OilField -Baketball was good! What turned you off? Was it doctrine and which ones, if that was an issue. Were any of your parents members? How old were you when you were baptized? Did the missionaries ever teach you?

Maybe the bogus BOA....??? Just my conjecture..

As good as any of your others, I'm sure.

BOA....Bogus On Arrival!

Both parents are members. None of my 4 siblings stayed with it either. Baptized at 8. Turnoffs? Honestly, there are just too many holes in it for my logic to accept it. btw I feel pretty much the same way about any other church out there. I know a lot of exmormons run out and join another church. I have never been interested in doing that.

In one form or another, Mormon apologetics boils down to 1) personal attacks or 2) the claim that critics have failed to absolutely, 100% prove Mormonism is false. You have seen both tactics in this thread.

The true-believing Mormon tries to wiggle out by saying there's always the possibility (no matter how unlikely or impossible) that the Book Of Abraham might be proved. For example, just because the evidence is overwhelming that the Book of Abraham is a simple burial text, that doesn't mean that somehow, some way, it has a double meaning or that it wasn't really "translated" at all!

Two can play that game, right?

Defenders of the faith have failed to absolutely, 100% prove Joseph Smith was not a fraud. (Actually, they haven't even come close.) So, until they do, I am correct in thinking that Joseph Smith was a leceherous, lying, con man.

See how that works?





A horse is a horse, of course, of course, unless it's a Book of Mormon horse!

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El Sid: In one form or another, Mormon apologetics boils down to 1) personal attacks or 2) the claim that critics have failed to absolutely, 100% prove Mormonism is false. You have seen both tactics in this thread.

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Now you just have to demonstrate your two assertions.

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I have pointed out that you have not even read the articles from which you cut and pasted Dr. Nibley's statements from. If you had, you would have understood the context in which he said them and you would not be making the bankrupt claims you have made.

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garbage.

Then fahraint, feel free to 1)demonstrate that you you have read Dr. Nibley's works and 2) demonstrate your point from such works.

Cold Steel

In 1912 copies of the Book of Abraham Facsimiles were sent to eight of the world's leading Egyptologists - asking each for their assessment of Joseph Smith's interpretation of the papyrus.

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The eight Egyptologists and Semitists who responded were unanimous in their scathing verdict: "Joseph Smith's interpretation of these cuts is a farrago of nonsense from beginning to end," came the report from the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, which added that "five minutes study in an Egyptian gallery of any museum should be enough to convince any educated man of the clumsiness of the imposture; ". . . difficult to deal seriously with Smith's impudent fraud," wrote another from Oxford, England. "Smith has turned the Goddess into a king and Osiris into Abraham." From Chicago, ". . . very clearly demonstrates that he (Joseph Smith) was totally unacquainted with the significance of these documents and absolutely ignorant of the simplest facts of Egyptian Writing and civilization." And from London, ". . . the attempts to guess a meaning are too absurd to be noticed. It may be safely said that there is not one single word that is true in these explanations."

- By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus: A New Look at the Joseph Smith Papyri Part 1 (Chapters 1-4) By Charles M. Larson

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