Nobody is surprised by this ruling.

drcrinum said:

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Nobody is surprised by this ruling.

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The sentencing will take place Thursday, but will be suspended until the ruling on the new trial plays out.

drcrinum said:

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Nobody is surprised by this ruling.

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Fake news.

Motion for new trial hasn't been ruled on.

That tweeter & article are hilariously bad

Isn't a "motion" just a request for the judge to act on something? Secondly, like many here, I have absolutely zero issue with Stone being guilty, but the optics regarding the jury foreman looks AWFUL.

Having said that, I don't see why Jackson doesn't deny all motions, sentence Stone to all 9 years, and be done with it. Yes, it's a horribly unfair situation, but by Friday, no one will give a damn. All of us conservatives will ***** and moan, but it doesn't seem anyone in the DOJ gives a damn, or if they do, are afraid to follow up.

Yes, I know, cynical morning.

Your right. She hasn't ruled on granting a new trial. The above is part of a thread by someone at the trial. It just seems strange (to us non legals) why she wants to sentence him before considering on whether or not to grant a new trial.

the reason is likely already scheduled and it doesn't make a difference to the motion for new trial whether sentencing is tomorrow or in two months.

Stone will remain free until that new motion is ruled on.

I don't know whether sentencing is usually postponed in these kind of cases, so no idea if this normal or not.

Sidney Powell's latest memo is worth a read!

Memo or filing? And if memo, do you have the link?

will25u said:

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Memo or filing? And if memo, do you have the link?

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The one you posted in Techno_Fog's tweet:

https://www.usatoday.com/documents/6779170-Reply-to-Opposition/

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the reason is likely already scheduled and it doesn't make a difference to the motion for new trial whether sentencing is tomorrow or in two months.

Stone will remain free until that new motion is ruled on.

I don't know whether sentencing is usually postponed in these kind of cases, so no idea if this normal or not.

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Granted it's been a few years for me but my experience was that if one action of the court had the potential to be rendered moot by an outstanding motion, in the interests of the best use of judicial resources would be to delay that action pending outcome of the outstanding motion, or hear them together at a later date. Since the briefing schedule for the motion for new trial has not been completed, it seems a waste to sentence him if there is any question he would be granted a new trial a few weeks from now.

Also she appears to be quite incurious about the withdrawal of the four DOJ attorneys, including Team Mueller members as she has not asked them to appear and explain their perceived need to withdraw. At such a late stage in the proceedings, many federal judges would do so as they still possess the power to overrule their withdrawal, if she found it would further delay the proceedings.

But it's her courtroom, her docket. She can do as she wishes.

Ok, my bad. Didn't know the filing was called a memo. Or maybe I am just all messed up.

will25u said:

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Ok, my bad. Didn't know the filing was called a memo. Or maybe I am just all messed up.

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Please don't take credit for my mistakes/errors.

Dear Jerry Nadler,
If you or members or your committee have any info which may be of interest regarding corruption in Ukraine, please feel free to contact either of the designated US attorneys working in that realm as appropriate.

Oh really... This is my shocked face.

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Oh really... This is my shocked face.

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2016? Would those be documents regarding another matter?

Confused.

will25u said:

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Oh really... This is my shocked face.

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Sure hope the NSA still has those.

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That's a no no. Special Counsel time? Targets: McCabe, Baker, Comey, Strzok, Page, Somma, Pientka and Brennan for starters.

Brian Cates breaking down the beginnings of Russia Russia Russia based on the new filing by Powell.

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As someone on here often posts:

Wake me up when somebody goes to jail

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From the 30,000 foot level, all of the caterwauling about Barr right now, is practically begging for him to do an end round run by appointing a Special Counsel under DOJ rules codified in the C.F.R. That also fits perfectly into DOJ declining prosecution of McCabe for lying about the leaks. They could be planning a hand-off to a Special Counsel.

Barr is an excellent lawyer, if slightly less Machiavellian than myself. He kicks this to someone else he trusts and closely oversees the process. Removes a big headache for himself.

In the classic be-careful-what-you-wish-for, Dems need to step back for a second and think about it again.

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Aggiebrewer said:

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As someone on here often posts:

Wake me up when somebody goes to jail

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From the 30,000 foot level, all of the caterwauling about Barr right now, is practically begging for him to do an end round run by appointing a Special Counsel under DOJ rules codified in the C.F.R. That also fits perfectly into DOJ declining prosecution of McCabe for lying about the leaks. They could be planning a hand-off to a Special Counsel.

Barr is an excellent lawyer, if slightly less Machiavellian than myself. He kicks this to someone else he trusts and closely oversees the process. Removes a big headache for himself.

In the classic be-careful-what-you-wish-for, Dems need to step back for a second and think about it again.

