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If you have 80 minutes, this is worth watching -- worth it's own thread -- just released about 4 hours ago & will likely soon be scrubbed. The Shadow Government.

Remember the private contractors & the unauthorized 702 queries? Peanuts. These 2 'whistleblowers' claim there are patches to the NSA data collection base where real-time data is continuously being downloaded to servers outside the US. There it is analyzed by private security-intelligence companies who compile data at the personal-individual level & have at their disposal, military-grade PSYOP algorithms, the latter which then can be used for a wide variety of nefarious operations such as blackmailing public figures & politicians, influencing elections & controlling public sentiment via social media & the MSM, etc. It's too much information to even summarize, but for our purposes, this is where Steele Dossier material originated. It's also how the Trump impeachment attempt over Ukraine was orchestrated. It explains the Cambridge Analytica involvement.

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This is perhaps the most terrifying and alarming thing I have watched in a long time. This deserves its own thread.


Must. Watch.

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If someone doesn't have 80 minutes to watch the above, here is a long threadreader which provides a summary + analysis that you can read in roughly 30 minutes:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1294729254840799232.html

After watching the documentary or reading the summary, you will understand why Trump is considering a pardon for Edward Snowden.

Note: BTW, the gal who produced the documentary, Millie Weaver, has been arrested on bogus charges.

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2020-08-14/senate-committee-sought-investigation-of-bannon-raised-concerns-about-trump-family-testimony

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The Senate Intelligence Committee has sent a bipartisan letter to the Justice Department asking federal prosecutors to investigate Stephen K. Bannon, a former Trump confidant, for potentially lying to lawmakers during its investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The letter, a copy of which was reviewed by The Times, was signed by the panel's then-chairman, Republican Sen. Richard M. Burr, and its ranking Democrat, Sen. Mark Warner.

It also raised concerns about testimony provided by family members and confidants of President Trump that appeared to contradict information provided by a former deputy campaign chairman to Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III. Those it identified as providing such conflicting testimony were the president's son Donald Trump Jr., his son-in-law Jared Kushner, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former White House Communications Director Hope Hicks.

The letter, which has not before been made public, was sent July 19, 2019, to Deborah Curtis, a top prosecutor in the U.S. attorney's office in Washington. It is not clear what action the Justice Department has taken on the referral. Kerri Kupec, a Justice Department spokeswoman, declined to comment.

"As you are aware, the Committee is conducting an investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election," the letter states. "As part of that inquiry, and as a result of witness interviews and document production, we now have reason to believe that the following individuals may have committed a criminal act."

The letter then names Bannon, the chief executive of the 2016 Trump campaign and later a top White House strategist, and two other men -- Erik Prince, a private security contractor, and Sam Clovis, who served as co-chairman of Trump's campaign......

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Letter from July 19, 2019...criminal referrals. The old back-channel hoax again...something which occurred AFTER the Election, remember? Just goes to show what a snake-pit the SSCI is, especially Burr & Warner. (You don't suppose the Trump Transition Team knew that they were being illegally surveilled by the Deep State per Admiral Rogers' warning to Trump & were looking for a secure communications network.)

IMO this is likely an intentional leak via the SSCI. There is too much smoke over the James Wolfe leak of Carter Page's FISA to his lady friend...a few characters on the SSCI must be worried; Burr & Warner for certain, perhaps Rubio is in on it too.

Andy McCarthy weighs in on the Clinesmith case. This caught my attention.

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As I related in Ball of Collusion, at the time the Trump-Russia investigation was being conducted, FARA had nearly never been regarded as grist for criminal prosecution. In the half century preceding its sudden invocation by Mueller prosecutors, the Justice Department had only charged FARA seven times, with just three convictions. Instead, it was DOJ practice to encourage people doing work for covered foreign powers or entities to comply with the law, not to indict them for failure to do so.

If an incumbent administration is going to authorize an investigation of its political opposition, there must be serious, compelling grounds otherwise, that is Watergate-style interference in our democratic process. It is thus astonishing that the Obama administration would open a criminal investigation against its political opposition based on statutes that were not generally regarded as serious, prosecutable crimes.

In the Trump-Russia investigation, the FBI resorted to FARA and the even more absurd Logan Act (in connection with Michael Flynn), which is prosecuted even less frequently than FARA never a single indictment in the history of the Justice Department. Otherwise, the FBI relied on FISA, on the premise that Trump campaign officials, and the campaign itself, were clandestine agents of Russia, complicit in the Kremlin's cyberespionage. This outlandish claim was supported by scant evidence and Democratic Party opposition research. Durham's continuing investigation is trying to establish how and why that happened.

