Methodist Bishops and GWB

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Guadaloop474
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WASHINGTON — Ninety-five bishops from President Bush's church said Thursday they repent their "complicity" in the "unjust and immoral" invasion and occupation of Iraq.

"In the face of the United States administration's rush toward military action based on misleading information, too many of us were silent," said a statement of conscience signed by more than half of the 164 retired and active United Methodist bishops worldwide.

President Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church, according to various published biographies. The White House did not return a request for comment on the bishops' statement.

Although United Methodist leadership has opposed the Iraq war in the past, this is the first time that individual bishops have confessed to a personal failure to publicly challenge the buildup to the war.

The signatures were also an instrument for retired bishops to make their views known, said bishop Joseph H. Yeakel, who served in the Baltimore-Washington area from 1984 to 1996. The current bishop for the Baltimore-Washington area, John R. Schol, also signed the statement.

The statement avoids making accusations, said retired Bishop Kenneth L. Carder, instructor at Duke University's divinity school and an author of the document.

"We would have made the statement regardless of who the president was. It was not meant to be either partisan or to single out any one person," Carder said. "It was the recognition that we are all part of the decision and we are all part of a democratic society. We all bear responsibility."

Stith, who spent more than three years after his retirement working in East Africa -- including with Rwandan refugees -- said going to war over the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks did not solve the real problems behind them.

The real issues are that much of the world lives in poverty, desperation and depression, he said, while an affluent minority of the world often oppresses them. Americans need to take responsibility for their world, Stith said.

"To ignore things and to assume that persons in the government have all knowledge is to reject our franchise and our democracy," Stith said.

About six weeks ago, Carder discussed the idea of a public statement with other colleagues who "had concerns" about the war, and the idea just grew, Carder said.

Last week, the statement circulated during a biannual meeting of the Council of Bishops, "and before the week was out, we had 95 bishops," Carder said.

In their statement, the bishops pledged to pray daily for the end of the war, for its American and Iraqi victims and for American leaders to find "truth, humility and policies of peace through justice."

"We confess our preoccupation with institutional enhancement and limited agendas while American men and women are sent to Iraq to kill and be killed, while thousands of Iraqi people needlessly suffer and die, while poverty increases and preventable diseases go untreated," the statement said.

Some bishops declined to sign their names, although they supported the statement, Carder said.

This week's statement follows years of public opposition to the Iraq war by the church.

In May 2004, the Council of Bishops passed a resolution that "lamented the continued warfare" and asked the U.S. government to seek international help to rebuild Iraq. The church's women's division called for an end to the war in 2002. And in 2001, the church's head of social policy, Jim Winkler, said the push for war was "without any justification according to the teachings of Christ," according to a report by The (London) Observer.

Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls.

About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area.

Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking.

"The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes."


Aggie4Life02
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Just to give you an idea about the direction of the United Methodist Church, the Church's website has in the past months featured Cindy Sheehan at her "prayer vigal" in Crawford, Texas. The story supported her in her "anti-war" protest.

The UMC is very socially liberal, and is in general against War. I personally do not put much stock in the things the UMC says or does. John Wesley would be very disappointed in the direction of his church in my opinion.
Guadaloop474
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Glad the Bishops weren't around at the time of Moses, or they would have condemned the Israelites going to war against to Canaanites for their Promised Land...After all, the Canaanites were attacked first by the Israelites...
Aggie4Life02
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Glad the Bishops weren't around at the time of Moses, or they would have condemned the Israelites going to war against to Canaanites for their Promised Land...After all, the Canaanites were attacked first by the Israelites...


Just goes to show that liberalism, even in religion, is a mental disorder.
muster ag
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That justifies War?
Aggie4Life02
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Are you saying the War in Iraq is unjustified?
Flounder
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You all are aware that the leadership of nearly every major Christian denomination (save the SBC) opposed U.S. action in Iraq. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and Pope JPII were especially vocal in their condemnation of the war.
Aggie4Life02
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You all are aware that the leadership of nearly every major Christian denomination (save the SBC) opposed U.S. action in Iraq.


I'm not sure if I agree with this. I could be wrong though.
Guadaloop474
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The beef I have with religious leaders opposing the war in Iraq is that it empowers Saddam to say "You see, I was right. Even though I rape and torture and murder and commit genocide on my own people, the leaders of Christianity all say that I should still be in power."

To me, it's giving aid and comfort to our enemy during wartime. Imagine if the Bishops had come out opposing WWII during 1939-1945 and therefore giving Hitler a wedge to use against the Allies...
NoACDamnit
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So did you call out the pope when he didn't support the war?
Guadaloop474
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Yes NoAC - I called him up at 1-800-VATICAN and told him exactly how the cow eats the cabbage.

His personal view of the war was not an infallible ex-cathedra statement of belief, so we Catholics are all free to disagree on it.
blueagman
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I don't know about you, but wouldn't Jesus be against war? You know the whole turn the other cheek things and whatnot?

The New Testament is pretty much full of stories about those who were martyrs. Not soldiers fighting against something.

Also, Jesus was a liberal of his day.
Guadaloop474
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The NT has one thing to say about soldiers,(Luke 3:14) and that is "to be content with your pay"....

The terrorists started this war against America, not us, so all this talk about "pre-emption is meaningless. Joshua took out Jericho pre-emptively anyway, so what's the big deal?
Notafraid
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Romans 13 speaks of God granting “the sword” to the civil governments, for the responsibility of doing good, and punishing evil... I am assuming that protection of innocent citizens is included in that charge they are all given.
NoACDamnit
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73 - my point being you started a thread to call out another denomination's leaders for being against the war.

Did you do the same for the pope?
Guadaloop474
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I was not on this board when the Iraq war started and JPII came out against it. Had I been, I would have posted it also. I would add that now that the war is in progress, the Vatican has been somewhat supportive of the new governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And yes, I disagreed with the Vatican peaceniks coming out against the war at the time, because, in my mind, that means that Saddam and his murdering thugs get to keep on raping, torturing, and mass murdering...Not to mention harboring Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas.
Guadaloop474
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I was not on this board when the Iraq war started and JPII came out against it. Had I been, I would have posted it also. I would add that now that the war is in progress, the Vatican has been somewhat supportive of the new governments in Afghanistan and Iraq.

And yes, I disagreed with the Vatican peaceniks coming out against the war at the time, because, in my mind, that means that Saddam and his murdering thugs get to keep on raping, torturing, and mass murdering...Not to mention harboring Abu Nidal and Abu Abbas.
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