DannyDuberstein said:

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What do you mean no questions? He walked through the whole scenario with a picture of the floorplan and answered questions all along the way. It actually made a lot of sense to me.

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I believe his account...it fits with everything that has been reported. He is an accidental hero in that his presence upset the apple cart and caused it to go off script.

There are too many issues in the background though that are hanging. I could think of a lot of questions to ask. For instance: Why was he sent to check on the door? Turns out it was because it wouldn't open -- we didn't know that (lots of confusing accounts of a door alarm, and open door, etc. had been reported in the media). Somebody previously had tried to open the door and had reported it. Who? When? What time? Well, a fire door that won't open inside a building is a big deal -- major violation of the fire department codes. It's a red herring. As soon as Campos saw that the door was barred with a metal plate, alarm bells should have gone off. Do you think there were drill shavings on the floor as well? He should have called immediately while standing at the door. He is supposed to be a licensed security guard, meaning he has training/education. Was he? A security guard is supposed to be trained to recognize suspicious behavior/circumstances.

He said in the interview he was confused by the bracket and immediately called safety dispatch. I could see thinking it may have been something the maintenance team may have been working on. So he started immediately investigating why it was there and to get it resolved. Is he supposed to call LVPD or the FBI?

DannyDuberstein said:

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Not getting enough information is a conspiracy. Having something explained clearly is a conspiracy.

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Well, it's now obvious that you were in on the conspiracy.

I think the conspiracy theories are still going because we haven't seen any videos from the casino. If it was only him, then a simple video clip of him walking through the casino with his bags would suffice. Until then, how did he get all those guns up to the room?

Brock Landers said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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If the dude actually had a floor plan diagram and went through it step-by-step on the Ellen Show, that tells me that this is part of an orchestrated cover-up.

He spent the last 4 days in a lawyers conference room getting his s*** in one sock.

WTF? Can this s*** get any more off the rails? I'm starting not to give a s*** anymore because we'll never know what actually happened.

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Wait, providing a visual aid of the scene proves there was a cover-up?

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When the star witness disappears for several days then turns up on the Ellen Show with a visual aid.

Doesn't prove anything. Just sends another jolt to my BS meter which is already pegged out at this point.

It was a basic floorplan. And it was Ellen's. it was simple and helpful. It also did not appear to be rehearsed on his part, or if so, not much.

Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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Brock Landers said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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If the dude actually had a floor plan diagram and went through it step-by-step on the Ellen Show, that tells me that this is part of an orchestrated cover-up.

He spent the last 4 days in a lawyers conference room getting his s*** in one sock.

WTF? Can this s*** get any more off the rails? I'm starting not to give a s*** anymore because we'll never know what actually happened.

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Wait, providing a visual aid of the scene proves there was a cover-up?

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When the star witness disappears for several days then turns up on the Ellen Show with a visual aid.

Doesn't prove anything. Just sends another jolt to my BS meter which is already pegged out at this point.

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Which of these two scenarios seems more likely to you:

1) he wants nothing to do with the publicity for whatever reason (social anxiety, he's still dealing with PTSD, he is a private person, etc.), went dark on the media for a few days, and decides to tell his story on a friendly, softball, feel-good forum like Ellen; or

2) he's some sort of ISIS plant or a Manchurian security guard and was really involved in the shooting, which the FBI/LVPD is covering up for some sinister, yet still unknown, reason

1 is such a buzzkill, dude.

DannyDuberstein said:

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He said in the interview he was confused by the bracket and immediately called safety dispatch. I could see thinking it may have been something the maintenance team may have been working on. So he started immediately investigating why it was there and to get it resolved. Is he supposed to call LVPD or the FBI?

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He had already been outside the door on the stairwell, and he had walked down the corridor to the door leading to the stairwell and nothing was amiss. Nothing even amiss in the alcove between the corridor door and the stairwell fire door...except the metal plate barring the fire door. I think his first reaction should have been: "O s***!" It wasn't. Rather he was confused and assumed it had something to do with maintenance, so he walked out the door and began making his call to the dispatcher as he walked down the corridor. Paddock presumably heard the door slam, saw Campos walking down the corridor talking on his communication device (radio? phone?) via his spy camera set up in the corridor, and decided he had been discovered or was about to be outed...and opened fire.

Ready for a second question: Suppose Campos had been an armed security guard and everything transpired as it did. He would have been able to return fire into the room and may well have subverted the whole insidious operation (or it could have been worse). Why was Campos not an armed security guard? I think some exploring of Campos being an unarmed guard and not an armed guard was warranted during the interview.

