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Maybe people really dont wake up one morning and decide to be gay.



"There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't."

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Maybe people really dont wake up one morning and decide to be gay.

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Maybe if we identify the genes that make people gay, we can just abort all fetuses that are gay before they are born. Then we won't have to worry about this whole gay/straight issue.



Apollos.ws
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Genetics also plays a role in alcoholism.

A genetic tendency toward a certain behavior does not mean that one must engage in that behavior.

In other words, an person with a genetic tendency towards alcoholism is not denying his true self if he goes on the wagon. He is just making a choice about how he wants to live his life.

Now, we can debate whether a life of drinking is better or worse than a life of homosexual relationships, and I bet it varies from person to person. I imagine there are happy, productive gay people and miserable, destructive gay people - just as there are functioning alcoholics and destructive alcoholics.

The point is NOT to compare gays to alcoholics.

The point is that this kind of genetic tendency, if it exists, does not DEFINE a person. A person always has the right to choose his own behavior.

(Additionally, I think some people turn to homosexuality after childhood abuse. The nature and nurture components surely differ from person to person.)

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if it exists, does not DEFINE a person

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Neither does a person's sexuality. But most people cant see past that.

o3,

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Neither does a person's sexuality. But most people cant see past that.

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You're right. Gays even define themselves by their sexual orientation. They have even created a whole culture around being gay.

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They have even created a whole culture around being gay.

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Perhaps thats due to society's unwillingness to accept people from all walks of life. Gay, black, white, straight, muslim, catholic...



"There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't."

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They have even created a whole culture around being gay.

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just like us Ags. hmmmm....

Is there a genetic tendancy toward being an Ag? Is it found on the white gene?

it's on the maroon gene.

Ok so lets go with this gay gene therory and say that it is true. What then accounts for the unprescedented increase in the number of gays in society at this time? Have this many men always been gay and just stayed in the closet or has some enviromental change triggered a change in genes and thus sexual orientation?

May be the answer lies somewhere in between. Maybe some men are genetically truely gay. Maybe others just have no morals and will do what ever feels good and will test the limits of what society is willing to accept. Being gay is kind of a trendy thing now. If you dont believe it just watch TV and movies.

As for me I believe we are challenged to rise above the desires of the flesh. That is part of the responsibility God has challenged us with resulting from the original sin. Is this fair to deal with? No. Who said life is fair?

The good ol days are just hard times viewed from afar.

I think it is stupid to say that being gay in trendy when they are still being discriminated against so often.

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Perhaps thats due to society's unwillingness to accept people from all walks of life. Gay, black, white, straight, muslim, catholic...

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Where does it end? Should society be more willing to accept pedophiliacs and drug abusers too? Should be also be more willing to accept marriages between brothers/sisters, mothers/sons, and fathers/daughters?

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Bracy, I was offering an explination as to why there is a sub culture.



"There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't."

Two consenting adults should be able to do as they wish behind closed doors as long as no one else's rights are being violated.



"There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't."

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Two consenting adults should be able to do as they wish behind closed doors as long as no one else's rights are being violated.

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Does this include prostitution and drug use?



Apollos.ws
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If you want to outlaw the ill effects of drug use then do so. If a man on pcp confuses me for a giant cockroach and kills me, he should be tried for murder, not the use of pcp. I tend to place too much emphasis on personal responsibility. What should be and what has to be are two very different things.



"There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't."

o3:

My question wasn't directed at you specifically, but to everyone in general.

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If you want to outlaw the ill effects of drug use then do so. If a man on pcp confuses me for a giant cockroach and kills me, he should be tried for murder, not the use of pcp. I tend to place too much emphasis on personal responsibility. What should be and what has to be are two very different things.

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So are you saying that the Government doesn't have legitimate power when it comes to outlawing prostitution and drug use?



Apollos.ws
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If you want to outlaw the ill effects of drug use then do so. If a man on pcp confuses me for a giant cockroach and kills me, he should be tried for murder, not the use of pcp.

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How do you outlaw this ill effect?

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There are a lot of consequences for the drug user beyond killing someone due to hallucination, and the effects are felt by all of society. I assure you that woman pictured is not the only one suffering as a result of her choices.

You also ignored the prostitution question.

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The war on drugs has been widely successful too.

I think I've answered all those questions with my satement: Two consenting adults should be able to do as they wish behind closed doors as long as no one else's rights are being violated.



"There are 10 kinds of people in this world: those who understand binary and those who don't."

Queston 2: Who is trying to outlaw consensual adult homosexual sex?



Apollos.ws
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When I say ill effect I mean those in which youd have legal backing. Being sad/mad/afraid may very well be ill effects but you have no legal recourse. If your actions infringe on someone's rights, then you must pay for that in either civil or criminal court or both.



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Queston 2: Who is trying to outlaw consensual adult homosexual sex?

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No one. Bracy brought up drug use and someone else prostitution when I said that the sub culture is a product of society alienating/rejecting gay people.



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If your actions infringe on someone's rights, then you must pay for that in either civil or criminal court or both.

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Do you think the woman pictured above has the means to make restitution in a civil court? Do you think she'll pay back society for all of the benefits she has received while being an unproductive citizen?

o3 makes valid points.

Look guys....homosexuality has been around since the Ancient Sumerians (that's circa 6,000 BC). In some societies throughout history (Greeks, for instance), it's revered, along with bisexuality. In others, it's a disgrace (Islam, although it's certainly present today). To pretend there's more gay folks around today than before is ridiculous; it's just more acceptable than it ever has been before.

I still can't believe people don't believe this is genetic. Are there some who "pretend"? Duh...of course. Nurturing over nature does sometimes occur, but make no mistake, genetics has a part in it.

Lastly, I realize many of you will agree with this, but say "You don't have to act on it". Maybe you already did, and that was one of the posts I skimmed. FOrgive me. To me, that's a totally different issue than what the original post stated.

I just don't see how you can deny genetics.

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Is there a genetic tendancy toward being an Ag?

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If so I hope it's dominant since I'm engaged to a t-sip. Otherwise I'm going to have to do some serious nurturing to overcome those genetics.

According to Romans 8:9ff, the requirement of the Torah can only be lived out by those who have received the Holy Spirit. So, can an unbeliever who was born with a predisposition for homosexuality overcome their homosexual desires? Probably not.

Even if every state in the U.S. decided to legalize gay marriage, marijuana, abortion on demand, and anything else, it has absolutely no influence on my responsibility to remain obedient to God's commandments. If every person in the world decided to accept homosexuality, it still would not make a difference. Even Elijah thought he was the only one left in the world who remained loyal to God (1 Kings 19:10-14, Romans 11:3). I feel certain too, that it must have felt uncomfortable for Daniel to live in a nation like Babylon.

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So Bracy if I am understanding you correctly then you are saying that only with the Holy Spirit we are all able to live according to the law.

Each and everyone of us is able to change our lives through Jesus Christ. Without him we are left vulnerable to to temptation and following a path of spiritual destruction.

got1forya:

Bingo! That's it exactly.

Bracy,

People stop addictions much of the time without religion.

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People stop addictions much of the time without religion.

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I didn't say "stop addictions," I said that "the requirement of the Torah can only be lived out by those who have received the Holy Spirit." Breaking a habit does not sum up what it means to live a Torah-obedience life.

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Jana:
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I still can't believe people don't believe this is genetic
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Can you prove that it is?

Can a mother's genes predispose one to adultery also? If so, husbands across America now have a great excuse...

My mother's gene's predispose me to beer drinking, barbequeing, watching football, hunting, ski trips with my friends, and working late...No wonder wives don't get along with their mother-in-law.