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One more aspect of the charge filed by U.S. Attorney Durham is intriguing. He describes the Bureau's Trump-Russia probe as a criminal investigation from the start:

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On July 31, 2016, the FBI opened a Foreign Agents Registration Act ("FARA") investigation known as Crossfire Hurricane into whether individual(s) associated with the Donald Trump for President Campaign were witting of and/or coordinating activities with the Russian government.

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Yet, when then FBI director James Comey (quite stunningly) acknowledged the investigation in March 2017 public testimony before the House Intelligence Committee, he described it as a counterintelligence investigation:

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I have been authorized by the Department of Justice to confirm that the FBI, as part of our counterintelligence mission, is investigating the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election and that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts.

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Comey subsequently added, "As with any counterintelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed." As I have previously countered, that is not exactly right.

The Justice Department generally considers it an abuse if counterintelligence surveillance authorities (which do not require proof of probable cause of a criminal-law violation) are exploited to steer criminal investigations (which do). What I believed Comey was referring to is the unremarkable fact that, if in the course of a legitimate non-criminal investigation, agents stumble upon criminal conduct, they are not required to ignore it. But it is not a regular aspect of a counterintelligence investigation to assess the intelligence gathered to determine whether crimes were committed.

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One June 19, while still running down details in preparation to be the affiant on the fourth FISA warrant, the SSA sent an instant message to Clinesmith, asking whether he'd gotten an update on whether Page had been a CIA source. Clinesmith responded that he'd learned Page was a "subsource" and "was never a source." The criminal information does not explain what is meant by "subsource," but the assertion that Page had never been a source was false. So was Clinesmith's additional emphatic assertion that the CIA "confirmed explicitly he (Page) was never a source."

Clinesmith was told that the SSA wanted that in writing. Clinesmith replied that he would forward to the SSA the email exchange he had just had with the CIA. But before forwarding it, Clinesmith doctored it.

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The Justice Department generally considers it an abuse if counterintelligence surveillance authorities (which do not require proof of probable cause of a criminal-law violation) are exploited to steer criminal investigations (which do). What I believed Comey was referring to is the unremarkable fact that, if in the course of a legitimate non-criminal investigation, agents stumble upon criminal conduct, they are not required to ignore it. But it is not a regular aspect of a counterintelligence investigation to assess the intelligence gathered to determine whether crimes were committed.

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Using counterintelligence to fish for a crime without probable cause ... huge loophole without an easy fix. Abuse gets a wink and a hand-slap (maybe).

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aggiehawg said:

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The Justice Department generally considers it an abuse if counterintelligence surveillance authorities (which do not require proof of probable cause of a criminal-law violation) are exploited to steer criminal investigations (which do). What I believed Comey was referring to is the unremarkable fact that, if in the course of a legitimate non-criminal investigation, agents stumble upon criminal conduct, they are not required to ignore it. But it is not a regular aspect of a counterintelligence investigation to assess the intelligence gathered to determine whether crimes were committed.

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Using counterintelligence to fish for a crime without probable cause ... huge loophole without an easy fix. Abuse gets a wink and a hand-slap (maybe).

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I have been screaming about this on this thread since it started. The only crimes that should ever result from a counter-intel operation must be directly related to terrorism or espionage. That's still a pretty wide net as it could encompass RICO and money laundering, wire fraud, etc.

Another good thread by @drawandstrike (Brian Cates) about the new revelations in the Mueller sham and why he thinks it went from a criminal investigation(no there there) to a CI.

https://www.redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2020/08/16/there-is-a-big-cya-footnote-in-the-mueller-report-that-attempts-to-put-distance-between-clinesmith-and-special-counsel-prosecutors/

Mueller knew about Clinesmith's deception well before he issued his final report. So what did Mueller do? He included a footnote in his report stating that although a 'FBI attorney' worked for the SCO on FBI matters, this 'FBI attorney' was under 'FBI supervision', not the SCO's. Classic CYA. The above article explains it in detail, along with a h/t to Sundance. The Mueller Investigation was corrupt -- read the article posted just above this entry which also discusses Mueller corruption. Hopefully Durham is on the trail -- we can only hope, but the way Wiessmann has been squealing on Twitter, methinks he is worried about Durham.

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Using counterintelligence to fish for a crime without probable cause ... huge loophole without an easy fix. Abuse gets a wink and a hand-slap (maybe).

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I have been screaming about this on this thread since it started. The only crimes that should ever result from a counter-intel operation must be directly related to terrorism or espionage. That's still a pretty wide net as it could encompass RICO and money laundering, wire fraud, etc.

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Indeed, you've been on this since day-one. Not sure how to stop rogue surveillance though ... particularly when criminal intent would be so difficult to prove as the root cause of a crime's discovery using counter-intel.