I am trying to eat this elephant of a story the only way you can. One bite at a time.
The interview was helpful in that
1) They may have been coached, but they sounded credible
2) They appeared that they are dealing with a tragedy
3) They show who was where and when
4) The diagram was more detailed than what I had seen before (i.e. two sets of doors in stairwell, inner door locked)
5) As much as I want to know EVERYTHING that happened, these guys only told what happened to THEM for about 5-10 minutes
6) Honestly ... they are not dead, so no Clinton involvement suspected at this point

Now if the Sheriff and FBI can spin a good tale of the other 2 hours of hell we will just have to see.

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drcrinum said:

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Do you think there were drill shavings on the floor as well? He should have called immediately while standing at the door. He is supposed to be a licensed security guard, meaning he has training/education. Was he? A security guard is supposed to be trained to recognize suspicious behavior/circumstances.

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You have an inflated idea of the training that security guards go through. Most have little training and just have to pass a background check. Most of these jobs pay just over minimum wage.

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You might wish to check the statutes for the State of Nevada regarding security guards:
https://www.securityguard-license.org/states/nevada-security-guard.html

There are two categories in Nevada, armed vs unarmed, but you must be licensed. There is a difference in training requirements between the two. Read for yourself.

The questions are: Was Campos licensed as a security guard in Nevada, and if so, was it for an armed security guard or an unarmed security guard? I don't think we know since there are questions about the name under which he is registered, if he is registered. He should have been asked that question during the interview.

drcrinum said:

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Ready for a second question: Suppose Campos had been an armed security guard and everything transpired as it did. He would have been able to return fire into the room and may well have subverted the whole insidious operation (or it could have been worse). Why was Campos not an armed security guard? I think some exploring of Campos being an unarmed guard and not an armed guard was warranted during the interview.

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I would bet that the vast majority of security guards in a casino are unarmed. Probably just a few around the cashier's cage are armed. And even if he was armed...he is going to return fire with a 9mm pistol against a guy which in many respects has a rifle caliber automatic weapon? Pretty weak sauce and a good way for him to get killed.

So nothing else being amiss is reason to be alarmed to "oh *****"?

This is a just above minimum wage guard who is eyes and ears only vs a more highly trained (and more expensive) armed officer. The kind of schmoe you send when a door is open. Helpful/efficient to have both.

Here is the diagram - I made it easier to read and added some info from their discussion

Brock Landers said:

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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

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If the dude actually had a floor plan diagram and went through it step-by-step on the Ellen Show, that tells me that this is part of an orchestrated cover-up.

He spent the last 4 days in a lawyers conference room getting his s*** in one sock.

WTF? Can this s*** get any more off the rails? I'm starting not to give a s*** anymore because we'll never know what actually happened.

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Wait, providing a visual aid of the scene proves there was a cover-up?

Maybe, just maybe, we do know the truth. Maybe the truth is that Paddock is the lone shooter. Maybe Campos is just a regular - perhaps not the best - security guard who happens to walk up on a bad situation he wasn't expecting in his wildest imagination. Just a crazy thought I had.

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I don't remeber seeing a step by step floor plan diagram of columbine or any other mass shooting.

IDAGG said:

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drcrinum said:

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And even if he was armed...he is going to return fire with a 9mm pistol against a guy which in many respects has a rifle caliber automatic weapon? Pretty weak sauce and a good way for him to get killed.

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So somebody shoots at you from behind and wounds you, and you have a gun, and then you decide not to shoot back because you are afraid you might get killed????? Sorry...doesn't compute.

IDAGG said:

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drcrinum said:

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Ready for a second question: Suppose Campos had been an armed security guard and everything transpired as it did. He would have been able to return fire into the room and may well have subverted the whole insidious operation (or it could have been worse). Why was Campos not an armed security guard? I think some exploring of Campos being an unarmed guard and not an armed guard was warranted during the interview.

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I would bet that the vast majority of security guards in a casino are unarmed. Probably just a few around the cashier's cage are armed. And even if he was armed...he is going to return fire with a 9mm pistol against a guy which in many respects has a rifle caliber automatic weapon? Pretty weak sauce and a good way for him to get killed.

