Disturbing.

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How do we portray the seriousness of this coup attempt to the lay person that doesn't follow politics? This is scary ***** A political party weaponizing the power of the US Federal government against other political parties. From the IRS against the Tea Party to the IG against Trump and everything in between, this is serious stuff, and is a direct threat to the Republic. In this day and age of Political Correctness, how do we effectively portray this message without sounding like drama queens?

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I honestly do not know.

Even this failed to move the needle from over 2 years ago. Most of the youtubes of this interview have been wiped off of the internet, BTW.

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Yeah, I forgot about this clip with both the MSNBC Farkas interview coupled with her walk back interview. I have the same reaction as you. That ii doesnt move the needle is amazing. And further proof that there are numerous forces at work to make sure the "fix is in".

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Horowitz' analysis of potential Russian "disinformation" via Steele is on 193ff. Right off, there is one important difference between his perspective on the predicate for Trump campaign and for Clinton campaign: his concern (and Priestap's) concern was whether "Russian" information being given to Clinton campaign was true or not ("disinformation"), whereas the concern in respect to information supposedly being given to Trump campaign was whether it was "damaging". Ironically, damaging information about Clinton campaign was true, whereas damaging information about Trump campaign (given to Clinton campaign) was false - tho this doesn't seem to have been a concern for FBI.

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Double standards equals bias.

That Farkas lady is running for congress

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Because the same people signed off on multiple FISAs in this deal, and she probably approved them.

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This. She can only come out of this corrupt or incompetent. Neither wear well and both explain her sudden 'cough cough' health issues.

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Does a nobody like me need to point out that the Supreme Court should get involved or can they figure this out on their own?

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If Nellie Ohr used her amateur radio license to communicate covertly the chances of anyone noticing the transmissions would be very slim. Even if someone was listening at the right place and recording encrypted packets they would have to crack the encryption to read the data. Even then they would not know with certainly who was sending nor from exactly where.

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/special-live-event-plot-against-president-rayappletonkmj/id1433992718?i=1000460307800

Good interview involving Nunes & Lee Smith. Interesting to hear their perspectives + a few new things.

Few notes:
Nunes: start at the 40:00 mark:
Says he can promise you that the same people spying on Page & Papadopoulos in August, September & October were spying in June & July before Crossfire Hurricane opened.

Smith: start at the 41:30 mark:
Has seen documents where 'they' (Fusions GPS etc.) were investigating links between Trump & organized crime in April/May of 2016, & then suddenly in June it goes to links between Trump & Russian state officials...then Steel's first report in June -- did the FBI help direct their research so that they could pursue a counterintelligence investigation?

Other things: Nunes makes comments that Fusion GPS wrote most of the Dossier.

Short thread.

Could we be lucky enough for KellyAnne Conways husband to get caught up in some of this stuff?

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1208841126981120012.html

Interesting thread by McIntyre.
I believe the problem identified was caused by political bias.

Ya think??

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EXCLUSIVE: Crossfire Hurricane Investigation May Have Been a Joint Operation Between the FBI and CIA

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To make the case that the conspiracy to defraud the gov was broader than just FBI leadership .... it would be nice if Durham could prove that other US agencies purposefully withheld or misrepresented facts about the Steele dossier that were then used to obtain FISA warrants.

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EXCLUSIVE: Crossfire Hurricane Investigation May Have Been a Joint Operation Between the FBI and CIA

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To make the case that the conspiracy to defraud the gov was broader than just FBI leadership .... it would be nice if Durham could prove that other US agencies purposefully withheld or misrepresented facts about the Steele dossier that were then used to obtain FISA warrants.

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i think that's why we've been hearing they're going after Brennan's communications. We know he's the one who was spouting the intelligence assessment lie that the idiot concerned moderates on this board were regurgitating. It got the morons in a feeding frenzy.

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If my suspicions are correct [SEE HERE] then Jerry Nadler will respond to the court by saying the HJC needs the 6(e) material to support the obstruction article in a Senate Trial. Per the court deadline, we will know by Monday December 23rd. The obstruction article will then become disposable; it will have fulfilled its purpose.

The original lower court ruling approved the HJC request but limited the scope of the material to only that which Mueller included in his final report. So it's not accidental that Nadler's crew shaped an "obstruction" article considering two-thirds of Mueller's report was structured around wait for it. yep, obstruction.

Conveniently a pending Senate Trial against President Trump for obstruction paves the way for the DC appeals court to rule in favor of the HJC need for supportive evidence.

While twisted, this approach screams Lawfare. that is, to make an indictment and then go fishing for the evidence to support that indictment. Evidence that, not accidentally, carries more political usefulness than the indictment it is intended to support.

Also, it is worth remembering HJC Chairman Jerry Nadler hired Mary McCord as part of his contracted team effort. McCord was the DOJ-NatSec Division head who accompanied Sally Yates to the White House to confront Don McGhan about Lt. Gen. Flynn.

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"I think people do see that this is a critical time in our history," said Mary McCord, a former DOJ official who helped oversee the FBI's probe into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election and now is listed as a top outside counsel for the House in key legal fights tied to impeachment. "We see the breakdown of the whole rule of law. We see the breakdown in adherence to the Constitution and also constitutional values."