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If he does pick a special prosecutor, it needs to be someone from outside D.C. and I'd even say preferably from outside the DOJ.

Perhaps a current or former state AG with experience in investigating and prosecuting public corruption cases.

Aggiebrewer said:

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As someone on here often posts:

Wake me up when somebody goes to jail

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Bless your heart...

Rapier108 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Aggiebrewer said:

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As someone on here often posts:

Wake me up when somebody goes to jail

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From the 30,000 foot level, all of the caterwauling about Barr right now, is practically begging for him to do an end round run by appointing a Special Counsel under DOJ rules codified in the C.F.R. That also fits perfectly into DOJ declining prosecution of McCabe for lying about the leaks. They could be planning a hand-off to a Special Counsel.

Barr is an excellent lawyer, if slightly less Machiavellian than myself. He kicks this to someone else he trusts and closely oversees the process. Removes a big headache for himself.

In the classic be-careful-what-you-wish-for, Dems need to step back for a second and think about it again.

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If he does pick a special prosecutor, it needs to be someone from outside D.C. and I'd even say preferably from outside the DOJ.

Perhaps a current or former state AG with experience in investigating and prosecuting public corruption cases.

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Gowdy would fit the bill.

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Rapier108 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Aggiebrewer said:

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As someone on here often posts:

Wake me up when somebody goes to jail

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From the 30,000 foot level, all of the caterwauling about Barr right now, is practically begging for him to do an end round run by appointing a Special Counsel under DOJ rules codified in the C.F.R. That also fits perfectly into DOJ declining prosecution of McCabe for lying about the leaks. They could be planning a hand-off to a Special Counsel.

Barr is an excellent lawyer, if slightly less Machiavellian than myself. He kicks this to someone else he trusts and closely oversees the process. Removes a big headache for himself.

In the classic be-careful-what-you-wish-for, Dems need to step back for a second and think about it again.

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If he does pick a special prosecutor, it needs to be someone from outside D.C. and I'd even say preferably from outside the DOJ.

Perhaps a current or former state AG with experience in investigating and prosecuting public corruption cases.

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Gowdy would fit the bill.

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Gowdy would be seen as too partisan.

He's talked a good game for years, but he hasn't actually uncovered anything.

aggiehawg said:

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From the 30,000 foot level, all of the caterwauling about Barr right now, is practically begging for him to do an end round run by appointing a Special Counsel under DOJ rules codified in the C.F.R. That also fits perfectly into DOJ declining prosecution of McCabe for lying about the leaks. They could be planning a hand-off to a Special Counsel.

Barr is an excellent lawyer, if slightly less Machiavellian than myself. He kicks this to someone else he trusts and closely oversees the process. Removes a big headache for himself.

In the classic be-careful-what-you-wish-for, Dems need to step back for a second and think about it again.

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Durham is almost de facto Special Counsel as is ... just change his job title.

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Gowdy would fit the bill.

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Gowdy could theoretically be on the team if he so desires but as a former elected politician, he himself has said it would be unseemly for him to be appointed as Special Counsel. Would over politicize the process. Besides, he would be more valuable as a fact witness, in my view. Another potential conflict.

The problem in finding a Special Counsel here is it would have to be someone far removed from absolutely every single one of the possible targets. That includes anyone on the Hill who were involved in any of the myriad of investigations. That removes any attorneys in DOJ offices in New York, Virginia, DC and Maryland at a minimum.

I'd love for Andy McCarthy to be appointed but think he has done too much commentary, same with Dershowitz and Ken Starr and the like.

But Barr is old school and has lots of contacts from before who have been out of government for many years. If that is a road he is considering, he probably has one or two people in mind already. Likely from his time on the Office of Legal Counsel. The cream of the crop in legal minds at DOJ.

My .02.

IF Barr appoints a Special Counsel, God forbid it take another 2 1/2 yrs to complete an investigation. I would hope most of the facts/evidence is already in hand.

Did the FISA Judge resign? Is that a new story or is that old news?

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Did the FISA Judge resign? Is that a new story or is that old news?

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The Supervising judge, Rosemary Collyer stepped down, effective in a few weeks, IIRC. But she's definitely either out or on her way out.

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IF Barr appoints a Special Counsel, God forbid it take another 2 1/2 yrs to complete an investigation. I would hope most of the facts/evidence is already in hand.

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Exactly. Enough of the special counsel year(s) long investigations. Investigations are ongoing in multiple districts. Let them play out.

SIAP:

Do y'all think the main reason for Stone's sentence recommendation is just for Dem PR to impeach Barr?

I do.

I strongly suspect all four attorneys spoke to someone, and concocted this idea.

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SIAP:

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Ah the ole Hillary defense.