Okay guys, does criminal intent only count for government employees, or are the fines and imprisonment just worse for intent?

In going back to the Clinton email fiasco, the country was beat to death with "no intent", and as a result, seemingly no crime, and certainly no punishment. I understand intent would suggest premeditation for any crime, but I saw intent mentioned with the Clinesmith news on Friday. His attorneys statements don't count, since he was being a representative attorney, and his public statements were horse crap.

I'll give you my benighted legal view, which means a crime according to US statute is just that, a crime. So does intent extend and enhance the indictment? If intent is included in the indictment, is it more difficult to convict? I would think so.

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I think the DNC (FBI & others) know the Russians didn't steal them...they just needed a plausible scapegoat that the illiterate electorate wouldn't dispute.

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Of course they knew, that the Russians didn't steal them. They had Seth Rich killed because they knew he had pulled them. Bill Binney confirmed the transfer was from inside,

They wanted to pin it on the Russians because of all the Ukraine connections, (WHICH I CALLED WAY BACK WHEN)

BTW, to give y'all an idea how in the dark I've been most of my life, I didn't even really know what a counter-intel operation was before this stated 3 1/2 years ago. I just didn't care to learn. I always assumed most FBI and CIA type operations were criminal.

I've said this before, but my legal education has been elevated by huge leaps. Of course, when it starts in the basement, it's a long climb up the stairs.

Now, apply that to the other 90% of the country, or maybe I AM the other 90% of the country, and we have one of our answers on why Americans really don't know what the hell is going on.

Don't be so hard on yourself. You catch on quite fast and ask salient and astute questions. At least you are willing to learn. There's no such thing as a dumb question. (Well, most of the time anyway.)

Spycraft is a business deliberately shrouded in secrecy and shadows, head fakes, disinformation, psyops etc. very little is as it appears at first blush. That's by design. The ability to analyze events from multiple angles is why the CIA likes to recruit from law schools. I had an interview but the job would have been in DC and I didn't want to move there, so that interview ended pretty quickly.

Sometimes wonder what might have been. To be clear, never wanted to be a field agent but an analyst position could have been fascinating.

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Okay guys, does criminal intent only count for government employees, or are the fines and imprisonment just worse for intent?

In going back to the Clinton email fiasco, the country was beat to death with "no intent", and as a result, seemingly no crime, and certainly no punishment. I understand intent would suggest premeditation for any crime, but I saw intent mentioned with the Clinesmith news on Friday. His attorneys statements don't count, since he was being a representative attorney, and his public statements were horse crap.

I'll give you my benighted legal view, which means a crime according to US statute is just that, a crime. So does intent extend and enhance the indictment? If intent is included in the indictment, is it more difficult to convict? I would think so.

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Intent isn't required for a lot of crimes, particularly for officers of the court, regarding things like false statements, or mis-handling of classified documents.

Mens Rea, or mental state, is another element that often is translated in analyses to intent, and was inappropriately applied to HRC as to her illegal mishandling of classified documents. This was roundly criticized in objective legal circles. Her treatment (how she was investigated, and excused), and in fact the treatment of her whole coterie by the FBI, was wrong and scandalous.

I'd recommend you read shipwreckedcrew and Andrew McCarthy on Clinesmith's attorney's pathetic statements on Friday. I think he was wrongly put on the (Page FISA) case (as a junior attorney) and bullied perhaps into some stupid actions, and as well he has terrible legal representation today. Regardless of that, he's an idiot who deserves prison time and loss of his law license, and I hope that happens asap.

Thanks, fellers.

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(Well, most of the time anyway.)

Hawg, I got a chuckle out of your comment above.

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BTW, I'm sitting here watching The Verdict, which I haven't seen in 20 years. I'm sure being an alcoholic/addict of sorts, has a similar percentage in all industries, but It's probably a little higher in the legal field.

Every time I see Adam Schiff I want to start taking Oxycontin.

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Okay guys, does criminal intent only count for government employees, or are the fines and imprisonment just worse for intent?

In going back to the Clinton email fiasco, the country was beat to death with "no intent", and as a result, seemingly no crime, and certainly no punishment. I understand intent would suggest premeditation for any crime, but I saw intent mentioned with the Clinesmith news on Friday. His attorneys statements don't count, since he was being a representative attorney, and his public statements were horse crap.

I'll give you my benighted legal view, which means a crime according to US statute is just that, a crime. So does intent extend and enhance the indictment? If intent is included in the indictment, is it more difficult to convict? I would think so.

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Shouldn't intent be treated the same as ignorance, as in ignorance of the law is not a valid defense?

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If you have 80 minutes, this is worth watching -- worth it's own thread -- just released about 4 hours ago & will likely soon be scrubbed. The Shadow Government.

