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29% of RCs & 23% of OXs attend religious services "at least once a week.

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Do orthobros spend more time talking trash on the internet than going to church?

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There is certainly a divide along the cultural and the converted lines.

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AgLiving06 said:

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Captain Pablo said:

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29% of RCs & 23% of OXs attend religious services "at least once a week.

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Do orthobros spend more time talking trash on the internet than going to church?

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I'll say this.

It has been years, but I've met at least 2 EO from this board in person. Both are great and genuine believers.

I've also been to several EO churches in Houston.

There is certainly a divide along the cultural and the converted lines.

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Law Of The Quad said:

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After years of Evangelical putting their members back under the law, it seems logical to join a more consistent corner of the faith that agrees. The idea that yes Jesus forgave you, now take your second chance and behave so that you don't get stuck in Purgatory, or go home an do this or that so that your sins are forgiven, make sense to works plus.

Once Protestants teach the same grace plus theology you get these results.

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10andBOUNCE said:

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I don't have time to make this a research project but Pew Research indicates that Christians are leaving BOTH Catholic and Protestant traditions faster than those joining. This is the real problem.

Furthermore, Pew also indicates that in general, more Catholic brethren leave for Protestant circles that the other way around. I hear that is because they actually have access to the Bible rather than just the fathers

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As a Catholic that was a former Protestant convert from cradle- Catholicism, I can say that evangelical churches can be a breath of fresh air, in a sense, for cradle Catholics as it really simplifies the faith. Just read your bible was easy for me to wrap my head around. I eventually found it lacking, but it served an importanrt role in my life. But I only went that way because my Catholic upbringing had convicted me that God was real.

Unfortunately alot of evangelical types leave Christianity altogether because of the rigid biblical literalism that some branches teach. As a Catholic, the concept of evolution, or eternal hell or any number never shook my faith because of the way the Church teaches on thos topics, and I am grateful for that. For many fundamentalists, these are earth shattering issues. Most of these types went atheist when they left their churches. The rise in those leaving going to the Catholic or EO church instead of atheist is aided by the increase in access to church history, for which I'm extra grateful.

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10andBOUNCE said:

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2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

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"As Protestantism disappears..." https://t.co/NFHA7f87Ul pic.twitter.com/oZT3rmLPXV

— Colin J. Smothers (@colinsmo) February 10, 2026

UTExan said:

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From Wiki:
" Since the 1960s, Pentecostalism has increasingly gained acceptance from other Christian traditions, and Pentecostal beliefs concerning the baptism of the Holy Spirit and spiritual gifts have been embraced by non-Pentecostal Christians in Protestant and Catholic churches through their adherence to the Charismatic movement. Together, worldwide Pentecostal and Charismatic Christianity numbers over 644 million adherents.[16] While the movement originally attracted mostly lower classes in the global South, there is a new appeal to middle classes.[17][18][19] Middle-class congregations tend to have fewer members.[20][21][22] Pentecostalism is believed to be the fastest-growing religious movement in the world.[23].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

From 1900 at the inception of Pentecostal-Charismatic Christianity in Kansas in the US heartland, some 640 million plus adherents. There are charismatic Catholics, Methodists and Baptists. And they don't just increase by procreation either.

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KingofHazor said:

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UTExan said:

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From Wiki:
" Since the 1960s, Pentecostalism has increasingly gained acceptance from other Christian traditions, and Pentecostal beliefs concerning the baptism of the Holy Spirit and spiritual gifts have been embraced by non-Pentecostal Christians in Protestant and Catholic churches through their adherence to the Charismatic movement. Together, worldwide Pentecostal and Charismatic Christianity numbers over 644 million adherents.[16] While the movement originally attracted mostly lower classes in the global South, there is a new appeal to middle classes.[17][18][19] Middle-class congregations tend to have fewer members.[20][21][22] Pentecostalism is believed to be the fastest-growing religious movement in the world.[23].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

From 1900 at the inception of Pentecostal-Charismatic Christianity in Kansas in the US heartland, some 640 million plus adherents. There are charismatic Catholics, Methodists and Baptists. And they don't just increase by procreation either.

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I've been very interested in and open to Pentecostalism but haven't been able to find any real-world evidence to substantiate its claims. In fact, all my efforts to investigate it have led to dead ends, at best, and outright false claims, at worst.

I attended a Southern Baptist church in Albuquerque back in the 80s that was pastored by a guy from a Pentecostal background from South Africa, of all things. While not rejecting Pentecostalism, he stated that he had prayed constantly for receipt of the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit but had never received them. That has been my experience as well.

I'd love your response to and thoughts on my comments.

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Maximus Johnson said:

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10andBOUNCE said:

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I don't have time to make this a research project but Pew Research indicates that Christians are leaving BOTH Catholic and Protestant traditions faster than those joining. This is the real problem.

Furthermore, Pew also indicates that in general, more Catholic brethren leave for Protestant circles that the other way around. I hear that is because they actually have access to the Bible rather than just the fathers

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As a Catholic that was a former Protestant convert from cradle- Catholicism, I can say that evangelical churches can be a breath of fresh air, in a sense, for cradle Catholics as it really simplifies the faith. Just read your bible was easy for me to wrap my head around. I eventually found it lacking, but it served an importanrt role in my life. But I only went that way because my Catholic upbringing had convicted me that God was real.

