Shooting in Las Vegas

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BigHitterDaLama said:

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I've been telling folks this all day. What if he wasn't the shooter? What if the killer slipped away somehow and his body was left for the cops to discover? It's not completely out there if you start adding up the story.
Not too far fetched.....



Cameras would sort that out in no time.
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I doubt it. Unless they were in his Beautiful Mind head. My guess was he thought LEO wouldn't find him for a long time (or until after crowd had dispersed and he did whatever was next)

Still doesn't make sense though. He was intelligent.

That many rifles and ammunition but not remotely detonated devices? No RPGs? But he went all out with automatic gunfire. I dunno, this is all very puzzling and I doubt it will ever be laid to rest
Just as plausible as anything, given his family history. It used to be a shameful thing to admit that one had an insane relative because it was deemed hereditary at the time. But although not a dominant and other factors come into play, now we know some mental illnesses have a genetic component.
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TAMUallen said:

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I watched some of those videos earlier. One thing that seemed evident was that, other than general direction of the hotel, people didn't really seem to know where it was coming from. Maybe too much distance and too much other Vegas light to see the muzzle flashes

You're going to have an echo off 2-3 buildings right there, likely what you're hearing.


Can't really tell and have very limited info but looks like there was only one possible source as evidenced by the drunk dude flipping off at the shooter's direction


I too thought it sounded like multiple weapons at once. As far as surrounding buildings, only the Luxor is near by which would've been to his left. Mandalay Bay doesn't have any buildings across from it.
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Just as plausible as anything, given his family history. It used to be a shameful thing to admit that one had an insane relative because it was deemed hereditary at the time. But although not a dominant and other factors come into play, now we know some mental illnesses have a genetic component.
Speaking of relative, a friend called and said that even the brother "seemed a bit off" even allowing for what had happened. Fwiw. This may have been less than 100% surprising to them.
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Aston04 said:

tx4guns said:

I've been telling folks this all day. What if he wasn't the shooter? What if the killer slipped away somehow and his body was left for the cops to discover? It's not completely out there if you start adding up the story.
it was reported a cop was shot when they broke down the door and then he killed himself. It would be one thing if he was already dead when they breached the door. Not enough time/access to get out in that scenario in my opinion.

I've heard it was a Mandalay Bay security guard who was shot in the leg. I am sure two or three of them went up there and retreated after that. We don't know how long after that, that we had the SWAT breach. There are conflicting reports about if he shot himself as the breach happened or if he was dead before.
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Cromagnum said:

BigHitterDaLama said:

tx4guns said:

I've been telling folks this all day. What if he wasn't the shooter? What if the killer slipped away somehow and his body was left for the cops to discover? It's not completely out there if you start adding up the story.
Not too far fetched.....



Cameras would sort that out in no time.
Or you know.. the fact that they found a **** ton of guns at his house.
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Every elevator / front / emergency door and hallway of every casino in Vegas has a camera on it. They'll be able to (and likely already have) reviewed all the tape for the 32nd floor leading to that room from the moment he checked in on the 28th.

They'll know if anyone else helped or if it was all him.


The girlfriend being out of country seems way too convenient to me, hopefully they can get her back to US soil and turn the screws on her.
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Interesting. That seems to have some hints of a little of both of the more likely motives "if agenda involved." Namely, organized crime and something going sour, or Islamic ripples.
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The biggest red flag is that ISIS has claimed they radicalized this dude and devised the plans. They are horrible, but they usually don't claim something that isn't their doing. There are a lot of things they could take credit for, and they don't.
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Blahhead said:

The biggest red flag is that ISIS has claimed they radicalized this dude and devised the plans. They are horrible, but they usually don't claim something that isn't their doing. There are a lot of things they could take credit for, and they don't.
To be fair, it is the largest mass shooting in US History, of course they want their name on it.
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Blahhead said:

The biggest red flag is that ISIS has claimed they radicalized this dude and devised the plans. They are horrible, but they usually don't claim something that isn't their doing. There are a lot of things they could take credit for, and they don't.
Check out dcrinum's link, and remember the issues Duerte of the Philippines has been having fighting trafficing and ISIS both.
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Blahhead said:

The biggest red flag is that ISIS has claimed they radicalized this dude and devised the plans. They are horrible, but they usually don't claim something that isn't their doing. There are a lot of things they could take credit for, and they don't.


They seem to claim everything, including small stabbing attacks. Not sure their claims have any legitimacy without corroboration
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If this does tie back to Philippines and ISIS, gosh that's really bad for ISIS because they'll start seeing MOABs at the least
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Has anyone seen any reports about medication? Wondering simply because I've got several family members that due to age take a variety of prescription drugs for various physical issues. Many of the drugs come with side effects which some times include mental effects. Before my father passed away he was taken a anti-cholesterol drug that caused paranoia. Just wondering if, as the brother kept saying this was out of the blue / not like him, if it could have been instigated by a 65 year old guy having a change in drugs he was taking.
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DannyDuberstein said:

I also wouldn't be surprised if there are some bodies out in the desert that are attributable to this guy. He has a spotless record, but that just means never caught. He's clearly a thorough planner.
Well, he WAS a multi-millionaire with no apparent employment. It only stands to reason that he was ACTUALLY an international assassin-for-hire, right?
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Mental illness is scary stuff.
My grandfather has Alzheimer's and a year ago we took his firearms away for his safety and my grandmothers safety.

