So if it is not the government but MB trying to cover stuff up is it still a conspiracy?

NY post is reporting that Mandalay Bay did NOT call police until after Paddock was firing on the concert, despite maintenance telling them to call cops for shooter on 32nd floor. I wonder did any hotel guests call police?

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Campos reportedly alerted his superiors and informed them about Paddock after being shot by him, but strangely, nobody called the cops, the source said.

In addition, security staffers failed to notify police when Mandalay Bay maintenance engineer Stephen Schuck told them that he, too, was being fired at.

"Call the police, someone is firing a gun up here. Someone is firing a rifle on the 32nd floor down the hallway," Schuck can be heard saying on audio tapes released Wednesday by the hotel.

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http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/mandalay-bay-staffers-didnt-call-cops-after-security-guard-was-shot/

VaultingChemist said:

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Nevada has an Amber Alert system and UNLV has an active shooter system.

Why didn't police use Amber Alert system to notify everyone of the shooter in MB?

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A more appropriate tool might have been a reverse-911 Callout to the area, but I don't think they could have done it quickly enough to have helped prevent gunshot victims.

I agree. Casinos run Vegas and they are calling in every favor they can.


Also I believe the shooter was doing illegal stuff but we will never know.


I guess that may make me a conspiracy theorist.

BlueMiles said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Nevada has an Amber Alert system and UNLV has an active shooter system.

Why didn't police use Amber Alert system to notify everyone of the shooter in MB?

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A more appropriate tool might have been a reverse-911 Callout to the area, but I don't think they could have done it quickly enough to have helped prevent gunshot victims.

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Im not sure they can narrow the alert a specific geographical area by physical location of the phone.

Yeah, I'm definitely open to the idea that he earned his income illegally. I still think there's a chance he did it legitimately, people have made an assload in real estate starting small but then climbing into the right deals in the right markets at the right time (especially on the coasts). But between being a pilot, being a guy that pushed a lot of cash through casinos, and who knows what else, he absolutely could have been earning illegal income. I think the most likely possibility would be run-of-the-mill gambling money laundering. At the same time, I don't buy all of the ISIS, CIA, government conspiracy stuff.

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BlueMiles said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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Nevada has an Amber Alert system and UNLV has an active shooter system.

Why didn't police use Amber Alert system to notify everyone of the shooter in MB?

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A more appropriate tool might have been a reverse-911 Callout to the area, but I don't think they could have done it quickly enough to have helped prevent gunshot victims.

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Im not sure they can narrow the alert a specific geographical area by physical location of the phone.

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Hell I turned off Amber Alerts on my phone - pissed me off in the middle of the night. I know lots of people that turn them off anyway.

Would also love to know how and why someone broke into his house in Reno.

backintexas2013 said:

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So if it is not the government but MB trying to cover stuff up is it still a conspiracy?

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Let's be clear here. There is little doubt that there is massive game of "CYA" taking place right now. Is that unexpected in this scenario? I certainly don't think so? I think that's par for the course these days. That stated, that's a very different animal than a massive government conspiracy to cover the tracks of a government agent gone rogue/arms dealer/ISIS entrapment gone wrong, etc.

backintexas2013 said:

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I agree. Casinos run Vegas and they are calling in every favor they can.


Also I believe the shooter was doing illegal stuff but we will never know.


I guess that may make me a conspiracy theorist.

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Well, mass murder IS illegal!

Good point. I meant before that.

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Still think it was a lone nutbag shooter, but definitely think between the casino and police, the shiftiness we've been seeing relates to ass-covering around how the response went down.

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You could be right. But don't go much further down the road of doubting or you will be ridiculed

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Maybe so. And I'm not even saying they necessarily did anything flat-out wrong or nefarious. But maybe there was a slow reaction. It is a casino with it's own heavy duty security force and the initial inclination to handle things on their own when possible, and there is not the benefit of full information at the time that we have in hindsight. So maybe there was a delayed response while they evaluated with their own security. Then in hindsight given the magnitude of the assault and the microscope you know is going to go with it, you get worried about how things are going to be perceived. Every little thing from response, timeline, your previous interactions with Paddock, etc - you worry about everything being pulled apart and how you are going to look when it is. So wagons get circled and cards get played close to the vest. That does for the casino and local law enforcement.

Gota De Limon said:

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I'm attempting to combat the moonbat conspiracy narrative that has taken over this thread. Sorry if that ruffles your feathers.

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No...it's the personal badgering that ruffles my feathers.

and you aren't changing any loony tunes minds about conspiracies anyway.... just read them as entertainment value. it's a lot easier that way.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Still think it was a lone nutbag shooter, but definitely think between the casino and police, the shiftiness we've been seeing relates to ass-covering around how the response went down.

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I agree. There is industrial strength ass-covering going on. The casino just got exposed for not calling the police after two different employees reported a shooter on the 32nd floor. How long did they delay the response? It was at least 6 minutes correct? I do not want to do the math as you translate that to bodies.

Campos is not registered as a security guard in Nevada...

Just when I think it won't get weirder...it gets weirder...

Part of the challenge is that it's basically at least 3 different "law" enforcement departments involved. Private with the casino, LVPD, probably some Nevada state, then federal. Maybe mix in some gaming authorities too. And likely multiple departments within each. That is a clusterF of its own, allowing for good or partial information to get turned into bad, inaccurate information to get passed along like in the "telephone" game in the first week or so of the investigation.

FireAg said:

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Campos is not registered as a security guard in Nevada...

Just when I think it won't get weirder...it gets weirder...