Unfortunately alot of evangelical types leave Christianity altogether because of the rigid biblical literalism that some branches teach. As a Catholic, the concept of evolution, or eternal hell or any number never shook my faith because of the way the Church teaches on thos topics, and I am grateful for that. For many fundamentalists, these are earth shattering issues. Most of these types went atheist when they left their churches. The rise in those leaving going to the Catholic or EO church instead of atheist is aided by the increase in access to church history, for which I'm extra grateful.

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I really struggle with the bolded part. If the bible is the sovereign word of God how could it be lacking in any way? And if it is lacking you would be relying on man in some way to make your faith whole, which the bible tells us all man has been and will continue to be sinful by nature.

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Severian the Torturer said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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Severian the Torturer said:

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AgLiving06 said:

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10andBOUNCE said:

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I don't have time to make this a research project but Pew Research indicates that Christians are leaving BOTH Catholic and Protestant traditions faster than those joining. This is the real problem.

Furthermore, Pew also indicates that in general, more Catholic brethren leave for Protestant circles that the other way around. I hear that is because they actually have access to the Bible rather than just the fathers

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Javier Perdomo did a look at this exact thing as part of a substack:

Are Protestants becoming Roman Catholic: Are Protestants Mass-Converting to Roman Catholicism?

Religious practices: Who is More Devout: Roman Catholics, Orthodox, or Protestants?


Two long reads, but you are correct. Rome is losing many more people to Protestant groups than Protestants joining Rome.

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Yes, I would agree.

Respectfully, we're getting your best and brightest, and you're getting our guys looking for a great coffee shop and a place the kids like to go to.

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No better example of someone who didn't read the links.

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Sorry I'm not going to be swayed by the substack of one *checks notes* Javier Perdomo

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Zobel said:

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Character from one of the greatest sci fi books of all time

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Thaddeus73 said:

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I have a protestant friend who says I shouldn't do good works. Why? Because then I could boast about them. I explained to him that in the Catholic Church, Jesus is the vine and we are His branches, so the good works I do are really Jesus working through me. He still said I shouldn't do them.

I was reminded of the words of Jesus...John 10:32
Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?"

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Maximus Johnson said:

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I am getting baptized this Sunday after a year plus of following Jesus. My life has completely changed in a year. I no longer desire most of the things I used to and now has a burning desire to know Jesus more.

My wife and I's path through salvation together has deepened our relationship to a level I did not think it could ever get to and will change my family tree forever

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Thaddeus73 said:

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I have a protestant friend who says I shouldn't do good works. Why? Because then I could boast about them. I explained to him that in the Catholic Church, Jesus is the vine and we are His branches, so the good works I do are really Jesus working through me. He still said I shouldn't do them.

I was reminded of the words of Jesus...John 10:32
Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?"

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I don't actually believe this story. You seemingly have unending "protestant friends" for every example you want to make to show whatever strawman you want to make about Protestantism.

But, lets see what Luther says. He in fact coined the term "anti-nomianism" which was the very view that if I have faith, then I I don't have to do good works:

Antinomianism - Wikipedia

Luther in his preface to Romans:

" a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn't stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever ... Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire!"

The issue that I see most often is that Rome either willfully or not misunderstands the entire argument.

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AgLiving06 said:

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Thaddeus73 said:

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I have a protestant friend who says I shouldn't do good works. Why? Because then I could boast about them. I explained to him that in the Catholic Church, Jesus is the vine and we are His branches, so the good works I do are really Jesus working through me. He still said I shouldn't do them.

I was reminded of the words of Jesus...John 10:32
Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of these do you stone me?"

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I don't actually believe this story. You seemingly have unending "protestant friends" for every example you want to make to show whatever strawman you want to make about Protestantism.

But, lets see what Luther says. He in fact coined the term "anti-nomianism" which was the very view that if I have faith, then I I don't have to do good works:

Antinomianism - Wikipedia

Luther in his preface to Romans:

" a living, creative, active and powerful thing, this faith. Faith cannot help doing good works constantly. It doesn't stop to ask if good works ought to be done, but before anyone asks, it already has done them and continues to do them without ceasing. Anyone who does not do good works in this manner is an unbeliever ... Thus, it is just as impossible to separate faith and works as it is to separate heat and light from fire!"

The issue that I see most often is that Rome either willfully or not misunderstands the entire argument.

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I don't actually believe this story.

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KingofHazor said:

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There are lots of wacko teachers and leaders in Protestantism, but they don't define Protestantism. There are lots of wacko teachers and leaders in the RC church, as well. I see that Notre Dame has an incoming Board member who is aggressively pro-choice and even more aggressively anti-life. Recent Popes have done and said things that most RCC on this Board have disagreed with. I've heard many RCC priests teach that our salvation is dependent on our works, leaving faith and God's grace and mercy completely out of the equation.

Protestantism is not simply "a person and their Bible." The Protestantism that I grew up within took seriously church traditions and the teachings of others. There is lots in the Bible that I don't understand or don't understand completely. For those issues, I look to those more learned and with more spiritual wisdom than I possess. But, ultimately, it is the responsibility of each of us to decide what we believe and whom we follow.

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