Remember the private contractors & the unauthorized 702 queries? Peanuts. These 2 'whistleblowers' claim there are patches to the NSA data collection base where real-time data is continuously being downloaded to servers outside the US. There it is analyzed by private security-intelligence companies who compile data at the personal-individual level & have at their disposal, military-grade PSYOP algorithms, the latter which then can be used for a wide variety of nefarious operations such as blackmailing public figures & politicians, influencing elections & controlling public sentiment via social media & the MSM, etc. It's too much information to even summarize, but for our purposes, this is where Steele Dossier material originated. It's also how the Trump impeachment attempt over Ukraine was orchestrated. It explains the Cambridge Analytica involvement.

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This is perhaps the most terrifying and alarming thing I have watched in a long time. This deserves its own thread.


Must. Watch.

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If someone doesn't have 80 minutes to watch the above, here is a long threadreader which provides a summary + analysis that you can read in roughly 30 minutes:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1294729254840799232.html

After watching the documentary or reading the summary, you will understand why Trump is considering a pardon for Edward Snowden.

Note: BTW, the gal who produced the documentary, Millie Weaver, has been arrested on bogus charges.

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the video is gone now

Yes, the video was banned for "Hate Speech". If you want to see it, it's available on alternate media. See below:

BTW, her next production will be on Epstein.

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drcrinum said:

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If you have 80 minutes, this is worth watching -- worth it's own thread -- just released about 4 hours ago & will likely soon be scrubbed. The Shadow Government.

Remember the private contractors & the unauthorized 702 queries? Peanuts. These 2 'whistleblowers' claim there are patches to the NSA data collection base where real-time data is continuously being downloaded to servers outside the US. There it is analyzed by private security-intelligence companies who compile data at the personal-individual level & have at their disposal, military-grade PSYOP algorithms, the latter which then can be used for a wide variety of nefarious operations such as blackmailing public figures & politicians, influencing elections & controlling public sentiment via social media & the MSM, etc. It's too much information to even summarize, but for our purposes, this is where Steele Dossier material originated. It's also how the Trump impeachment attempt over Ukraine was orchestrated. It explains the Cambridge Analytica involvement.

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This is perhaps the most terrifying and alarming thing I have watched in a long time. This deserves its own thread.


Must. Watch.

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If someone doesn't have 80 minutes to watch the above, here is a long threadreader which provides a summary + analysis that you can read in roughly 30 minutes:


After watching the documentary or reading the summary, you will understand why Trump is considering a pardon for Edward Snowden.


Note: BTW, the gal who produced the documentary, Millie Weaver, has been arrested on bogus charges.

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the video is gone now

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yep, the truth is a violation of youtubes terms

Steele's a Brit citizen. Extradition will be a problem.

Retweet chain by Sidney.

I know.

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I know.

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Oh boy
/now it's back?/

Didn't that guy have some questionable stuff in the Enron deal? Does anyone need to burn more than him?

Destroyed Arthur Anderson didn't he????

At least a partial explanation of Millie Weaver's arrest on Friday.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/08/millie_weaver_faces_her_first_court_hearing_this_morning_after_being_arrested_and_jailed_last_friday.html

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drcrinum said:

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If you have 80 minutes, this is worth watching -- worth it's own thread -- just released about 4 hours ago & will likely soon be scrubbed. The Shadow Government.

Remember the private contractors & the unauthorized 702 queries? Peanuts. These 2 'whistleblowers' claim there are patches to the NSA data collection base where real-time data is continuously being downloaded to servers outside the US. There it is analyzed by private security-intelligence companies who compile data at the personal-individual level & have at their disposal, military-grade PSYOP algorithms, the latter which then can be used for a wide variety of nefarious operations such as blackmailing public figures & politicians, influencing elections & controlling public sentiment via social media & the MSM, etc. It's too much information to even summarize, but for our purposes, this is where Steele Dossier material originated. It's also how the Trump impeachment attempt over Ukraine was orchestrated. It explains the Cambridge Analytica involvement.

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This is perhaps the most terrifying and alarming thing I have watched in a long time. This deserves its own thread.


Must. Watch.

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If someone doesn't have 80 minutes to watch the above, here is a long threadreader which provides a summary + analysis that you can read in roughly 30 minutes:


After watching the documentary or reading the summary, you will understand why Trump is considering a pardon for Edward Snowden.


Note: BTW, the gal who produced the documentary, Millie Weaver, has been arrested on bogus charges.

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the video is gone now

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yep, the truth is a violation of youtubes terms

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I was pretty sure that video was not going to last. I downloaded a copy in .mp4 before Youtube memory-holed it. If anyone is interested in having a copy I'll be glad to upload it to a Dropbox account.