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We have covered James Murren's security policies at MB/MGM previously on this thread:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/wayne-allyn-root/commentary-more-questions-surrounding-the-las-vegas-strip-shooting/

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Several MGM security guards and ex-security guards have called my radio show in recent days. They described MGM's security as "woefully under trained and understaffed." One ex-MGM security guard called to say Murren's first act in taking over Luxor and Mandalay Bay was to disarm most of the guards and declare MGM hotels "gun-free" zones. Maybe that's why the shooter chose Mandalay Bay.

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WestAustinAg said:

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unmade bed said:

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unmade bed said:

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So the "missing" "illegal alien" "second shooter" was taping a show with Ellen today?

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And I guess this means there was no "FBI ordered" gag order put on Campos by Mandalay Bay. I was hopeful that truepundit.com had quit making up sources after the Hillary/NYPD deal, but i guess they couldn't resist the clicks.

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Pay attention.

The claim was that MGM ordered Campos not to talk to outside media (not that it was a legal gag order demanded by a judge.)

So we have MGM allowing their employee to be interviewed by Ellen Degeneres. Ellen recently signed a huge contract with MGM to put slot machines with her name/likeness into their casinoes. That is a endorsement deal...that makes her an employee of sorts to MGM.

So MGM found literally the safest place on the planet to have an interview that they could 100% control. They chose Ellen. This guy is now saying he won't take anymore interviews.

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I totally believe that MGM doesn't want him going around on TV giving interviews, and they set up the interview with Ellen because of her format type and business connections. They are (rightfully) lawsuit paranoid, and every interview he gives is potentially more fodder for a plaintiff's lawyer. They may feel good about their legal position right now, and don't want him going around and saying something that may change that, either by an in-artfully worded question or answer, or by someone blistering him with gotcha questions. From a liability perspective, the less he says, the better.

Why wouldnt MGM be on crazy lock down with who this guy talks to?!?!?

regardless of what we're seeing is truthful or not, the Ellen Show is such an inappropriate avenue for this. The only worse avenues would be Jerry Springer, Extra! or TMZ TV

Ryno01 said:

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Why wouldnt MGM be on crazy lock down with who this guy talks to?!?!?

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Hundreds of millions of dollars awarded to the victims who sue MGM for lax security, dangerous conditions and not protecting other people from one of their guests, who somehow was given free access to the freight elevators to carry up his 27 guns and thousands of rounds of amunition.

WestAustinAg said:

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unmade bed said:

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unmade bed said:

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So the "missing" "illegal alien" "second shooter" was taping a show with Ellen today?

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And I guess this means there was no "FBI ordered" gag order put on Campos by Mandalay Bay. I was hopeful that truepundit.com had quit making up sources after the Hillary/NYPD deal, but i guess they couldn't resist the clicks.

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Pay attention.

The claim was that MGM ordered Campos not to talk to outside media (not that it was a legal gag order demanded by a judge.)

So we have MGM allowing their employee to be interviewed by Ellen Degeneres. Ellen recently signed a huge contract with MGM to put slot machines with her name/likeness into their casinoes. That is a endorsement deal...that makes her an employee of sorts to MGM.

So MGM found literally the safest place on the planet to have an interview that they could 100% control. They chose Ellen. This guy is now saying he won't take anymore interviews.

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Good find...

Olag00 said:

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I think the conspiracy theories are still going because we haven't seen any videos from the casino. If it was only him, then a simple video clip of him walking through the casino with his bags would suffice. Until then, how did he get all those guns up to the room?

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Let's say for a moment there was someone helping him ferry in the firearms. Now, let's say the FBI have ID'd that person and are following up on leads to obtain further explanation for what happened. Maybe they think it's in the best interest of the investigation not to reveal this information to the general public. I know it's not the most exciting scenario, but entirely possible.

primomosquito said:

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Olag00 said:

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I think the conspiracy theories are still going because we haven't seen any videos from the casino. If it was only him, then a simple video clip of him walking through the casino with his bags would suffice. Until then, how did he get all those guns up to the room?

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Let's say for a moment there was someone helping him ferry in the firearms. Now, let's say the FBI have ID'd that person and are following up on leads to obtain further explanation for what happened. Maybe they think it's in the best interest of the investigation not to reveal this information to the general public. I know it's not the most exciting scenario, but entirely possible.

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That is obviously one of the reasons they haven't released the videos among others probably. Until they do the conspiracy theories will continue which is what my post is about.

Meh. I can imagine a scenario where he gets pulled over by LVPD next week in his brand new Escalade.

Ryno01 said:

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I would think Jesus Campos is now a MGM employee for life

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About 6 months from now Jesus will go on a camping trip, a la Vince Foster.