well, and a lot of things we could have done better, to be diplomatic about it."
And the investigationwas it a historic missed opportunity?
Weissmann's reply was terse. "That's fair."
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"Had we given it our allhad we used all available tools to uncover the truth, undeterred by the onslaught of the president's unique powers to undermine our efforts?" Weissmann writes in the introduction. "I know the hard answer to that simple question: We could have done more." Elsewhere, he admits that, "like Congress, we were guilty of not pressing as hard as we could" for evidence. He calls a crucial passage of the Mueller report "mealymouthed"an easy mark for Barr's treachery. "Part of the reason the president and his enablers were able to spin the report was that we had left the playing field open for them to do so."
You were just outmaneuvered and outlawyered by Barr, you POS.

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Weissmann whined that Mueller and the Democrat hack lawyers working on the Russia probe were under constant threat of being fired by President Trump as Richard Nixon had fired Archibald Cox.
What a joke.
Mueller was an inferior in the Justice Department who was harassing the President of the United States with a fishing expedition based on a Hillary Clinton-funded dossier.
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undeterred by the onslaught of the president's unique powers to undermine our efforts?"
And yet, the president (promptly) provided 24,000 pages of materials and the campaign 1.4 million to the witch hunt crew.

The crew knew within 90 days that they had nothing, so they'd have to drag things out and focus on a conspiracy or obstruction charge. Certainly, by fall of 2017;

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Now that Special Counsel Robert Mueller has concluded that there was no criminal collusion, the question arises: When during their exhaustive 22-month investigation did prosecutors realize they had no case?

I put it at no later than the end of 2017. I suspect it was in the early autumn.

By the time Mueller was appointed on May 17, 2017, the FBI had been trying unsuccessfully for nearly a year to corroborate the dossier's allegations. Top bureau officials have conceded to congressional investigators that they were never able to do so notwithstanding that, by the time of Mueller's appointment, the Justice Department and FBI had relied on the dossier three times, in what they labeled "VERIFIED" applications, to obtain warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

And make no mistake about what this means. In each and every application, after describing the hacking operations carried out by Russian operatives, the Justice Department asserted:
Now, for someone who was employed as a prosecutor by the DoJ to be impugning a subject, in this manner, violates the ABA code of conduct (3.6e), and certainly the DoJ guidelines. He's vile scum.
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aggiehawg said:

More from Weissmann.



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n our interview, I asked Weissmann if Mueller had let the American people down. "Absolutely, yep," Weissmann said, before quickly adding: "I wouldn't phrase it as just Mueller. I would say 'the office.' There are a lot of things we did well, and a lot of things we could have done better, to be diplomatic about it."
And the investigationwas it a historic missed opportunity?
Weissmann's reply was terse. "That's fair."
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"Had we given it our allhad we used all available tools to uncover the truth, undeterred by the onslaught of the president's unique powers to undermine our efforts?" Weissmann writes in the introduction. "I know the hard answer to that simple question: We could have done more." Elsewhere, he admits that, "like Congress, we were guilty of not pressing as hard as we could" for evidence. He calls a crucial passage of the Mueller report "mealymouthed"an easy mark for Barr's treachery. "Part of the reason the president and his enablers were able to spin the report was that we had left the playing field open for them to do so."
You were just outmaneuvered and outlawyered by Barr, you POS.

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Weissmann whined that Mueller and the Democrat hack lawyers working on the Russia probe were under constant threat of being fired by President Trump as Richard Nixon had fired Archibald Cox.
What a joke.
Mueller was an inferior in the Justice Department who was harassing the President of the United States with a fishing expedition based on a Hillary Clinton-funded dossier.
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LOL. They altered evidence to LIE to the FISA Court, and they didn't press hard enough? The fact this SOB is seen as an advocate of truth by anybody is proof we do, in fact, live in Bizarro World.
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aggiehawg said:

"Had we given it our allhad we used all available tools to uncover the truth, undeterred by the onslaught of the president's unique powers to undermine our efforts?" Weissmann writes in the introduction. "I know the hard answer to that simple question:

We could have done more." Elsewhere, he admits that, "like Congress, we were guilty of not pressing as hard as we could" for manufacturing evidence.

He calls a crucial passage of the Mueller report "mealymouthed"an easy mark for Barr's treachery. "Part of the reason the president and his enablers were able to spin the report was that we had left the playing field open for them to do so."