"That's why you're seeing lawyers come out and being very willing to put in extraordinary amounts of time and effort to litigate these cases," she added. (link)

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My suspicion is the articles of impeachment are a means to an end, and not the end itself.

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They sure seem to be trying to manipulate the Senate trial into a second fishing expedition for evidence that isn't directly related to what they are actually claiming he did wrong, or at least the opportunity to do so.

These Democrat Savages are going to try every Slime Bucket trick they can scheme up, and then some, all the way to Election Day, and thereafter. They will never stop !

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They sure seem to be trying to manipulate the Senate trial into a second fishing expedition for evidence that isn't directly related to what they are actually claiming he did wrong, or at least the opportunity to do so.

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Problem is that with the House passing the articles of impeachment it is the Senate Judiciary Committee that is the proper party to be requesting the relief, hence the question of mootness.

Dems have kind of messed things up from a legal perspective. Pelosi's withholding of the articles from the Senate or not, neither of the articles directly apply to grand jury material in the Mueller investigation, further weakening their case. So there is a relevancy question as well as the proper party issue.

https://nationalfile.com/exposed-pelosi-jr-worked-in-ukraine-with-accused-fraudster-facing-prison/

Figures. The DNC must maintain a major branch office in the Ukraine.

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These Democrat Savages are going to try every Slime Bucket trick they can scheme up, and then some, all the way to Election Day, and thereafter. They will never stop !

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Yep. If Durham and Barr are getting close to the bottom (or top) of all this, the Dems have nothing to lose. Their best hope is to try and dirty up everyone who would be a possible messenger for the truth in the hopes that it will damage their credibility/believability with the general public.

ETA: How they smeared Nunes is "Exhibit A" of this practice.

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They sure seem to be trying to manipulate the Senate trial into a second fishing expedition for evidence that isn't directly related to what they are actually claiming he did wrong, or at least the opportunity to do so.

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The first thing I though of when reading your post was that the Dems charges are so incredibly nebulous, that anything can fit into their two articles of impeachment.

Secondly, and I have to ask, exactly what is normally acquired in grand juries? Basically, I know they desperately want this information, and short of a military style takeover of the judiciary, have tried everything to get it. But, is it just this grand jury information, or do all grand juries keep information that's wanted by defense?

Nunes implied that Halper was spying on Page in June & July 2016 before Crossfire Hurricane was started by the FBI...so, under whose direction was he working for at that time, CIA or MI6? Or could it have been Hakluyt?

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The committee disagreed, citing the upcoming Senate trial and "ongoing impeachment investigations," as well as the public's "significant interest 'in immediately removing a sitting president whose continuation in office poses a threat to the Nation's welfare.'"

Both sides also faced late-afternoon deadlines in a separate case where the House Judiciary Committee is seeking the secret grand jury material from Mueller's investigation. Such material is generally secret, according to the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which specify certain exceptions including judicial proceedings.

In that case, DOJ lawyers told the court Monday that the House committee request for Mueller grand jury materials is no longer relevant, as the impeachment articles did not involve the Russia probe.

"Neither article of impeachment adopted by the House, however, alleges high crimes or misdemeanors stemming from the events described in the Mueller Report. Accordingly, nothing appears to remain of the Committee's alleged need for the grand-jury materials in the Mueller Report," their filing said.

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So DOJ is arguing the relevancy issue.

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"If McGahn's testimony produces new evidence supporting the conclusion that President Trump committed impeachable offenses that are not covered by the Articles approved by the House, the Committee will proceed accordingly---including, if necessary, by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment," the brief stated, noting that they still have "ongoing impeachment investigations."

The filing did not detail what potential additional articles could be considered, beyond the already-adopted articles alleging abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

Regardless, the brief stated that even if McGahn's testimony does not lead to new articles of impeachment, it could be used in an upcoming Senate trial -- which is on hold pending Speaker Nancy Pelosi transmitting the articles to the chamber -- in relation to the obstruction of Congress allegations that Trump is currently facing.

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I know there is a separate thread on this but since I raised the issue here earlier today, thought I'd link on this thread, too.

What do you see playing out here? Whichever way this decision goes, I assume it would then be off to the SC?

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What do you see playing out here? Whichever way this decision goes, I assume it would then be off to the SC?

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I'm sensing the court won't release the grand jury material but may allow for the McGahn testimony. But whichever way they rule, an appeal to the SCOTUS is likely.

That doesn't mean SCOTUS will agree to hear the appeals though.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1133888675249606656.html

A new thread by Techno_Fog on abuse of FARA legislation by the FBI in order to conduct counterintelligence investigations, a topic we have discussed on more than one occasion.

Also what do they think they'll uncover if he testifies? Is there something I've missed?

2 minute video with Joe about all of the unauthorized searches of the NSA databases for political purposes performed by the Obama Admin beginning in 2012 .

Hawg, will Durham/Barr have the ability to legally secure the SCOPE (?) memos from Rosenstein?

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Hawg, will Durham/Barr have the ability to legally secure the SCOPE (?) memos from Rosenstein?

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They already have them. DOJ government records.

gotta be cgi voice cloning ai software makin up chit that is just to good to be smokin gun William Shatner courtroom antics LA Law hammering Law & Order bad guy cuffed episode.