Not saying he would have done something but we didn't want to find out either given how much he has changed.

Crazy thing is my grandmother thought we went overboard but my dad just told her we don't want to identify your remains after a terrible incident. Conversation was over after that.

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There's also that lawsuit he filed against the Comsopolitan For negligence- premises liability that was dismissed. I wonder what the details of his case were. Odd.
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titan said:

Blahhead said:

The biggest red flag is that ISIS has claimed they radicalized this dude and devised the plans. They are horrible, but they usually don't claim something that isn't their doing. There are a lot of things they could take credit for, and they don't.
Check out dcrinum's link, and remember the issues Duerte of the Philippines has been having fighting trafficing and ISIS both.

I agree! That was crazy.
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DannyDuberstein said:

I also wouldn't be surprised if there are some bodies out in the desert that are attributable to this guy. He has a spotless record, but that just means never caught. He's clearly a thorough planner.
I doubt he killed anyone before this. Two completely different types of murders....it's one thing to shoot a crowd from a distance and quite another to get up and close and kill an individual. He likely developed this sick fascination of spraying a large crowd from a distance with automatic rifles but would never consider quietly taking out a person he'd have to get up close to and watch die. This event was very impersonal in comparison.
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I'm going with lone wolf, intelligent psychopath with some kind of personal vendetta unless disputing hard facts are released.

The Philippines angle is interesting though in light of current events there.
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The guy was obviously an idiot.

Who plays high stakes video poker?
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That video of Big and Rich singing God Bless America an hour before the shooting is eerie knowing what is about to happen to those people. Everyone was singing along with their phone flashlights waving around.
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Pending additional info, I'm going with a guy that funneled money out of the country to his girlfriend, basically bankrupting himself, then goes out in a blaze of glory against a bunch of second amendment loving, trump voting, country music fans. Leftist media will blame trump and the victims.
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Solid theory. probably to her family.
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Posted in the comments

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/02/asia/manila-philippines-resort-world-isis/index.html

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cle96 said:

There's also that lawsuit he filed against the Comsopolitan For negligence- premises liability that was dismissed. I wonder what the details of his case were. Odd.
It was a slip & fall case.
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I bet there is some kind of pedo or ISIS link to the Philippines. And he probably wanted to go out as "a legend " in Vegas.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-victims/index.html

A little about the victims identified so far.
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A whole lot of women - moms, teachers, actress, lawyer, etc. - and lots from California.

Not exactly the portrait of typical white (male) Trump supporters the sickos hoped for.

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Just an Ag said:

Pending additional info, I'm going with a guy that funneled money out of the country to his girlfriend, basically bankrupting himself, then goes out in a blaze of glory against a bunch of second amendment loving, trump voting, country music fans. Leftist media will blame trump and the victims.
Wonder if they find out he was dying too...
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My cousin's from So Cal love to go to Vegas. It's a 3-4 hour road trip for them, so they make the trip for shows often.

I don't think this is politically motivated.
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Charpie said:

My cousin's from So Cal love to go to Vegas. It's a 3-4 hour road trip for them, so they make the trip for shows often.

I don't think this is politically motivated.

I didn't say it was politically motivated.....

I was referring to the classless Libs yesterday who hoped the dead were all typical Trump supporters because they figured it was a concert of redneck white males.

Like the lawyer lady who was fired, the teacher who said something similar, etc.

Those are the SICKOS I was referring to.

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I think in general, people assume that all country music fans are country bumpkins which simply isn't true anymore. I actually can't stand country music (now...older country is good), but my wife's cousins from the northeast LOVE Luke Bryan, Jason Aldean, and all of the pretty boys of country who are out now. It is ignorant of people like the "teacher" on Twitter who assumes country's entire fan base is full of rednecks from the Bible Belt.

I wish she had the balls to look at the pictures of those people and spew her Twitter message to the victims' kids, siblings, parents and friends. I mean, if you say something, you should stand by it right? Social media has created too many "brave" people who say things with no consequences. In real life people wouldn't say a quarter of the stuff they say online (here included).
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Indeed
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BlueAg2003 said:


I wish she had the balls to look at the pictures of those people and spew her Twitter message to the victims' kids, siblings, parents and friends. I mean, if you say something, you should stand by it right? Social media has created too many "brave" people who say things with no consequences. In real life people wouldn't say a quarter of the stuff they say online (here included).
Absolutely. There is no doubt that social media is amplifying the disagreements within our country by coarsening discussion with bile and anger that as you mention, would never be said face to face.
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