FIFY

Weissman is lower than whale dung. They live in glass house of their own lies.
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CyclingAg82 said:

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Again, Senate investigators will ask the question whether the FBI or U.S. intelligence committees looked the other way because Hunter Biden's father was the vice president.
Such questions are the very reason why conflict of interest laws exist in the U.S government's ethics laws to avoid putting federal officials in awkward positions that cause Americans to doubt the integrity of their government.
"The public has to be aware of this what I call glaring conflict of interest," Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.) said recently. "The media is covering for Joe Biden. They're part and parcel of the Democratic Party."
The big question is whether the Senate committees will conclude any laws or regulations were broken.
But no matter where the report comes down on that question, it is no longer a conspiracy theory to question the Bidens' behavior in Ukraine. Even the federal agencies who served under Joe Biden did that.
This is pretty damning, and something we have known for a long time.

Thank you for posting.

Solomon keeps doing great work.
"Conspiracy theory" [/Chance Chase McGillicutty]
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aggiehawg said:

More from Weissmann.



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n our interview, I asked Weissmann if Mueller had let the American people down. "Absolutely, yep," Weissmann said, before quickly adding: "I wouldn't phrase it as just Mueller. I would say 'the office.' There are a lot of things we did well, and a lot of things we could have done better, to be diplomatic about it."
And the investigationwas it a historic missed opportunity?
Weissmann's reply was terse. "That's fair."
Quote:

"Had we given it our allhad we used all available tools to uncover the truth, undeterred by the onslaught of the president's unique powers to undermine our efforts?" Weissmann writes in the introduction. "I know the hard answer to that simple question: We could have done more." Elsewhere, he admits that, "like Congress, we were guilty of not pressing as hard as we could" for evidence. He calls a crucial passage of the Mueller report "mealymouthed"an easy mark for Barr's treachery. "Part of the reason the president and his enablers were able to spin the report was that we had left the playing field open for them to do so."
You were just outmaneuvered and outlawyered by Barr, you POS.

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Weissmann whined that Mueller and the Democrat hack lawyers working on the Russia probe were under constant threat of being fired by President Trump as Richard Nixon had fired Archibald Cox.
What a joke.
Mueller was an inferior in the Justice Department who was harassing the President of the United States with a fishing expedition based on a Hillary Clinton-funded dossier.
LINK
So is this asshat claiming that there is actual evidence of Trump/Russia collusion? Because that was what Mueller was put in place to do: investigate Trump/Russia collusion.

Anything else he is pushing for is simply sour grapes that they didn't squeeze more people harder to get some kind of process crime that he knows, just knows, is there. What he really wants is an interminable Inquisition against a president that he disagrees with politically because he knows that the powers of a prosecutor are almost unlimited and can be used to destroy anyone's life, which is what he wants to do to Trump merely because he disagrees with him politically.

Basically that makes him the worst kind of person.
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Basically that makes him the worst kind of person.


unfortunately, from what i've seen, it just makes him a run-of-the-mill united states prosecutor.
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ruddyduck said:

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Basically that makes him the worst kind of person.


unfortunately, from what i've seen, it just makes him a run-of-the-mill united states prosecutor.
And just a standard liberal Democrat.
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will25u said:


Someone needs to get their f***ing foot off the gd brake OR get tha f*** outta tha way...and I mean, like yesterday! Hang some d**n f***ers and let em rot for everyone to see.

Edit - rant typo

ETA - I'm no lawyer or former LEO, so I don't know or understand how investigations, grand juries, etc. work...but, in my heyday I could get things done and entice others to move obstacles in order to make things happen. Didn't make many friends and did make some enemies...some appreciated my style/to my benefit...others didn't/to my detriment. You win some (hopefully the important ones) and will lose some (hopefully those that don't really matter). "Make it happen or pack your s**t, either way, get a move on!"

Oh...and I haven't had a 'snort'...yet.
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Who knows what she is talking about, but one can hope.

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All the swamp rats are writing books. Someone must be paying these people good money to smear the Trump administration.

When will Vidman's book be coming out? I predict it will be written.

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will25u said:

Who knows what she is talking about, but one can hope.



It's more than likely the Biden Ukraine report she is referencing.
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