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I read where a Larry Jesus Campos is and people are speculating it's the same guy. FWIW

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FireAg said:

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Campos is not registered as a security guard in Nevada...

Just when I think it won't get weirder...it gets weirder...

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I read where a Larry Jesus Campos is and people are speculating it's the same guy. FWIW

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I read that the casino security is not in the database.

Could be. They would have to be on file with NV gaming but nobody is going to be dumb enough to release any off the record information and lose risking their job there because those are gravy train jobs.

Probably smart to not give out info on people who are in charge of providing security in a casino.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Still think it was a lone nutbag shooter, but definitely think between the casino and police, the shiftiness we've been seeing relates to ass-covering around how the response went down.

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A "lone" nutbag shooter with 23 rifles and an unknown number of still loaded magazines...

Secolobo said:

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DannyDuberstein said:

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Still think it was a lone nutbag shooter, but definitely think between the casino and police, the shiftiness we've been seeing relates to ass-covering around how the response went down.

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A "lone" nutbag shooter with 23 rifles and an unknown number of still loaded magazines...

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You emphasized the wrong word.....see above.

don't apply logic when dealing with mentally deranged people.

I'm not saying I have a conspiracy theory, but it may be worth noting that the original 9/11 plot was crafted in the Philippines, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and Ramzi Yousef spent a good deal of time in the Philippines, al Qaeda sent money into and out of the Philippines(which helped lead the US to KSM), and the recently disclosed Times Square terror plot involved players in the Philippines.

I was watching "The Road to 9/11" last night, and I didn't realize there were so many ties to radical Islam aside from the more recent activity in one area of the country.

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FireAg said:

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Campos is not registered as a security guard in Nevada...

Just when I think it won't get weirder...it gets weirder...

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I read where a Larry Jesus Campos is and people are speculating it's the same guy. FWIW

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If you go to:
https://nevadapilb.glsuite.us/
and enter the section on work cards for security guards, there is a Larry Jesus Campos who is listed as "active", but it doesn't list any employment since April, 2016.

Thanks. Someone else posted that casino security isn't listed on that and I could see that being correct.

VaultingChemist said:

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BernArnold said:

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VaultingChemist said:

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The Amber Alert originated to save the life of an abducted child. Alerting parents of an active shooter capable of killing their child should be just as important.

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Part of the purpose is also to alert people to things they might otherwise be completely unaware of - child abductions are not widely reported and not immediately reported when time is often critical. Same with the elderly.

I don't think you could turn on any tv or radio station and not be aware of this situation. And breaking news alerts on phones and social media posts were nearly immediate as well. I saw them within minutes. If you didn't know about it....you were asleep and an amber alert wasn't going to matter because you would not see it.

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It is plausible that many lives could have been saved if an Alert had been issued just 3 minutes prior to Paddock shooting at the music festival crowd. At least the people would have known that they were actual gunshots and where they might be coming from.

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Do you think that within 3 minutes of Jesus getting shot, he could radio downstairs and detail what has happened, the hotel could call 911 and provide all necessary details, the 911 center could relay the details to the emergency personnel who will respond, and the police would be able to type out an accurate description of the danger, and transmit the Amber Alert?

Not to mention, they would have to be omniscient to provide a meaningful warning before the gunman started targeting the crowd. After Jesus was shot, any Amber Alert that there was an active shooter firing inside the Mandalay Bay hotel would've driven more people out into the street--straight into the danger.

All of this is moot anyway. They cannot even issue an Amber Alert for a child that is missing without some confirmation that there has been an abduction, for fear that they'll issue the alerts too often for runaways, and people ignore them. A shooting at an adult security guard is even more remote from the intended purpose.

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backintexas2013 said:

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FireAg said:

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Campos is not registered as a security guard in Nevada...

Just when I think it won't get weirder...it gets weirder...

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I read where a Larry Jesus Campos is and people are speculating it's the same guy. FWIW

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If you go to:
https://nevadapilb.glsuite.us/
and enter the section on work cards for security guards, there is a Larry Jesus Campos who is listed as "active", but it doesn't list any employment since April, 2016.

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https://nevadapilb.glsuite.us/Clients/NVPI/Public/EmployeeDetails.aspx?EntityID=1234104&LicenseID=175870

It lists that he was fired April of 2016 and rehired June of 2016. Larry Jesus Campos has an active registration.

Whitetail said:

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drcrinum said:

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backintexas2013 said:

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FireAg said:

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Campos is not registered as a security guard in Nevada...

Just when I think it won't get weirder...it gets weirder...

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I read where a Larry Jesus Campos is and people are speculating it's the same guy. FWIW

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If you go to:
https://nevadapilb.glsuite.us/
and enter the section on work cards for security guards, there is a Larry Jesus Campos who is listed as "active", but it doesn't list any employment since April, 2016.

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https://nevadapilb.glsuite.us/Clients/NVPI/Public/EmployeeDetails.aspx?EntityID=1234104&LicenseID=175870

It lists that he was fired April of 2016 and rehired June of 2016. Larry Jesus Campos has an active registration.

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Sorry, my oversight, you are correct.
Employed by Contemporary Services Corporation which has a Las Vegas Office:
http://www.csc-usa.com/branch-folder/las-vegas/las-vegas-home/

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CSC Las Vegas has been serving Nevada and surrounding cities since 2010. With nearly five decades of experience, CSC expanded to "the entertainment capital of world" and opened the Las Vegas branch in October 2010. Since then, CSC Las Vegas has been providing security and crowd management services for clients in Clark County and the surrounding areas.

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