In the spirit of Catholics and Protestants disagreeing

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The Banned
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Here is a decent interview where two men with opposing views are finding ways to move the ball forward a bit in understanding one another. Neither side changes their views, but there is more clarity provided on how would can find places to agree. Primary topics are faith alone/justification, sanctification and a nod at purgatory.

It's clear the Christ wanted for believers to stay unified. Hopefully through prayer, discernment and understanding the other side, that may happen again.

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Interesting how two guys can switch sides like that. I know it happens all the time.

The host and my parents are very alike. They both went through Catholic school in Chicago and from their anecdotal experience, never once heard the gospel presented.

I have always been interested in the indulgences part of the reformation after reading about Tetzel, I but didn't come away with much more clarity after that.

Was worth the listen. Thanks for sharing.
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10andBOUNCE said:

Interesting how two guys can switch sides like that. I know it happens all the time.

The host and my parents are very alike. They both went through Catholic school in Chicago and from their anecdotal experience, never once heard the gospel presented.

I have always been interested in the indulgences part of the reformation after reading about Tetzel, I but didn't come away with much more clarity after that.

Was worth the listen. Thanks for sharing.


Glad you enjoyed.

To give a brief rephrasing of indulgences without getting too deep: indulgences are basically making purgatory less "purging" by truly acknowledging our wrong doing while here on earth and repenting more fully. It's saying that we have less "purging" to do of our sinful proclivities after we die.

As jimmy eludes to, there are different opinions on what purgatory looks like. Because God is outside of time, our language of "how long" you are in purgatory or "how much" purging is needed is not perfectly defined, and the idea of indulgences being granted are eluding to the binding and loosing passages.

He also makes it clear that people can not "buy forgiveness". The fact that some priests used it that way (illicitly) was something Luther got right.

ETA: I grew up Catholic and left for over 10 years after hearing a Baptist pastor preach. No doubt most priests can do 1000X better. I had to come to grips with the fact that bad preaching =\= bad theology.

ETA: to be fair to father Jerry, I probably didn't do a very good job of paying attention to the times he did talk about Grace. As young boy and teenager I was much more focused on "tell me what not to do and I won't do it" then listening to how some guy named Jesus loved me. That was a personal weakness.
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I think we can find common ground in the fact both sides have some pockets that are very deficient in rich teaching. It makes me sick to my stomach watching some of these clips from Protestant mega churches. A lot of damage done to say the least.
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Here is a decent interview where two men with opposing views are finding ways to move the ball forward a bit in understanding one another. Neither side changes their views, but there is more clarity provided on how would can find places to agree.
That's encouraging. One of the most frustrating thing about being Christian is how we completely cut ourselves off from other Christians with slightly different theology. Every branch of Christianity suffers this, from the Catholics and Orthodox disagreeing over the filoque to the local baptist church splitting for the fourth time in 10 years due to disagreements about the end times. I'd take love, honesty, and cooperation over a theological litmus test any day of the week
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